Free energy from the Vacuum.

[mire]

Hi all I had joined to share, and advance my research here. To give it freely without compensation.

I want the experimenters of this forum to give feed back for me, and help me advance the technology i have rediscovered.

Special thanks to Tomas Bearden for his research and documents.

I will start it off with a link to the first experiments with the negative energy from a ion generator.

Experiment Free Energy The 'Free This Energy Circuit' configurations - YouTube

please also read my research on lifter technology..
I will however answer questions, and help anyone reproduce these effects.

More info can be found if you follow the link on my youtube channel.

Thanks all, looking forward to interested experimenters reproductions, and advancements.

[wayne.ct]

You are brave

Hey Mire. I watched your video. Best of luck with your experiments, but even more so with your learning and education. Cause you are going to need it. It is not a good idea to poke around electricity with one hand grounded and the other hand in the middle of your experiment. The current can go right through your chest and stop your heart. Keep your body insulated and only allow the "experiment" to send a current through your hand, perhaps from your pinkie to your thumb. Of course, you can lose your hand that way, but at least you will live to tell about it. Ha Ha Ha.

This is an extreme sport, so at least give a little thought to safety.

[mire]

Hey Mire. I watched your video. Best of luck with your experiments, but even more so with your learning and education. Cause you are going to need it. It is not a good idea to poke around electricity with one hand grounded and the other hand in the middle of your experiment. The current can go right through your chest and stop your heart. Keep your body insulated and only allow the "experiment" to send a current through your hand, perhaps from your pinkie to your thumb. Of course, you can lose your hand that way, but at least you will live to tell about it. Ha Ha Ha.

This is an extreme sport, so at least give a little thought to safety.

Hi thanks for the feedback.
I do have a question, were did i have my hand grounded? I am happy for your concerns also, because if i manage to get more energy. i wont be touching it any more . there is a magnetic component there? yes it gives a faster movement of the energy, and a magnetic like pressure. It shocked but not so bad, not more then 20 to 25 kv. I would think its more about the emf finding a faster gate to ground i guess?



I know its not allot of energy there only 7.5 kv.

[mire]

The "Free This Energy Circuit" Part 1 - YouTube

part 2 includes how to charge off the secondary.

lack of interest, not sure why? any one have information to share? thanks.

I thought this would be a great forum to include these experiments.

only one response?

[altrez]

Hello mire and welcome!

Interesting expirement but please don't use both hands to point at such close proximity to a live circuit. It can kill you very quickly with just a simple touch.

-Altrez

[LetsReplicate]

The "Free This Energy Circuit" Part 1 - YouTube

part 2 includes how to charge off the secondary.

lack of interest, not sure why? any one have information to share? thanks.

I thought this would be a great forum to include these experiments.

only one response?

I'm not trying to be overly harsh here, but where does the "free energy" come in?

It looks to me like your ion generator is connected to mains power. The ion generator is a transformer that steps up the voltage in exchange for current. That means all your energy is coming out of the wall.

Interesting expirement but please don't use both hands to point at such close proximity to a live circuit. It can kill you very quickly with just a simple touch.

-Altrez

It takes approximately 90mA of current passing directly through the heart to seize it. Standard specs for a 7.5kV ion generator indicate that they put out less than 0.5mA.

I've been shocked plenty of times by 120V mains power, even crossing my chest and it has never been much of a problem either, the likelihood of enough current passing directly through the heart of an adult is fairly low. That doesn't mean you should go shocking yourself intentionally, but it's not very life threatening. The "one hand behind the back" rule most applies to high power applications which require both a fairly high current and voltage.

[altrez]

I'm not trying to be overly harsh here, but where does the "free energy" come in?

It looks to me like your ion generator is connected to mains power. The ion generator is a transformer that steps up the voltage in exchange for current. That means all your energy is coming out of the wall.


It takes approximately 90mA of current passing directly through the heart to seize it. Standard specs for a 7.5kV ion generator indicate that they put out less than 0.5mA.

I've been shocked plenty of times by 120V mains power, even crossing my chest and it has never been much of a problem either, the likelihood of enough current passing directly through the heart of an adult is fairly low. That doesn't mean you should go shocking yourself intentionally, but it's not very life threatening. The "one hand behind the back" rule most applies to high power applications which require both a fairly high current and voltage.

LetsReplicate,

You can easily be killed by the output from a ion generator. It only takes once and you get no second chances.

Can you please tell me what 7.5 KV with an output of 0.5ma is when it meets the resistance of the body?

-Altrez

[mire]

Hi, i thank you guys for pointing the danger out, yes its never a good idea to touch a circuit.
Here is an explanation to you what is going on.

If you want to se the specs on the output its from electronic goldmine.

the company that makes the generator is seawise unlimited.
the ion generator i buy 2 for 10 bucks. Its made in a way that if you touch it, it will suppress the energy so you don't get shocked badly.

the way i understand this devise is it take ac current and changes it to dc.
7.5 KV at 60 HZ the amps is not rated.

it produces an ion wind, and negative ions to piggyback on dust particles to make the dust and smoke fall to the ground, or be attracted near the points, or the plates.

A spark you make from rubbing your feet is about 10 to 20 kv. This is a static charge, and it is kinetic energy like Tesla stated.

If it takes 10 to 20 KV to make a spark jump, you can see that 7.5 kv is less than the energy required to do that.

the extra 7.5 kv comes in as positive energy. I make 7.5 neg, and than 7.5 comes in. The output should only double. and its a spark like on a dry day.

if i ground the plate, all energy stops and the plate become a neutral charge. meaning it has no charge if i touch it and ground it at the same time.

My body acts as the ground when i touch it. so the spark will jump to my finger. No amps, or very little amps are there.

The theory is provided if you follow the link to rwg. This is following along the study, and work of doctor Townsend Brown. Anti Gravity devise.

Any one have anymore questions, or input i will expand on this.

[LetsReplicate]

LetsReplicate,

You can easily be killed by the output from a ion generator. It only takes once and you get no second changes.

Can you please tell me what 7.5 KV with an output of 0.5ma is when it meets the resistance of the body?

-Altrez

Blood and wet skin have about 3k resistance and increases at distance increases, and dry skin has around 20k resistance. Current takes the path of least resistance causing it spread through the entire body. Since the current needs to travel through the arms from the hands to reach the heart, and the current spreads out in the chest. That means the current MOSTLY goes AROUND the heart and not through it depending on where the shock is initiated from.

"Can you please tell me what 7.5 KV with an output of 0.5ma is when it meets the resistance of the body?" Trick question: it will be LESS THAN 0.5mA across the body because the current is limited by the supply and the 0.5mA is with the output SHORTED (0 resistance), so not deadly but will hurt like hell. Ever been shocked by an electric fence? Those are 22kV+ but have a low current so they can't kill. Ever slid your feet across a carpet and shocked someone? That's a few kV too. CURRENT kills, voltage doesn't.

As I said, I've been shocked many, times. As long as you're aware of what's going on, it it not likely to kill you. Even if you put you arms across mains power the "tingling" does not extend passed the elbow, that is due to the current spreading out. Again, that doesn't mean you should go do it or anything like that because getting socked can cause nerve damage near the contact point, but it is NOT LIKELY to kill you.

Electricity is not the enemy, there is no reason to fear it if you treat it with respect.

[altrez]

Blood and wet skin have about 3k resistance and increases at distance increases, and dry skin has around 20k resistance. Current takes the path of least resistance causing it spread through the entire body. Since the current needs to travel through the arms from the hands to reach the heart, and the current spreads out in the chest. That means the current MOSTLY goes AROUND the heart and not through it depending on where the shock is initiated from.

"Can you please tell me what 7.5 KV with an output of 0.5ma is when it meets the resistance of the body?" Trick question: it will be LESS THAN 0.5mA across the body because the current is limited by the supply and the 0.5mA is with the output SHORTED (0 resistance), so not deadly but will hurt like hell. Ever been shocked by an electric fence? Those are 22kV+ but have a low current so they can't kill. Ever slid your feet across a carpet and shocked someone? That's a few kV too. CURRENT kills, voltage doesn't.

As I said, I've been shocked many, times. As long as you're aware of what's going on, it it not likely to kill you. Even if you put you arms across mains power the "tingling" does not extend passed the elbow, that is due to the current spreading out. Again, that doesn't mean you should go do it or anything like that because getting socked can cause nerve damage near the contact point, but it is NOT LIKELY to kill you.

Electricity is not the enemy, there is no reason to fear it if you treat it with respect.

Can you please tell me the output of his ion generator?

120VAC (7.5kV Output) Negative Ion Generator-The Electronic Goldmine

If it has an output of .5ma at 7.5 KV then your measurements are incorrect. It takes only 17 ma's to put the heart in defib.

-Altrez

[altrez]

This is my last post on this topic as I do not want to hijack this thread.

Ohm's Law (again!) : ELECTRICAL SAFETY

From the EG Website 120VAC (7.5kV Output) Negative Ion Generator:

Please use extreme caution when working with this and do not purchase this if you are not knowledgeable of high voltage safety precautions.

Please be careful!



-Altrez

[shawnnweed]

ion generation

I have been studying ion generation for a couple of days by reading articles and watching experiments on you tube. However, most of the videos have been on creating thrust. I'm not exactly sure what your objective is? It's kinda like building a road to nowhere...it never gets built. You have to have an objective other than...make it stronger. However, on a general priciple, more energy in equals more energy out. If you increase your voltage you might get a higher output. Also surface makes a difference. I noticed in one video that an ion generator was having difficulty maintaining altitude until they placed a sheet of aluminum foil beneath it in substitute of the desktop. However, it made an extremely noticable difference. So my intial suggestions would be these two things; higher voltage and larger surface area of aluminum. And please listen to these people when they talk about safety. Most of these people have an active interrest in Tesla coils, which are extremely high voltage and they are still alive to talk about it.
,Shawn

[LetsReplicate]

Can you please tell me the output of his ion generator?

120VAC (7.5kV Output) Negative Ion Generator-The Electronic Goldmine

If it has an output of .5ma at 7.5 KV then your measurements are incorrect. It takes only 17 ma's to put the heart in defib.

-Altrez

The 0.5mA (was actually 400uA, but I rounded up) was from the specification off a 7.5kV ion generator that runs on a DC supply instead of AC. It has a 555 timer in it then steps up the voltage though a flyback and rectifies it. The 7.5kV is against an "open circuit" (no current), and the 0.5mA is with the output shorted (0 volts). There is not enough current kill you.

This ion generator is probably just a flyback with a rectifier but functions exactly the same because the current is being limited by the flyback. The secondary of a flyback needs many, many turns to step the voltage up that high, and usually have a small gauge wire which results in a high coil resistance that limits current output. There is not ANYWHERE NEAR enough current here to stop your heart unless you literally touch the wires to a beating heart at exactly the wrong time.

The amount of current required varies with how and when it hits the heart, and what the wave looks like. DC does not send the heart into ventricular fibrillation, only "pauses" (seizes) the heating until the current is removed (in the case of a fast shock, that doesn't kill, only causes burns). AC with enough current CAN force the muscles to contact out of normal time (ventricular fibrillation) depending on frequency.

It's is more complicated than simple ohm's law but to quote your own source:

Possible heart fibrillation after 3 seconds:
Men = 500 mA DC; 100 mA 60hz AC
Women = 500 mA DC; 100 mA 60hz AC

Again, that is DIRECTLY THROUGH THE HEART, not the current running "from hand to hand". There are plenty of images of Tesla "shooting lightning from his fingertips", this required him to be electrified with high voltage and it didn't kill him. Be careful, but don't be afraid: fear causes more deadly mistakes than electricity does.

This is a static charge, and it is kinetic energy like Tesla stated.

Ion generators make "static electricity", which requires a large resistance to ground. The arc is kinetic energy due to the neutralization, the static field is not. By definition static is a non-moving. Kinetic energy with reference to electricity means that it has electrical current (dynamic electricity).

Electrostatic induction causes the dust, smoke and air particles to become negatively charged which pushes them away from the high voltage negative charge. This ion wind is your negative charge bleeding off. Electrostatic induction can also be used generate a positive charge, but that positive charge is still derived from the negative voltage. It is still the mains power making it happen.

If it takes 10 to 20 KV to make a spark jump, you can see that 7.5 kv is less than the energy required to do that.

The air is being ionized which is reducing required energy for the arc to happen. 10 to 20kV is based on a quick pulse (instantaneous arc) that doesn't allow time for static field to collect (like a spark plug). The fact that arcs are occurring doesn't mean that there is an energy gain.

The theory is provided if you follow the link to rwg. This is following along the study, and work of doctor Townsend Brown. Anti Gravity devise

I'm well aware of Brown's work and the Biefeld-Brown effect: it is not anti-gravity. It is a controlled ion wind that "blows" in all directions except toward the smaller plate resulting in a thrust force (like "lift" on a wing) in the direction of the smaller plate. The B-2 bomber flies by using this thrust force and rumor has it that the X-1 space plane will probably use it too.

[mire]

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I have been studying ion generation for a couple of days by reading articles and watching experiments on you tube. However, most of the videos have been on creating thrust. I'm not exactly sure what your objective is? It's kinda like building a road to nowhere...it never gets built. You have to have an objective other than...make it stronger. However, on a general priciple, more energy in equals more energy out. If you increase your voltage you might get a higher output. Also surface makes a difference. I noticed in one video that an ion generator was having difficulty maintaining altitude until they placed a sheet of aluminum foil beneath it in substitute of the desktop. However, it made an extremely noticable difference. So my intial suggestions would be these two things; higher voltage and larger surface area of aluminum. And please listen to these people when they talk about safety. Most of these people have an active interrest in Tesla coils, which are extremely high voltage and they are still alive to talk about it.
,Shawn
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this is a interesting point. Tesla had given the design for the anti gravity craft in one of his books.

as far as increasing voltage yes that will cause a change in inertia.
there is a equal and opposite reaction. thats how the capacitor is charged.Negative Potential, Free Energy Source, Dipole Moment. - YouTube

part 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwF5n67yjx8&list=UUW-aecm5xvksB-Pk8Xyb_Nw&index=13&feature=plcp

[boguslaw]

mire

If you really want to help please provide schematics of your experiments.
All I can say is that you found one of very important tips to OU, clearly shown in Tesla radiant energy patent.We can charge capacitor electrostatically from ground but it is tricky and we have to find the best method , method used by Don Smith and Kapanadze.
As you see I'm trying to help while my ability to construct anything is very limited (due to health and other problems), but please listen.

Here is the way it has to work : electrostatic induction - YouTube , look especially around 5 minute and further.

The main issue is the attracted charge (not electrons I think but it's different story) from ground would immediately dissipate to ground I think when we have not properly tuned device : vide video and the sequence of connecting /disconnecting ground and positive rod. Because you can do something similiar with your negative ion generator it puzzles me how?