Free energy from the Vacuum.

[boguslaw]

It is interesting that despite displacement current being small in most situations , current theory of electromagnetism require/explain that capacitor recreate inside the same amount of energy in form of displacement current as a counteract for energy flowing in closed circuit via electric current.
At least that I understand.

Displacement Current Theory - YouTube
Displacement Current Example 1 Part 2 - YouTube

What if we reverse situation and charge capacitor from displacement current then connecting it to close electric current ?

[mire]

Hi Mire,

Good YouTube video in Boguslaw link. I agree with all it shows.

Re your question 3 in the penultimate post - no I do not agree with you.
There is but one fundamental nature to all charges, whether positive or negative, they both have identical formation and this relates to a mathematical imbalance in the quantity of electrons retained, for whatever reason.

A spark is a breakdown of air due to excess charge differential, though the breakdown of air can be modified by alteration in ambient circumstance.

Is there some point you are wanting to communicate which I have failed to appreciate ?
Surely, if the isolated secondary charge is externally replenished then it does not matter whether you take all of it or just a fraction of it ?

But either way - this is a corollary of the magnetic field within a magnet - for in neither case can power be generated without externally induced cycling or alternation.

Interesting, so you agree at least with question one, and two?


the ion generator is generating a potential charge. It is basically a metered system. because it takes X amount of energy to turn it on.

question 1. Do you agree with that?

if a charge is near a metal conductor, the charge will also flow into that conductor. Simple? there need not be any more energy to cause this, only what is available or what is being produced.

Question 2 Do you agree X amount of energy is produced, and is metered by the design of the ion generator circuit internals?

Question 3 is fundamental. A battery has two poles? In the link provided we see we have determined two types of charges are real. They may be made by the same source dipole pos, or neg types, but thats another story. In other words dipole means two poles of polarity. vitreous, and resinous. Electric Fields

In the movie you saw i said go to one minute, note the pipe to earth ground, all the energy bleeds to ground and the pipe become a zero net charge. This is true if i ground the primary, but i do not ground the primary. I also take some electrons and move them from place to place. the PDF file explains that. http://jh399.k12.sd.us/DailyAssign/P...staticelec.pdf

That much is clear?

I will point out what is observed from the Tomas Bearden article I posted later, he explained things very well. Do you agree with any of that?

As for the induced cycling you explained "in neither case can power be generated without externally induced cycling or alternation." some alternation is needed, but trapped energy is held in the conductor Bearden states in the article mentioned above. Alternation is caused by the spark crossing the gap. the reason for this is the primary conductor still holds the furnished charge, and we do not ground. In the movie below is this not a cycling or alternation?
freethisone's Channel - YouTube



what we have done is trap the energy like he said. We will go into this later, and i will again state some interesting observations based on his examples.

You said "Surely, if the isolated secondary charge is externally replenished then it does not matter whether you take all of it or just a fraction of it ?"

Did I really take away from the charge provided X amount of furnished charge? or was the charge, and its potential energy always there?
I go back to question one or two. You did not dispute this?

Lets see were this takes us, and post another question or two.

cheers

[GSM]

Hi Boguslaw,

Is it not the case that attempting to use displacement current incurs additional loss due to unavoidable component inefficiencies.

Hi Mire,

Quick reply - will check back later.

I think it likely I could answer yes to your questions, but you are discussing 'static' potentials in a static situation.

However, as soon as you introduce change your components will become dynamically activated and thus can no longer be considered as representing insulated structures because they will be reactively coupled and have mutual impedance resulting in phase shifted current drain from the original source.

[boguslaw]

Hi Boguslaw,

Is it not the case that attempting to use displacement current incurs additional loss due to unavoidable component inefficiencies.

Sorry, I don't understand this sentence

[GSM]

Hi Mire,

I do not know the situation in that YouTube video, and I do not understand what you are suggesting.

Looks like the guy has a typical low direct current high voltage generator and he is using his body via a conductor to draw an arc = current flow = replenished by the generator. Anything beyond that is neither demonstrated nor stated.
Microamps at 20kV = milliamps at 20V, but the arc is photonically radiating too, so some input metering SHOULD have be shown !

Actually I am distinctly at odds with some things Tom Beardon states in the last link you provided for his writings. And 'oh boy' doesn't he know how to charge for his books !

However I am reading his text to check whether his ideology is as like calculus, in that there may be a need to travel his path in order to arrive at a desired destination.

Thing is, a basis beyond something I consider to be an unproven Physics Fundamental makes it as hard to follow his reasoning as do some of the other conventional scientific constructs presently holding sway, and I do not yet find his writing to be sound enough to use as a basis for any understanding.

If Tom was correct in 1993, then why does the World not already have 'Free Energy' ?

Those who have acheived excess output in the past have, as far as I can interpret, always used either a radioactive substance, or induced electron level shifts so vigorous that they have induced transmutation of a core or coil nucleus.

Hi Boguslaw.

Utilising displacement, must incur both input and output losses of all circuit components involved in same.

[mire]

experiment

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what i would do is buy this battery operated neg ion generator.

then it would be easy to test output vs input. the time the battery drains vs. how much energy can be stored in a capacitor, or used as work.

Time vs energy drain. time vs stored energy. adding all the numbers will prove beyond a doubt the possible uses for such a device.

here is a simple way to do a test.

1. charge battery to 12 v, use ion gen for a time long enough to drain 2 volts energy from the battery.

2. now you have a time energy is dissipating 2 volts.

3. hook up a primary and secondary conductor like i have done.

4. test drain time of 2 volts using a primary conducting plate.

5. we now have comparison to work with.

6. add capacitors to obtain the 2 volts drained from the battery, and take the time again for the drain to occur of 2 volts.

7. this will enable you to make real world testing, and real world calculations of charge, vs discharge, vs stored energy, vs time.

[Dave45]

you can get neg ion gen from air purifier, thrift stores are a good cheap source for alot of things

[mire]

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what i would do is buy this battery operated neg ion generator.

then it would be easy to test output vs input. the time the battery drains vs. how much energy can be stored in a capacitor, or used as work.

Time vs energy drain. time vs stored energy. adding all the numbers will prove beyond a doubt the possible uses for such a device.

here is a simple way to do a test.

1. charge battery to 12 v, use ion gen for a time long enough to drain 2 volts energy from the battery.

2. now you have a time energy is dissipating 2 volts.

3. hook up a primary and secondary conductor like i have done.

4. test drain time of 2 volts using a primary conducting plate.

5. we now have comparison to work with.

6. add capacitors to obtain the 2 volts drained from the battery, and take the time again for the drain to occur of 2 volts.

7. this will enable you to make real world testing, and real world calculations of charge, vs discharge, vs stored energy, vs time.

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The device is now on order. I propose all the skeptics using outdated theory to make predictions according to the experiments I will be running as designed above..

My first prediction, it will run longer, produce more secondary energy from the 2 volts required to prove theory as stated above.

Bi field brown effect.

The 2 volts will charge 200 SAE capacitors with ease, releasing over 200 volts of energy in an instant.
charge multiple caps, and run oscillator at the same time.
Stored energy from use of 2 volts excess energy from 12 volt battery will be very, very high.

Any thing modern day science has to say to the contrary?

cheers

[mire]

It is interesting that despite displacement current being small in most situations , current theory of electromagnetism require/explain that capacitor recreate inside the same amount of energy in form of displacement current as a counteract for energy flowing in closed circuit via electric current.
At least that I understand.

Displacement Current Theory - YouTube
Displacement Current Example 1 Part 2 - YouTube

What if we reverse situation and charge capacitor from displacement current then connecting it to close electric current ?

magnetic effect, the pressure of the voltage or current is distributed around any charge. it can be felt as a movement, or a direction of the elastic fluid.

the direction is positive, to negative, and created the spark that has the ability to jump. it first pulls with a magnetic force, then the stress is returned, and repeated.


How do you think these experiments will acquire a excess of usable charge?
By puling in the same elastic charge from its surroundings is my prediction.

adding the correct opposing field to the stress causing a spark.
thats just one interpretation. Will it hold true is the question...

[boguslaw]

magnetic effect, the pressure of the voltage or current is distributed around any charge. it can be felt as a movement, or a direction of the elastic fluid.

the direction is positive, to negative, and created the spark that has the ability to jump. it first pulls with a magnetic force, then the stress is returned, and repeated.


How do you think these experiments will acquire a excess of usable charge?
By puling in the same elastic charge from its surroundings is my prediction.

adding the correct opposing field to the stress causing a spark.
thats just one interpretation. Will it hold true is the question...

Charge must flow from ground connection via protection device (mostly spark gap) to capacitor.I think spark must be silent. If somebody has a few simple tools to experiment with electrostatic induction we could check something. I think there are two kinds of spark (electrostatic), one when positive charged object is discharged to ground and second when negatively charged object is touched to ground connection.
I may be wrong but if one of them is silent then it would be very important info.

[mire]

Tesla patent

Charge must flow from ground connection via protection device (mostly spark gap) to capacitor.I think spark must be silent. If somebody has a few simple tools to experiment with electrostatic induction we could check something. I think there are two kinds of spark (electrostatic), one when positive charged object is discharged to ground and second when negatively charged object is touched to ground connection.
I may be wrong but if one of them is silent then it would be very important info.

Search for Tesla radiant energy device. His description of what is taking place resembles these experiments, and his explanation very, very closely.

here is the link. I was amazed at how he described the use of external charges, such as negative energy to power the device.

the inductive circuit design is also included. Get back to me, and let me know if you agree with his interpretation.



LINK click.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter7.pdf

[boguslaw]

Search for Tesla radiant energy device. His description of what is taking place resembles these experiments, and his explanation very, very closely.

here is the link. I was amazed at how he described the use of external charges, such as negative energy to power the device.

the inductive circuit design is also included. Get back to me, and let me know if you agree with his interpretation.



LINK click.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter7.pdf

Of course.I know it.There is one problem however.Synchronization.That patent is viable only if you have stable positive electrostatic on elevated capacitance. If you have not, then when positive is null, negative return back to ground. This can be avoid by protection device and synchronizing of discharging mechanism.

The sequence must be preserved in any case exactly like in electrostatic induction video in my humble opinion.

[phoneboy]

@ boguslaw in ref to your 1st post, for utilzation of displacement current see PJK book under Utkin and ref Mislavskij. The yolk device used that principle.

[mire]

@ boguslaw in ref to your 1st post, for utilzation of displacement current see PJK book under Utkin and ref Mislavskij. The yolk device used that principle.

could you post a link please?

bogus, the negative energy from ground is not what you think.
at least in this case, because i am not using a true earth ground.
the capacitor charges internally. not from both ends. pos, neg energy. if this was the case i could charge an electrolytic cap, but at this point i cant.
Tesla suggest to us, use his capacitor that he has designed, and patent..

the energy flowing through the capacitor, to ground is my take on this.. but I could be..wrong.. Electric displacement, as opposed to conduction..

[phoneboy]

could you post a link please?

bogus, the negative energy from ground is not what you think.
at least in this case, because i am not using a true earth ground.
the capacitor charges internally. not from both ends. pos, neg energy. if this was the case i could charge an electrolytic cap, but at this point i cant.
Tesla suggest to us, use his capacitor that he has designed, and patent..

the energy flowing through the capacitor, to ground is my take on this.. but I could be..wrong.. Electric displacement, as opposed to conduction..

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Check out chapter 5 under electrostatics. If the principle works you can do all kinds of things like charge a cap with a variable magnetic field or create a self oscillator.