Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[BroMikey]

Ozone

Update: I just removed 14 turns from my primary on my SFT2 and ran some preliminary experiments with power calculations. This seems to be the way to go. I get a much broader frequency range of negative power factors and a more robust heat dissipation in the output. I'd love to run this thing into full resonance but my coils start hissing and smell like ozone. Follow Bill's lead with the tiny primary and big secondaries.

Added Update: My circuits are always very much less efficient when I DON'T have capacitance in the secondary circuit. Without capacitance, it acts totally conventional. Sounds like series wound bifilar for the added capacitance is my next step.



Dave

Hey Dave Ozone production requires super high voltages doesn't it? You are not running kilovolts, I didn't think. Maybe that is why HV caps work better for tuning?

Mike

[BroMikey]

Russian Bi-Toroid 2009

Here is a Bi-Toroid array that they call OVER UNITY TRANSFORMER and clearly can be compared with any twin coil dual secondary design.





Russian overunity transformer - YouTube




This is a 3Phase version using twin triple phase specialized transformers. One is larger than the other and work together to regenerate energy that normally is lost.

This is pre-2009


Mike

[Web000x]

Hey Dave Ozone production requires super high voltages doesn't it? You are not running kilovolts, I didn't think. Maybe that is why HV caps work better for tuning?

Mike

Yes, like I stated in a couple of posts, you must use HV rated caps. I am easily seeing 500 Volt cap voltages close to resonance, this with never more than 26 volts input. I don't operate in full resonance so I don't even get close to what the full potential of resonance may be. I do use a neon bulb and a 10 megohm resistor across my caps so that I have some visual indication to be safe. Please be careful. If you are unsure of what you are doing, shield your caps with something like a shoebox so they don't put your eye out when they explode.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Unsure of HV Explosions

"They sort of snap like a fire cracker dem critters"

This is what I have heard of and other guys warn about in their video's so no I don't know what I am doing half the time, that way I get more excitement in my life but folks really should take care of their eyes.

Thanks Web000x I am still learning.

All day I handle 220vac and I respect electricity believe you me. Some of my electronic ignition gas stoves will set you too, but nothin like the time I was sweating like a drill Sargent working on a Television 20 years ago, bumped the flyback with a wet elbow. Now THAT is excitement I can do without.

I was all tired out working into the night and THAT ended MY day right there.

Now let me say that I feel bad that you had to repeat that you used HV caps in another post. I don't know how I missed that. I see so many videos and read so many posts that sometimes any one subject gets rolled under.

It is important to repeat and for this i am glad that you took the time.

I think Mr Clean says that in his videos too, but I figured it out by realizing I don't have any cap that even came close to the size Clean has in his video's.

One thing tuning requires is and number of caps to add together say in increments 20's and 10's then 1's and .1's so that a fine line can be arrived at without using a variable capacitor with a gear reduction box.

It is a fine line. Even though you can not excess the full resonance I suppose because of the high frequencies needed, many harmonics exist in between that if tuned give peak results.

The only circuit I have tuned using a cap is an AM&FM RADIO so this will be a new experience.

I think the 2000volt disk caps are the big ones but I really don't know what I will find. Any suggestions would be welcome. I generally look on EBAY.

The bigger the winding the higher the voltage so caps need to be able to perform their task without running the red-line.

Besides the stink I hate blowing up any part as this may short and damage other components in a circuit.

So the good thing is that my mind is fixed properly on the safety issues.

Mike

Yes, like I stated in a couple of posts, you must use HV rated caps. I am easily seeing 500 Volt cap voltages close to resonance, this with never more than 26 volts input. I don't operate in full resonance so I don't even get close to what the full potential of resonance may be. I do use a neon bulb and a 10 megohm resistor across my caps so that I have some visual indication to be safe. Please be careful. If you are unsure of what you are doing, shield your caps with something like a shoebox so they don't put your eye out when they explode.

Dave

[Dog-One]

Reactive Caps

Yes, like I stated in a couple of posts, you must use HV rated caps. I am easily seeing 500 Volt cap voltages close to resonance, this with never more than 26 volts input. I don't operate in full resonance so I don't even get close to what the full potential of resonance may be. I do use a neon bulb and a 10 megohm resistor across my caps so that I have some visual indication to be safe. Please be careful. If you are unsure of what you are doing, shield your caps with something like a shoebox so they don't put your eye out when they explode.

Dave

I have a dozen of those large 580VAC EPCOS 92uF caps I can try. These would be hooked to the secondaries? And they boost the output power instead of drop it?

Do you seriously have a 20 to 1 turns ratio or is this just how the SFT reacts with caps? Series or parallel connections on the secondaries?

And when you say you don't have it tuned for full resonance, you mean you stay away from the frequency input where the output starts to go nuts?


I have to finish building my jig to hold things in place to wrap my secondaries; hopefully I can start tomorrow on them. I was planning on about a 1 to 3 turns ratio and have my primary at about 80 turns, so do you think 240 turns on the secondaries is a good place for a first try?

I for sure will be delighted if I can pull an amp at 100 volts with the input still sitting 90 degrees out of phase.


Oh BTW Dave, got a nice full box of FerroXCube 3R1 toroid cores to play with if my AlphaCores become a dead end.

[BroMikey]

580vac Caps

Here is your Cap Dog-One

[BroMikey]

Ac Capacitor Tuning Example

Hello group members

These are examples of cap tuning that were dropped into our lap by successful replicators of the THANE H. BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER.

Looking at the dia shows a tuning cap for each set of windings.





It looks like in this instance that a 30nF is used in the twin secondary and the primary a 100nF.

Here is another good example from the DON SMITH project where tuning is used with capacitors.






Mike

[BroMikey]

Bi Toroid

OLD pictures of yet another version from Russia






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Tape Job core.


Mike

[blackchisel97]

Hi Mike,

I believe that tuning caps values are in nF, not uF. Could you check this out to make sure?

Regards
V

[Dog-One]

SFT Winding Jig Complete

If you don't prefab your coils as Mike has done, you'll have to jig the cores together for winding as I have done here.

[BroMikey]

I Remember Now

Hello Blackchisel

I think you are right Clean did say nF in the video one time. Thanks for keeping me on track. I know some of you guys who have been here much longer than I have watch the progress so thanks for being there.

This also explains the cap size in the Mr Clean video using what looks like large disk shaped caps yet very high voltages. If I remember correctly Mr Clean said they were caps he had from his TESLA COIL PROJECT. AND the DOM SMITH work he has done.

I have been trying to find some of EBY but I haven't known what all of the shapes look like that are available in this range.

14nF is a value that sticks with me from one video or was that Web000x?

Either way we figure it out especially quicker with someone who will keep an eye on things to sort of keep us on the well beaten path.

Mikey

Hi Mike,

I believe that tuning caps values are in nF, not uF. Could you check this out to make sure?

Regards
V

[BroMikey]

nF Caps 600-1000volts

Here are a few pictures of the type cap we need.






Mikey

[BroMikey]

Nice Big Cores

If you don't prefab your coils as Mike has done, you'll have to jig the cores together for winding as I have done here.

Now thats what I call Top Dog-One cores.

I haven't decided what you meant about the "JIG"? I guess there are mores ways than one to skin this job even though I have not yet comprehended your method.

I'll those cores were a pretty penny. Looks like you cleaned the piggy bank for sure those things should produce real results compared to the cores I have.

Are you going with 16awg?


Mike

[BroMikey]

Tuning

I have a dozen of those large 580VAC EPCOS 92uF caps I can try. These would be hooked to the secondaries? And they boost the output power instead of drop it?

This is like Lasersabers Joule ringers one cap value across the right set of wires can make all of the difference. I guess I forgot my Joule Ringer windings days so I have would a few coils before this, but not very many.

I did a 170 foot secondary and a 17turn bifilar to get 120plus volts and when i played with caps all around the circuit I found that just the right cap would put my light in a very bright condition with the amp draw dropping down lower.

Mike

[Web000x]

I have a dozen of those large 580VAC EPCOS 92uF caps I can try. These would be hooked to the secondaries? And they boost the output power instead of drop it?

Do you seriously have a 20 to 1 turns ratio or is this just how the SFT reacts with caps? Series or parallel connections on the secondaries?

And when you say you don't have it tuned for full resonance, you mean you stay away from the frequency input where the output starts to go nuts?


I have to finish building my jig to hold things in place to wrap my secondaries; hopefully I can start tomorrow on them. I was planning on about a 1 to 3 turns ratio and have my primary at about 80 turns, so do you think 240 turns on the secondaries is a good place for a first try?

I for sure will be delighted if I can pull an amp at 100 volts with the input still sitting 90 degrees out of phase.


Oh BTW Dave, got a nice full box of FerroXCube 3R1 toroid cores to play with if my AlphaCores become a dead end.

It seems that when I use large capacitance, my negative power factor starts to drop off. In other words, I see the best results in the higher frequency range as permitted by my audio amp. I would suggest high voltage cap ratings if you're looking for any decent power output, at least 5kv. This gives you a lot of wiggle room.

I don't have a 20:1 ratio. If you take into account what happens during resonance, you will see that it is easy to get high voltages across the caps. My ratio, primary to secondary, is actually 1: phi^3.

I've been running my secondaries in series, with not a whole lot of attention to parallel. I'll get there soon..

When I speak of not running in full resonance, it's because at peak resonance nothing novel seems to happen. My primary current and voltage are in phase very much like a conventional xfmr. However, if I tune down just south of the peak resonance in the lower frequency side, I start to see my phase angle in the primary change so that I see a negative power factor while still powering a small load. I've calculated as much as a COP of 14 with this latest arrangement, about .25 watts in and 3.5 watts out. This doesn't take into consideration the heat being developed in my series resonating capacitor. If anybody knows how to calculate conductive losses in dielectric materials in a practical situation like this, please let me know.

80:240 turns ratio sounds like a good place to start.

I think these transformers when running can only 'give' back so much energy. For example, if I short my secondary windings with just the series resonating cap, I get the strongest negative power factor. But when I start adding a load to the secondaries, the negative power factor starts to diminish until I get to optimum tuning like Dog-One hypothesized, most power out while still maintaining a 90 degrees phase angle. If I add too much of a load, I start to get a phase angle of less than 90. You could use all of these in a practical setting. Theoretically the negative power factor mode of operation could add magnetism back to a generator giving it motive force to turn like a motor. You could find the sweet spot of a load and a 90 degree phase angle so that the generator wouldn't 'see' the load. Or you could add a fully impedance matched load and find that your transformer is probably operating a lot more efficiently than conventional transformer. It's all about what you want to do with it. I personally am thinking in terms of a combination of the first two so that maybe I can get a rotor that spins by itself while delivering real power.



Dave