Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[BroMikey]

Dog-One Bi-Toroid

Hey Dog-One how about we talk over here?

Attached is the version I'm going to work on. I already have the large core and ordered two more small cores from Bridgeport Magnetics. I went with silicon steel and bigger, hoping to make something run at 60Hz. If it does, I have a perfect M/G looper platform ready to go the next step (mostly for show since it should be loopable electrically).

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Hopefully the material here will get me in the ballpark for number of turns needed:
Coils and transformers


We shall soon see...

[BroMikey]

Reply to DOG-ONE

Here is my reply

Hey Dog-One

Let's see if I can get you down and force you to answer my questioned NOW!!! Nevermind just kidding. I was just foolin.


This video you posted is more like a BI-TOROID isn't it, I think we are in the wrong thread. Well I think so because the SERPS uses a standard transformer and uses circuits to do the phase shifting.

But let's say for a moment that your experiment using the low herz cores qualified as a SERPS? Humm... I don't know.


The auratek bi-toroid transformer uses a simple pulsed DC at low voltage at high frequencies well its not PWM it is just an alternating signal and audio amplifier stages to control freq, current and voltage.

The SERPS is designed to leave all of the standard industrial winding in place and manipulate the phasing to get the same job done as the Bi-Toroid which is "OVERUNITY"

This is my view.

I guess you are thinking on lowering the frequency to 60HZ but to get 600 percent you will need 2000-4000 herz.

In my opinion here is what the Auratek transformer requires to be practical.

First a Battery, next a switchmode power supply running at the targeted and found frequency for THAT transformer.

Next the power at THAT frequency is sent to the BI-Toroid.

After the transformer the quickest answer is a resistive load or a motor winding but if we want to charge batteries we will need to convert again.


So the Auratek is set up to close the loop and charge it's own batteries when the system is at rest.

If this is incorrect in any way correct the errors.

Mike

[Dog-One]

AuroraTek Transformer

Hey Dog-One

Let's see if I can get you down and force you to answer my questioned NOW!!! Nevermind just kidding. I was just foolin.


This video you posted is more like a BI-TOROID isn't it, I think we are in the wrong thread. Well I think so because the SERPS uses a standard transformer and uses circuits to do the phase shifting.

What I can't say for sure yet, but suspect to be true is that this transformer is doing mechanically, what the SERPS does with electrical switching. The primary splits the power to two secondaries which both resonate against each other instead of the primary. It creates a very similar phase angle shift like the SERPS does.

But let's say for a moment that your experiment using the low herz cores qualified as a SERPS? Humm... I don't know.

Low frequency is a factor of the core material and the number of turns on the windings. Bill used a low turn count with core material suited for much higher frequency, so he had no choice. His transformer would have worked very poorly (if at all) at 60 cycles due to core saturation.

The auratek bi-toroid transformer uses a simple pulsed DC at low voltage at high frequencies.

I'm pretty sure Russ mentioned to me that Bill used a simple sine wave signal generator coupled to a standard audio amplifier. So it wasn't pulsed DC at all. It was true sine wave AC. It's quite possible pulsed DC power may work even better.

The SERPS is designed to leave all of the standard industrial winding in place and manipulate the phasing to get the same job done as the Bi-Toroid which is "OVERUNITY"

This is my view.

I think that is correct, yes.

I guess you are thinking on lowering the frequency to 60HZ but to get 600 percent you will need 2000-4000 herz.

I think if the design is sound, it doesn't need trick Metglas cores to work. Using large power silicon steel cores and getting the turn count up high enough to avoid core saturation should result in usable performance at line frequency. That's my thinking yet to be proven.

In my opinion here is what the Auratek transformer requires to be practical.

First a Battery, next a switchmode power supply running at the targeted and found frequency for THAT transformer.

Next the power at THAT frequency is sent to the BI-Toroid.

After the transformer the quickest answer is a resistive load or a motor winding but if we want to charge batteries we will need to convert again.


So the Auratek is set up to close the loop and charge it's own batteries when the system is at rest.

If this is incorrect in any way correct the errors.

Mike

I think Bill intends to do just what he said in the video--drive a signal generator into an audio amp, then into the transformer. From the output of the transformer, rectify and regulate it, then drive the sig-gen and amp. Any leftover power charges batteries.

What I intend to do is take power from an AC generator and feed it into the transformer. From the output of the transformer, drive a motor that turns the generator. This isn't at all for efficiency purposes, this is simply for show-n-tell demonstrations.

If what Bill showed can be repeated on my bench, the generator should see practically no load and maybe even a little negative load if I can get the primary side shifted beyond 90 degrees. If I can do that and still get enough power from the output side of the transformer to run my motor, well... That will be enough to convince me. With all the losses in the motor and the generator and still be able to loop and do a no-cords-attached video... You get the picture.

[Dog-One]

Something to note...

This variation of the Thane Heins transformer uses multiple cores with winding around pairs of cores instead of windings around a single custom core.

I'll be very pleased if this indeed work the same way, because I went through hell and back trying to get a custom core made using silicon steel laminates--it's doable but you will pay dearly to get someone to make them for you as prototypes.

[BroMikey]

MetGlass

This variation of the Thane Heins transformer uses multiple cores with winding around pairs of cores instead of windings around a single custom core.

I'll be very pleased if this indeed work the same way, because I went through hell and back trying to get a custom core made using silicon steel laminates--it's doable but you will pay dearly to get someone to make them for you as prototypes.

Hi Dog-One

I am glad to hear that you are getting and iron core just the way you want it. However metglass it something else and offers a better response at the higher frequencies. As far as I know black sand can be molded using quick set epoxy from the hardware, into any size and shape for pennies.

The iron laminate is a very slow core material, although it may work some.

Was there a reason you decided to leave the metglass design? Maybe metglass is expensive? I have never priced that stuff.

Mike

[Dog-One]

Hi Dog-One

I am glad to hear that you are getting and iron core just the way you want it. However metglass it something else and offers a better response at the higher frequencies. As far as I know black sand can be molded using quick set epoxy from the hardware, into any size and shape for pennies.

The iron laminate is a very slow core material, although it may work some.

Was there a reason you decided to leave the metglass design? Maybe metglass is expensive? I have never priced that stuff.

Mike

I suspect Metglas is pricey and a bit hard to find unless we order in volume. I'm interested in knowing if the material matters or if the concept is universal.

Here's something to take a peek at:

Bi-Toroid: MetGlass Powerlite Cores, Testing For Input Current Drop, Strong Performance Maintained - YouTube

Looks encouraging.

[BroMikey]

Great experimenter

Yeah the metglas experimenter is from Canada I think and does a lot of video.

Magnitite Cores 2 - YouTube

It is good to have people like him show their results rather than having everyone doing the same experiment.

Here is Peter L. talking about using muller core material, best their is.

William,

This method was developed by the late Bill Muller for his motors. Make a frame or mold of the exact size of magnetite core you wish to cast, and line it with a material that will allow you to get the core out after it sets up. Make sure the end plates are made of .125 inch plastic sheet. Mix your magnetite with a slow curing, high temperature resin. Mix as much magnetite into the resin as possible while it is still malleable. Fill the mold and place the end plates on each end, and then place a strong, NEO magnet on EACH SIDE of the mold. The NEO magnets should be at least as large as the magnetite core you are making, and should face each other in the attraction mode, so that all of the particles of magnetite line up, and TOUCH EACH OTHER as the resin sets. This also aligns the magnetic domains in the iron so they are all parallel in the finished core.

Any other method yields very poor results.

When the resin is set (24 hours), the magnetite disc should be able to magnetize up to at least 2500 Gauss and operate with a very narrow hysteresis curve. It will be a complete "non-conductor" so "eddy-currents" will be very low.

Bill Muller used these cores in his motors as a cheap substitute for Metglas Cores. They have many of the same high-speed switching characteristics, but their magnetic permeability is much lower.

That is it. No more questions. Good luck.

Peter

[tturner]

So is there a success yet of ou

[BroMikey]

Success

So is there a success yet of ou

Watch this video and YOU tell us if the bi-toroid is a success.

AuroraTek demonstion tesla tech 2014 overunity? (Russ's View) - YouTube





Tell us what you think. Maybe he is hiding a watch battery somewhere? NAW!!


Mike

[tturner]

wow

Ive been away from this thread glad to see you guys made some progress would this be physics or electrical engineering feats

[BroMikey]

Auroratek Transformer specs

Here are a few specs for your consideration. All of the old-timers in their late 20's and 30's should have O.U. by this evenings experiment.

I give you the Auroratek Bi-Toroid Transformer pictures that show the real deal through experimentation.

Just like tying your shoes




Note: The two large windings are the secondaries Plural.

Note: The small winding is the primary where the source feeds into called the input.

There is a signal generator that runs the amplifier stage as Russ calls it that makes a few watts at a set frequency.

The load is a large resistor of 25 OHMS.

The transformer runs at room temp.






The secondaries are suppose to be the same from what I understand?Yet one is 122mh and the other is 120mh. One is 15ohms the other 17ohms?


I wonder why there is more feet of winding on one side?





Now comes the fun. Free Energy















This guy is my age and he knows his time is short so he is giving you young men the answer now so he is not the only target.


Mike

[Bob Smith]

Hey Mike
Nice post. Sure drew a lot of detractors when it went up on another forum .
I took down what Bill Alek said about the transformer (in the video) and added a quote from Stupify12 about swbifi winding:

"The general geometry of this transformer is very different than a traditional transformer, because what we have is a primary coil wrapped around two cores. And really, we have that same type of architecture in a standard transformer...'cause what you do in a standard transformer is that you have the material going down the centre of this coil. So really, you're splitting the flux two ways, and that's what we're doing here - splitting the input flux two ways."

"The difference is that we have these two output coils that are wired in such a way that it has a bifilar configuration. ... where the output sets up opposing magnetic forces into this [secondary core] material... There's two configurations available [for the secondary]... You can wire the output in series or in parallel; in this case they're wired in series... the ratio ...is about 20 turns here [primary] and 120 turns for each secondary. So we're actually stepping up the voltage. ... They're just single wound [secondary] coils set up in an opposing configuration."

"And what that does to the behaviouur of these coils is that they lower the natural impedance on these cores, driving it overunity, where normally, you wouldn't see that on an output coil here. ...You'd see a fixed output impedance on the secondary here. But when this operates, the behavior is quite different because we have this cancellation going on, lowering the impedance on this [secondary] coils."

In response to a question about the opposing wound secondary coils, he calls this " a key feature with building overunity devices, because we're lowering the impedance on these coils. ... There's something going on; another force involved."

Some notes:
- running the transformer at 3200 cycles per second for best performance
- input side highly reactive compared to regular transformers.
- shorting the output coils shifts the phase angle to 102 deg

More quotes:
"We're dealing with some sort of source that's all around us here, some sort of a negative energy and that's what's pushing this wave form beyond 90 degrees. there's another force at play here; this other force acts like a negative electromagnetic force; that's what's acting on the current, pushing it beyond 90 degrees."

Quote from Stupify12
I have build the same Bifilar coil into a Tesla Transformer- air core, The effects me and my cousin have seen is when there is load on the secondary coils the Transformer seems to boost its performance and not affected in the so called counter induction. So we tried to add more coils in the Transformer, we have accidentally stumble on it the other secondary is powering a load of bulb with full brightness, accidentally Short circuit the new other Secondary coils that result into a boost of brightness on the bulb being load on the other secondary.

We have tried to make more shorted Bifilar secondary coils on this Transformer it seems to boost its performance with out demanding more power from the input source.
Source: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

Regards,
Bob

Edit: People really attacked Alek's measurements; maybe they weren't done perfectly, maybe not well at all. However, I still think the principles he outlines in the transformer are worthy of consideration. I do want to try this with 3 ferrite toroids I have.

[BroMikey]

Embarrassingly Detracting Folks

Hey Mike
Nice post. Sure drew a lot of detractors when it went up on another forum .
I took down what Bill Alek said about the transformer (in the video) and added a quote from Stupify12 about swbifi winding:

Regards,
Bob

Edit: People really attacked Alek's measurements; maybe they weren't done perfectly, maybe not well at all. However, I still think the principles he outlines in the transformer are worthy of consideration. I do want to try this with 3 ferrite toroids I have.

Thanks for posting Bob

I gotta say you have to be bullet proof so to speak on these forms because people WANT to live in denial. To agree that it might be THAT simple would mean an insult to their pride and all of the money they have spent going no where to find the keys.

We have all been told that it is simple to get the extra. Tesla wore a loin clothe compared to our technology and he could set up a lunch box size device and split the earth.

Today with all of our fancy EE topology we freak out if our little experiments go to 100 percent.

Thanks again for posting what Bill had said in the video.

Bill did alright by me with his figures. He did the conventional transformer first the same way and the results were different.

Why can't people just acknowledge that Bill is showing something that is not a normal phenomena.

For pete sakes he did everything the same in both experiments.

10vdc input at said freaks and the output was more using the BI-Toroidal, whats the big deal? It is well know that Bi-Toroidal Transformers offer better results than closed system designs.


Let's just say that this one process of extracting energy from the earth's Dyno is ridiculously easy. Don't these detractor think that there is enough electrical current to be had to go around like Tesla said???

Look at the mass comparison of both secondaries VS. the tiny primary wind.


We need to get down into this work with the Bi-Toroids using something other than coat hanger wire for cores. I bought some magnetite some time back to mix into my paint to make a magnetic chalk board replacement for the children to stick magnet letters on.

The iron dust called magnetite was not expensive. A few bucks worth of large neo's to align particulate while curing takes a hold and I can have any shape I want like Bill Mullier did.

I am telling you that is a lot of mass for the secondaries, I just can't get over that. We need to look at that mans transformer and put our hand over our mouths for a while before we speak.


Can you imagine how big a Bi-toroidal transformer would need to be using the transformer in the video as a standard for conversion?

Where are all of my Engineers who flex all of their mathematical muscles ranting free energy detractions? Figure that one out gentlemen.

Bill is only getting a couple-a-watts out of that Bi-toroid, so it ain't so free when you look at what the price is going to be to just run a 100 watts.

We all know how these experiments work well on one watt of energy. The efficiency figures look so much different for running larger amounts of practical power levels.

But if we get 2X or 3X that is still pretty good and not considered an O.U. device till it reaches over 4X by the Patent Office.

That's because the Patent Office a great many devices listed at 2X,3X O.U. even a Mosfet is an O.U device.

What's the big tute? I'll tell you what it is. Pride. That's all it is. We are all wired up the same, men are made like that. You see how patient Bill was with 4-5 people talking over top of him while he delivers his heart to the world?

You see that? Bill is a great man.

Bill has tried to explain all of this before, you can tell by the way he throws out the punch line and no body gets it. Yet he still remained calm, I got to hand it to him for his kind persistence.

Each time the results were offered no one in the room had the math skills to see his claim.

Where are you Farmhand? Where are you now? How are you going to say this man is deceiving himself this time?

I know who you mean Bob there are a bunch of them.

I guess I have not been skeptical enough at times in my life and I believe others easily then when the claim turns out false, I look like a fool. Oh yeah I have looked a fool many many times for that.

I am well exercised at being embarrassed. Yeah I still believe it is possible when I look a fool ahuh.


FREE ENERGY # 35 BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER - 377 % OVER UNITY MOTIONLESS - YouTube


Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation - YouTube

Mike

[Hrothgar]

True value

While I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, Line transformers aren't the place to put these. I think the best place for these transformers is to integrate them into isolation transformers for modern home electronics to make them near zero or even negative impact devices. It would be easier to sell just don't tell them that its that efficient .

[wayne.ct]

It looks like its time to do an experiment!

I need to collect some materials to work with.