Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[BroMikey]

Dave's Video

Hey Dave

You are indeed an electronics master. The video is worth thousands of words.

All I can think is where can I get a scope that is more contemporary so i can see waveforms this nice. You have shown a very important effect of negative power factor and real heat dissipation.

This is yet another super validations. This leaves very little to question, doesn't it


Keep exploring the new possibilities of practical use.

This is only the first hurdle. That split flux trans is way bigger than I had originally thought.


Thanks for sharing all your work up to this point math included,


Mike

Here is a less than awesome quality video showing my setup. I tried using the HD function but it wouldn't load so I had to settle for standard quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mCx...L6cdsupqwo9-Hg

Here is my schematic:


Dave

P.S. I made a mistake in a previous post saying that my turn ratio was 1: phi^3. I was mistaken. It is 1: phi^4, or 24:162. The schematic also wrong. It says 168 turns on the secondaries, but it should say 162 turns.

[Web000x]

Made another video: SFT - Negative Power Factor vs Load

[BroMikey]

Video 2

Made another video: SFT - Negative Power Factor vs Load

I am right here looking at your video's Dave, awesome work. You get jobs done fast.

Mike

[Farmhand]

BroMikey that setup can show any phase angle you like, and it does show
phase angles of over 90 degrees and the same effects as Bill Alec's
transformers, I can dig up some 90 degree load shots which Thane would call
OU, I can show phase angles of 90 and Zero degrees on either side of a
Transformer powered by the setup. All that is possible because it's a "Tuned"
circuit and I can adjust the capacitance in the tanks very finely.

With this setup and a couple of others I can show all the effects produced
by Than Heins, and I think I can explain the Bitt effect but I need to do some
more experiments.

I have shown the acceleration under load effect ( regenerative acceleration)
he called it and I can show a significant reduction in input power when
powering a load from a regular transformer as in his Transformer based setups.
I have no doubt I can explain the effect seen in the Bitt, but I will need to
build a line frequency one to show it, problem is that I will be showing why it
isn't over unity like he claims while showing similar results effects.

One thing to remember is that it is not possible to maintain a 90 degree
"exactly" phase shift between voltage and current on the input because if
that was the case no energy could be transferred to the load, in reality
the phase angle between voltage and current is always changing slightly,
if the phase between voltage and current on the input was maintained at
exactly 90 degrees the real input would drop to zero.

Another thing to remember about Thanes BiTT is the tiny load powers he was
demonstrating, the lower the power the more magnified any measurement
errors will be. A fraction of a degree off 90 degree phase shift would likely
account for his results

If Thanes acceleration under load effects are not what he claims they are
then why is it not possible he is wrong about the BiTT as well ?

The composite picture from my last post was actually for the different stages
of lighting a fluro.

I'm looking for the truth of the matter, I'm not trying to verify any particular
side of the argument, I just want the truth and I will find it, if other do not
accept what I find out then that is their right.

Bill Alec uses frequency in the Khz, truth is they use the frequency that suits
the coils or they make the coils to suit the frequency, no real difference.

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[BroMikey]

Finding the truth

Anyone can produce any wave shape they want but to look for the truth in this setup you will need a transformer built as instructed.

Without a Bi-Toroid Transformer or some kind of a similar split phase transformer then you can never get the proper results. It looks like you are looking for results that back up the old EM laws.

Naturally know one is surprised as this has always been your way. First you should test a Bitt before making any judgements.

I think the problem you are having is the part about energy being returned to the supply as one form of extra energy. You have to start at the beginning.

At the end we will have a closed loop and it will not be until then that each man will know for sure if his system in tuned.

Here is your parts list.

1 Get some metglas cores of the proper proportions

2 Produce a 3:1 ratio of magnet wire windings

3 1 deep cycle battery.

4 sinewave inverter variable frequency oscillator for 12vdc supply

Other feed back systems to recharge the battery and you have completed your design.

Anything short of that has nothing to do with this thread and belongs in the file marked "SOMETHING ELSE"

Show me and the group your Bitt under load.


Mikey

BroMikey that setup can show any phase angle you like....................................

I'm looking for the truth of the matter, I'm not trying to verify any particular
side of the argument, I just want the truth and I will find it, if other do not
accept what I find out then that is their right.

Bill Alec uses frequency in the Khz, truth is they use the frequency that suits
the coils or they make the coils to suit the frequency, no real difference.

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[BroMikey]

BiTT Power Factor

Here is part one





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45M4mCKrxTM

[BroMikey]

conventional training

Here is a basic understanding of conventional power factor training. No need for confusion.










https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81n7HrLn3Ng



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO6iEPLdrdQ


AuroraTek at Prepper Fest AZ Expo 2014 on Vimeo




Mikey

[Dog-One]

Maybe an elegant solution just around the corner...

Made another video: SFT - Negative Power Factor vs Load

You certainly are correct Dave. There is extra juice being extracted and it has to go somewhere--either out the secondaries or the primary.

I need to do some thinking about the shorted condition. If we had the right kind of driver circuit, essentially the SFT gain could be pumped over and over until like you said, it simply blows up. The beauty here though is that we have an extraordinarily high (Q Factor) gain inductor. There must be a simple straightforward way to take advantage of that condition.

Is it possible to just construct a tank circuit and pulse it initially to start it, then just let it ramp up on its own to some threshold where we bleed off the excess power to avoid self destruction? Could it be that simple? This would beat Bill's over complicated SmartPAK for certain. How about a simple bridge rectifier, filter cap and adjustable voltage regulator connected to a load? Would this act as a bleeder circuit?

[BroMikey]

My First Bi-Toroid experiments

One other thing I didn't mention was the fact that I randomly hooked my secondaries in parallel with each other. One way gives me twice as much voltage as the opposite way that is half the voltage.

Anyone doing this experiment needs to try both ways so they can get the effects right. The connection that displays the effects is a bifilar one? I don't know what it's called.

I ran out of time. Be doing more in series next.

So this may explain why so many get poor results

Keep trying, winner takes all, losers take the fall.


Mikey

[Web000x]

BroMikey that setup can show any phase angle you like, and it does show
phase angles of over 90 degrees and the same effects as Bill Alec's
transformers, I can dig up some 90 degree load shots which Thane would call
OU, I can show phase angles of 90 and Zero degrees on either side of a
Transformer powered by the setup. All that is possible because it's a "Tuned"
circuit and I can adjust the capacitance in the tanks very finely.

So you're telling me that you're going to explain away conventional phase angles with some newly contrived theory based off of your personal hunch? Power companies are very concerned with this particular subject of phase angles. Do you think they just pass it off as some 'phenomena'? What do you think they might see if they saw that on the transmission lines?
Oh, the load just accidentally sent 100's of KW worth of power spikes back to the generator with no apparent source, no cause for concern?

Dave

[Web000x]

Another thing to remember about Thanes BiTT is the tiny load powers he was
demonstrating, the lower the power the more magnified any measurement
errors will be. A fraction of a degree off 90 degree phase shift would likely
account for his results

I can feel the 5.4 watts of power being dissipated in my load resistor. In that setup, you can do the math from the video of how much power is across the load. Look at the 90 degree phase shift on the scope where even a slight fraction wouldn't do much damage to some amazing COP calculations. How do you explain it?

Dissipating 5.4 Watts across 54 Ohms of resistance, synchronicity of 1:10...

Voltage at Primary: 24.1 Volts

Current into Primary: 1 Amp

Cosine = 91.8 degrees [(4.08uS/8uS)x180]

INPUT POWER = -.756 Watts


The former were my measurements. Let's get hypothetical... The cosine angle that you, Farmhand, would need to account for my measurements of 5.4 watts would be 77 degrees. Obviously that angle that I show in my scope shot is far closer to 90 degrees than 77 degrees. By the way 77 degrees would be a transfer rate of aproximately 100% with no core losses. Do the math.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Flux path Experiments




@Dog-One Bills smart pack circuitry mainly centers around keeping that expensive battery alive for many years. Bill knows about all of the battery technology such as changes to duty and spiking so his embedded chip can be written to both monitor and charge.

Proper charging is VERY SIGNIFICANT. And his smart pack will do better charging than any other system besides John B.

What a chip might do for the BiTT is change the amptitude so the amount of energy going to the battery drops off as SMART charge cycle progresses. So the chip can be programed for all of these important timing moves.

If you are not going to charge batteries running a BiTT wide open is a far easier operation. As far as looping goes I have come to realize that the simple forms of just sending some power back through a resistor will suffer an ever diminishing frequency change. This will throw off the efficiency of the BITT by straying from the best waveform.

Set up a circuit that works and later send plenty back to the battery in pulse form with lots to spare for running your loads.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Right on the Math

That math equation is inescapable. The power companies live eat and sleep KVAR's. That is all they understand, anything else is not a consideration and all of their calculations can never be changed.

They know their job and will always do it the same way as required or they lose their jobs. I talk to a few who i ask questions and they don't give an inch. They want soft start and to see the angles AND THEY TELL YOU what cap to ad in if you pay them enough money to come out and inspect your operation.

They don't budge. You are right Web000x, it is what it is and the power company rules have been like this for 100years.

Mike

I can feel the 5.4 watts of power being dissipated in my load resistor. In that setup, you can do the math from the video of how much power is across the load. Look at the 90 degree phase shift on the scope where even a slight fraction wouldn't do much damage to some amazing COP calculations. How do you explain it?

Dissipating 5.4 Watts across 54 Ohms of resistance, synchronicity of 1:10...

Voltage at Primary: 24.1 Volts

Current into Primary: 1 Amp

Cosine = 91.8 degrees [(4.08uS/8uS)x180]

INPUT POWER = -.756 Watts


The former were my measurements. Let's get hypothetical... The cosine angle that you, Farmhand, would need to account for my measurements of 5.4 watts would be 77 degrees. Obviously that angle that I show in my scope shot is far closer to 90 degrees than 77 degrees. By the way 77 degrees would be a transfer rate of aproximately 100% with no core losses. Do the math.

Dave

[BroMikey]

ReGenX

I can understand how the reGenX can into being. First Thane discovered the reflected wave recovery method in the BITT that extracts energy for the environment.

Then just like Bill has increased frequency through the use of complex circuitry, thane decided that the Bi-Toroid principle could be applied to an electric motor At the same time generate the elevated voltages and frequencies needed to increase efficiency.

The motor simplifies the circuitry needed to run it. Simple means less waste. A motor that accelerates under increased load meaning that the design runs on idle at average efficiency and as power is needed and RPM increases the machines optimum COP doubles and triples as it climbs.

What an awesome idea. I never read anything about that creation anywhere. It just came to me.

I have been to busy building these simple BITT's.

Mike

[wayne.ct]

Good explanation, Dave

Hi Dave,

I watched your video and want to compliment you on your clear and thoughtful narrative. I have watched a number of videos on the BiTT/SFT and yours is one of the best. Thanks and I recommend it.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post265763

I like Mike's suggestion that we need a small (portable) circuit to provide the input signal and provide an automated frequency adjustment, etc. It would have many advantages. I commend you, Mike, for staying focused. I only hope my build is as successful as what I see you doing here.