Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[Bob Smith]

Mike
Have you seen all these slideshare presentations (you can select them from right column)
Pdi Ceo Thane Heins 3240 Connections presentations | SlideShare

This one might speak more directly to your questions:
How to Make a Bi-Toroid Transformer and Exceed 100 % Efficiency

Have a good day!
Bob

[BroMikey]

Wow Great Munchies

Mike
Have you seen all these slideshare presentations (you can select them from right column)
Pdi Ceo Thane Heins 3240 Connections presentations | SlideShare

This one might speak more directly to your questions:
How to Make a Bi-Toroid Transformer and Exceed 100 % Efficiency

Have a good day!
Bob

Thanks-A-Mill Bob. No I have never read this. Gonna do it now awesome.

It's High Times

Mike

[BroMikey]

Highlights

Here are a few I liked




















Thanks Bob


Mike

[Bob Smith]

My pleasure Mike.
Nice pics. Your enthusiasm is contagious.
Have a good day.
Bob

[BroMikey]

Cast Away Reject

The Jesuits hate freedom from slavery. Here is Thane live and direct.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udcWyGFH7Y



The evil blood sucking controllers are laughing it up for now and all of the whimpy cronies who do their bidding gutless grovaling men who have been castrated from youth.

Fearless men are few in number, however we don't all want to pull a Stan M. who thought Jesus was ready to rule the world with Stan M. as the head cheese

Come on boys think

Thane is a wise man by comparison to many other inventors.

Intellect is not enough. Great work Thane.

Here he is explaining how he has been pushed around and still getting the job done. Free energy is here.


This is the proper infiltration. This is the correct path where each individual is able to get the extra without destroying the worlds present economy is a few years.

We wouldn't want to get all of the worlds bullies mad at us at one time, would we?

I give you the aging Thane Heins who will be lucky to get out with a whole skin if he ain't careful.

[BroMikey]

Thane Bi-Toroid Patent Clips

Here are a few clips of the Bi-Toroid Patent from Thane Heins

typical transformer iron has a relative permeability of about 200 or so. Permalloy, which is higher grade material has a relative permeability of around 100,000.
If typical transformer grade iron is employed in the primary coil leg and permalloy in the second, then the Toroid (secondary coils) reluctance will be 500 times less than the primary.

Reluctance; is the metal's resistance to the flow of magnetic flux.

Relative Permeability; is a material's ability to contain and allow the flow of certain magnitudes of magnetic flux. without saturating.

Saturation; occurs when the material containing the flux becomes full and additional flux cannot be contained and it exits the material.

The higher the value of relative permeability of the material used - the less reluctance to the flow of magnetic flux it represents to the magnetic circuit.

It is important to note that the reluctance of a magnetic conductor rises with an increase in flux magnitude i.e. more flux = higher reluctance. Magnetic flux always follows the path of least reluctance.

Because the Secondary Coil(s) Back EMF cannot couple back to the Primary all of the current in the Primary Coil is Reactive current (also referred to as `magnetizing current') and it is returned to the source. Net Power = 0 There is no (or virtually no) Secondary Back EMF magnetically coupling back to the Primary reducing the Primary's impedance and causing it to draw non reactive current from the source in response to secondary loads.

In simple terms the PRIMARY Power = 0 W (reactive current only - power factor = 0) and the SECONDARY Power =N W because all the Secondary induced Back EMF is trapped within the Secondary Toroid and cannot couple back to the Primary. Ideally there should be virtually NO REAL POWER dissipated in the Primary Coil except for that which is lost due to the Primary's DC coil resistance.



The Secondary Toroid CORE AREA 14 is twice that of the Primary Toroid 4 so the Secondary Toroid's 14 reluctance is half that of the Primary return flux path 4. Magnetic flux always follows the path of least reluctance.


It is very important to note the two words "CORE AREA" above because "CORE VOLUME" is not the same thing. The alternate flux paths NEED to travel out away from the inter path so a 3 phase transformer geometry may not yield much, if any.

It must be understood that CORE AREA may carry with it an increase volume and that the geometry effects performance, as well as other specifications.

Alternating Current is sent to the primary not pulse DC that many confuse and consider a form of AC.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Thane Bi-Toroid Core

Here is a description of Permalloy VS iron transformer core material talked about by Thane in his patent. The reason Thane talks about the two types of materials is that one has a great resistance to flux than the other. It may well be any combination of Permalloy variations so as to insure that the primary is always the high resistance flux path.



Permalloy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Permalloy is a nickel-iron magnetic alloy, with about 20% iron and 80% nickel content. Invented in 1914 by physicist Gustav Elmen at Bell Telephone Laboratories,[1] it is notable for its very high magnetic permeability, which makes it useful as a magnetic core material in electrical and electronic equipment, and also in magnetic shielding to block magnetic fields. Commercial Permalloy alloys typically have relative permeability of around 100,000, compared to several thousand for ordinary steel.




Mike

[Web000x]

Here is a description of Permalloy VS iron transformer core material talked about by Thane in his patent. The reason Thane talks about the two types of materials is that one has a great resistance to flux than the other. It may well be any combination of Permalloy variations so as to insure that the primary is always the high resistance flux path.



Permalloy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Permalloy is a nickel-iron magnetic alloy, with about 20% iron and 80% nickel content. Invented in 1914 by physicist Gustav Elmen at Bell Telephone Laboratories,[1] it is notable for its very high magnetic permeability, which makes it useful as a magnetic core material in electrical and electronic equipment, and also in magnetic shielding to block magnetic fields. Commercial Permalloy alloys typically have relative permeability of around 100,000, compared to several thousand for ordinary steel.




Mike

Thanks for digging Mike. I think my next step is to change my secondary core material to a higher permeability material. I'm also using magamp cores for the secondary isolated flux path. The problem with this material, FerroXCube 3r1, is that it has a very low gauss saturation point. Sounds like it isn't suited for the job of providing an adequate flux path for the secondaries. Although at very low amplitudes, I still get no signs of super-efficient operation.. I've got some various cores sitting around that I'll try soon in place of the current cores.

Dave

[Dog-One]

Come on boys think

I would suggest the materials needed to build a working device are available. Make the investment in time and materials and when complete and you have a working device, add another 10% of your investment and send it to Thane as a thank you for bringing this technology out into the light of day.

Thane has probably gone as far as he can; it's up to the people that no longer desire to be energy slaves to take it the rest of the way.

[BroMikey]

BiTT Picture

@ Web000x

It is my pleasure to serve others. Glad you could benefit.

@ Dog-One

Yes we need to be thankful for Thanes sacrifice as he was being cast out.

It was high time for Thane to enter the real world. Great going Thane. Remember the Gauntlet film with Clint Eastwood? And while those of us like Thane are sort of the bad apple when it comes to going against academic views, we are shot at with words and words are very powerful. People who we grew to love and trust now turning their backs is a killer feeling.

Okay @ Everybody

Here is a fun shot for each of you to evaluate. I have searched for strips of Permalloy or anything that might be similar to Thane's picture. I do not know how to get or make this material. Looking at the picture maybe someone else knows the answer.


In the picture you will see Thanes BiTT or Bi-Toroidal Transformer made of thin strips of what looks almost like pieces of thin plastic sheeting.

Also many other notations.



Mike

[sprocket]

A couple of points. Please feel free to correct any of my (mis)understandings.

Assuming this works as stated, since there is no real power dissipated in the primary, it is the same as powering a purely reactive load. While this won't register with old electric meters, it would with newer ones - so wouldn't using a transformer like this be just another way of stealing electricity? I mean, the electric company may not charge domestic users for this, (unlike commercial users) but it still takes the power company the same amount of 'effort' to power a reactive load as it does a resistive load.

Say I construct an isolation-transformer in this way - for example, 220v < - > 220v - given the COP's that are talked about, what is to stop me feeding the secondary 220v back and feeding the primary, thereby having it power itself?

When I first read BroMikey's post about using materials of different permeabilities to cancel the BEMF flux to the primary, I thought "cool idea!". But the end bit regarding 'Core Area' and 'Core Volume' just left me confused. Why does 'Core Area' come into it - for instance, the text mentions the secondary being twice that of the primary - if you were to use a secondary with a material that has a much lower reluctance than the primary does?

[BroMikey]

Looped

@sprocket

Auroratek uses this tech and loops it back to have a self contained scooter that when at rest charges the batteries without plugging in. Does that ring any bells? Or does that answer your question about stealing power from the wall?

Meters don't lie, am I correct? Well that's the standard come back when people want to grind their point. Or do meters lie? I got it the answer is yes.

Just having a little fun sprocket, you wouldn't deny me that?

Some say they lie and some say they don't depending and I am like you, if it can be looped, then I'll believe it.

What Thane did say in one of his presentations was that because the energy cartel is so powerful they would try to charge for something they didn't produce. Trust me that is what he said because reactive power and real power are not the same. Hey these dogs want to charge people Taxes for breathing air and making CO2 gas bad boy for using the air.

The other question you had about CORE AREA this is the statement found in the patent. But yes you are right that many variations could exist by manipulating the flux path densities.

What I am saying is why not trying it the way Thane has shown first and then vary the build? Then there will be at least one or two working examples other than Thane's.

Most of us here on these forms are not capable of following Thanes instructions, I guess because all I see is reasons why it didn't work while their build is completely different than what Thane has shown.

I watched John Bedini harp on that for years. People will build something that the inventor has given the plans for and nothing working because nothing is like the instructions show.

I see core materials that were never suggested and the builders are claiming it just doesn't work.

It is the same thing as when John demonstrated his motors and someone stole the batteries so it wouldn't work, then the press can write "See it doesn't work"

Mike

[Dog-One]

BiTT Principals

The other question you had about CORE AREA this is the statement found in the patent. But yes you are right that many variations could exist by manipulating the flux path densities.

Both core area and material determine the flux density the core is capable of handling. If you exceed this threshold, the core will saturate and it's game over.

So now we need low reluctance in the larger secondary core and higher reluctance in the primary core. How do we do that? Permalloy, Metglas, Amorphous all have pretty low reluctance. So suppose we build our BiTT from this material; that takes care of it right? Almost, we still need high reluctance for the primary core. How do we handle that?

Air!

Add a small air gap in the path of the primary core and bingo, you now have the working principals nailed down for the BiTT.

Thane's device is all about redirecting the back EMF away from the primary. Actually it not only redirects it away from the primary, it repurposes it as forward EMF to the opposite secondary. And since we know back EMF happens instantaneously to forward EMF, we have a system that will stay in-phase to the AC signal entering the primary.

Best bet is to read-up on power transformers and apply Thane's principals to what we already know.
Coils and transformers

[BroMikey]

Transformer basics

Energy storage in magnetic cores
Do you know how much energy a coil is storing? It's defined by the same old formula that shows up so often in good old Newtonian physics: "a" is equal to one-half "b" times "c" squared!

(5) J = 1/2 * H * A2

Energy is expressed in Joule (J). H is the inductance in henry, while A refers to the amount of ampere magnetizing the core. In the case of a transformer, this current must be calculated as the net current after subtracting any opposing currents, such as primary and secondary ones, giving proper care to the number of turns. In short, this current is the magnetizing current.

In most typical transformer applications this storage of energy is not really desired, but is an unavoidable side effect. But there are applications that make good use of this storage! One very important example is the fly-back topology of switching power supplies. Basically, such power supplies make the transformer store energy coming from the primary circuit, and then dump this energy into the secondary circuit - often at a voltage that is unrelated to turns ratio! As primary and secondary currents do not flow at the same time, it is no longer true that the voltage ratio must be equal to the turns ratio!

Let's suppose that we will make a switching power supply using this principle. We want 13.8V output, while the input should be 110 or 220Vac. The logical approach in this case is to use a primary rectifier that can be configured as bridge for 220V, or as voltage doubler for 110V, so we will end up with about 300Vdc in either case, and the rest of the switching power supply will be the same, regardless of line voltage.

Let's further suppose that we have a ferrite core of 2cm2 cross-sectional area, 12cm path length, sporting an initial permeability of 2000, saturating at 0.35T, and we want to run it at 100kHz. For designing this unit, we need one more piece of information: The AL value, which relates turns number to inductance. If we don't get this value from the core's manufacturer, we can calculate it from physical dimensions and ferrite properties, or we can wind a test coil and measure it, but it's definitely easier to get it from the catalog! Let's suppose that for our core, this value is 6µH per turns squared. Which means that 1 turn will give 6µH, 10 turns will give 600µH, and so on.

The values assumed above are quite typical for practical cases.

In order to reduce voltage strain on the primary switching transistor, we will assign 30% of the time to transformer charging, and 60% to discharging. This allows to perform the discharge at half the voltage level, so the switching transistor will only see 450V instead of 600V. Also this reduces peak current on the secondary rectifier, while increasing requirements for primary current handling and secondary voltage handling, both of which are not a problem in our supposed situation.
The 10% of time remaining is there to account for time lost during switching, dead time of the controller, etc.
At 100kHz, our charge time will be 3µs, and the discharge time will be 6µs. A look into the ferrite's data table lets us know that at 100kHz, maximum single-sided flux density should be limited to 0.1T. Applying formulas 2 and 1, we quickly end up with the following:

t = 300V * 0.000003s / 0.1T / 0.0002m2 = 45

So, 45 turns will load up this core to 0.1T in 3µs, when applying 300V. Nice and easy. On the secondary side we need 13.8V, plus about 1V for diode drop, giving about 15V. We can use the same formula again, inserting the different values for voltage and time:

t = 15V * 0.000006s / 0.1T / 0.00002m2 = 4.5

Did you like this? The turns ratio is 10:1, while the voltage ratio is 20:1, because the time ratio is 1:2!

Feel free to use either 4 or 5 turns instead of the fractional number. This will simply cause a slight alteration in the charge-discharge times.

Now, how much power can we extract from this switching power supply? No, don't run for the things I wrote above about line power transformers! Here we have two limits: One is the limit of the transformer proper, as of heat dissipation, but then there is a functional limit too, which is more important: Our switching power supply works by energy storage, and for each cycle, only a very specific amount of energy is stored, strictly limiting the power that can be converted!

According to the AL value assumed above, our 45-turn primary winding will have an inductance of about 12mH. Using the definition of inductance, we can calculate the peak current that will flow at the end of the charging cycle:

A = 300V * 0.000003s / 0.012 H = 0.075

Only 75mA! Doesn't look like much... Let's calculate the stored energy for each cycle:

J = 1/2 * 0.012H * [0.075A]2 = 0.000034

You can also calculate this energy from another approach: As the current will ramp up linearly from zero to 75mA, its average will be 37.5mA. At 300V, and 3µs, that is:

J = 300V * 0.0375A * 0.000003s = 0.000034

Isn't it nice when things agree...? :-)

Considering that at 100kHz we have 100000 of these tiny specks of energy per second, and that Joule is simply Watt times second, we end up with a sad power level of only 3.4W for our glamorous switching power supply! Seems like a mighty bad use for a core of that size, doesn't it? That core is rated at "250W typical" by the manufacturer!!!

[sprocket]

@BroMikey - We don't have long to wait now to see whether or not AuroraTek really have something - and MUCH more importantly - will be allowed to commercialise it! I have a lot of time for Bill Alek and would love to see him become the first Billionaire out of this. Nevertheless, I'm sceptical, not necessarily of Bill, more of the track-record of roll-outs like this - there have been many, and thus far, all have come to naught.

I don't agree that AuroraTek's charger 'powers-itself' - the battery powers it, and it somehow pulls energy from somewhere to feed more than is used back to the battery. It's may seem a small point, but if this works, I believe it only does so when combinations of different forces are combined - chemical & electromagnetic in this instance probably. Also the reason I believe that gravity-wheels can never work using gravity alone.

I don't believe things are clear-cut in Thane's case either. Have you seen this video? As far as I'm aware, Thane has never refuted the claims that are being made there - which are pretty convincing!

Of course, his is not the first over-unity transformer-style claim. You have this from long ago, as well as probably dozens on Youtube itself - you point to one of these above, by the redoubtable 'Deirones'. I'm half-convinced that some of his stuff actually works - the above video is very convincing! It's fascinating the amount of the bile & vitriol that is directed towards him in the Youtube comments, yet not one of these cretins even attempt to explain how this "idiot" is faking these videos - if he's an idiot, what does that make them! More to the point, most of these comments seem to be an attempt to dissuade Deirones from continuing to post videos - so there is probably something there.

At the back of my mind I have a nagging feeling that success or failure at this racket may work along the lines of Spoon-bending - while most cannot do it, there are a significant number that can. Even Tesla himself seems to have come across this, where his contemporaries would write to complain that despite their best efforts, they could not get his stuff to work. Tesla would write back saying that he was at a loss to provide further help, as everything that anyone needed to know to build his inventions was included in the patents, and his own builds worked every time. Sound familiar?