Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[BroMikey]

Measuring

Hi Dave thanks for the notation.

The 6 light bulbs I use are 5 volts each and so I have 3 of these 5 volt lights in series. Then I have 2 sets in parallel. The lights not glowing very brightly on 7volts but just in case I measure the resistance after it ran awhile as quickly as possible.

Both measurements came to 12.2 ohms. Just for your information

See the bulbs are not being pushed to their limit so they are not hot, maybe mildly warm so the resistance is stable.

As far as the meter goes, I put it all around the back end and the amp clamp shows the same as these new meters wired directly in.

Yeah their is a slight difference on one side of the cap or the coil that is 10 feet longer. I am still testing yet I will tell you all something right now.

Every point in the secondary side does not read as expected sometimes.

It is like most of the current goes one way so maybe I need an amplifier to do this right.

For now I am glad to see what i have shown you above.

Next I will do some scope shots in the days ahead. I do things very slow and I do give up. One thing younger people do is, everything fast and are done before I ever get started.

This is going to be a project that will take at least a year to even get small amounts of excess. I say it this way because once I can determine that a device can give me what I want, I lock in and think about it, day after day.


I will be doing Pulse DC as well as zero crossing type pulsing in the days ahead. So far from my experiments, it is my personal belief that any bi-toroid/sft2 can be tuned for any frequency at a certain voltage accompanied by the current.

Once it is tuned close on both ends at that voltage adjusting the voltage up and down can reveal even higher efficiencies for that load. All of this to show a proof of a certain concept.

I will be pulling down a few standard transformers off the shelf to compare.

Keep up the good work Dave

Mike

Hey Mike,

Great work, but if you are going to make power measurements, you must have the amp meter in series with your load. Right now you have it setup to where you may be getting skewed power measurements because you are reading your reactive power flow too. Another option would be to take the voltage reading across your load and calculate power using (E^2)/R.

Also, remember that the resistance of the filament in an incandescent goes up with a function of temperature. This means that the resistance you measure at a state of rest will not reflect the resistance under load. The hotter the filament, the higher the resistance will be. Calculating power using the 12.2 ohms will yield larger results than that of a higher resistance. Don't let that one bite you. Once you find the tuning you like, try swapping the lamp out with an appropriate rated resistor and run the power calculations.

Keep at it,

Dave

[Web000x]

Mike, can you tell me how much current is running through the load and how many volts are across the load? I'm curious.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Mike, can you tell me how much current is running through the load and how many volts are across the load? I'm curious.

Dave

Okay Dave you were right.

I was getting some bad readings. The amp clamp works sometimes and I was under the impression it was calibrated with these other meters.

The readings are off.

The lines show 400ma and the load shows 120ma @ 7.4v

But the input is 30ma @ 8.8v

But I am in a hurry not real sure. I am working out in the yard toneight.

Mike

[Web000x]

But the input is 30ma @ 8.8v

30 ma or 300 ma? Your diagram says 280 ma...

[Dog-One]

Dave, have you tried any more tests with shorted secondaries and pulsed inputs?

[vidbid]

Resonant Bi-toroid Transformer Circuit Proposal

Why couldn't a Bi-toroid Transformer be configured in a resonant circuit as in Energy Propagation - YouTube

Regards,

VIDBID

[Web000x]

Dave, have you tried any more tests with shorted secondaries and pulsed inputs?

I haven't tried with pulsed inputs yet. I'm more interested in an AC signal since that's what Thane and Bill used. I did finally revisit my circuit again tonight after being despondent for about a week. I'm using ten 1-ohm resistors in parallel which greatly reduces inductance for my current measurements. I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Most of my efficiency calculations have been about 90% or lower...

[Web000x]

Why couldn't a Bi-toroid Transformer be configured in a resonant circuit as in Energy Propagation - YouTube

Regards,

VIDBID

That's what I had in mind. Thanks for posting Andrew's video.

[BroMikey]

Fakin my self out

30 ma or 300 ma? Your diagram says 280 ma...

yes I meant 300ma I will try to get my head on straight and not makes so many blunders.

[BroMikey]

Resonant tuning.

Why couldn't a Bi-toroid Transformer be configured in a resonant circuit as in Energy Propagation - YouTube

Regards,

VIDBID

Thanks for this pep talk on resonant tuning. I don't know what is wrong with me sometimes, it's like I get brain lock when dealing with a new device. There is nothing mysterious here at all.

The video very clearly points out that with the same bulb on the output as is on the input due to tuning extra energy in gained.

I needed that video VIDBID

Mike

[Web000x]

Thanks for this pep talk on resonant tuning. I don't know what is wrong with me sometimes, it's like I get brain lock when dealing with a new device. There is nothing mysterious here at all.

The video very clearly points out that with the same bulb on the output as is on the input due to tuning extra energy in gained.

I needed that video VIDBID

Mike

Don't let that video fool you Mike. That video isn't showing a gain in energy. It is showing how energy PROPAGATES from one resonant circuit to another. It is a simple video showing the effects of resonance. If you want to ask the publisher, it is username Amagdn03 from the Energetic Forum. He'll tell you the same thing.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Just Foolin

Don't let that video fool you Mike. That video isn't showing a gain in energy. It is showing how energy PROPAGATES from one resonant circuit to another. It is a simple video showing the effects of resonance. If you want to ask the publisher, it is username Amagdn03 from the Energetic Forum. He'll tell you the same thing.

Dave

oh really? @Dave are you kidding me? I will take your word for it. So the voltage and the amperage is to low to light the first bulb in the primary but it will light the second bulb bright because the voltage and current are way up??


This is very interesting maybe the voltage in the primary went to 100volts @zero amps? then it translates down in the secondary coil.

Not a bad idea. Still I don't know.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Resonant tanks

Another thought is when i watched Mr Clean show his input LED go out the current never changed much. It dropped but the current was still there.

So resonant tuning much choke off the voltage in some cases.

Mike

[Web000x]

oh really? @Dave are you kidding me? I will take your word for it. So the voltage and the amperage is to low to light the first bulb in the primary but it will light the second bulb bright because the voltage and current are way up??


This is very interesting maybe the voltage in the primary went to 100volts @zero amps? then it translates down in the secondary coil.

Not a bad idea. Still I don't know.

Mike

The input side has a parallel resonant circuit in series with the lamp. Parallel resonance acts as a very large impedance. Basically, when the oscillations are started, it takes minimal energy input to maintain them. This is why the lamp extinguishes on the primary side at resonance. It's like when you are pushing a child in a swing. Very little energy is expended keeping the child swinging.

On the secondary side, there is a series resonant circuit with respect to the load. Since the load is contained inside of the resonant circuit, it sees every bit of current oscillating back and forth in the tank circuit. This is why the lamp lights.

If you were to look at the phase angle between voltage and current in the primary, you'd see just enough of a positive power factor to account for the energy dissipating in the secondary load. If you tried to add a bigger load on the secondary, you'd probably see the lamp on the primary start to light up as the primary expends more energy to account for the increased load. You'd also see your phase angle show an increased positive power factor.

There is a lot in electrical engineering that will trick you if you aren't very familiar with impedances, power factors, phase angles, inductance, capacitance, etc. It is a never ending journey.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Resonant tuning.

There is a lot in electrical engineering that will trick you if you aren't very familiar with impedances, power factors, phase angles, inductance, capacitance, etc. It is a never ending journey.

Dave

Hi Dave

Great to hear someone putting these common ideas into simple terminology. I kind of figured that the video with the young man displaying these circuits a normal science experiment that all the boys and girls do for openers, yet still I don't know with such a journey as this, we might even see other energies entering these Bi-toroid transformers.

We got to keep after it dreaming and observing the experiment.

On the other hand Mr Clean had both his primary and secondary set with a series bulb and this is the phenomenon we are seeking.

There are circuits and THEN there are circuits. Why do I say it this way? I think experimenters who don't stay open to a new energy not in our books will never see it.

Even so I think Clean showed us something very valuable. Did you see the real deal where Clean had the LED light bulbs changing brightness?

Very interesting effect I mean to tell you with both primary and secondary set with an LED in series he had a third one in BiTT mode all lit up.

Searching for the (Not resonance) place where the light is dim on the primary and the 2 secondaries full bright.

I don't know what it is about these BiTT/SFT2 that puzzles me and like you said Dave the circuit shows some resonant characteristics maybe in the form of a harmonic but is not quite on Q.

The simple Simon Tesla coil stuff with resonant tuning has always been lacking and we may be on to it. The clue we are looking for is the leading current.

I think some people had witnessed the leading current on the scope.

Normal transformers do not do this. The next step it to loop. A complex loop is the only answer. The circuit must be maintained by the source battery with some of the excess sent back to keep the input alive and in full operation.

Maybe we can still learn something

Starting at 30hz pulse dc not even a pure sine wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LBn...DkyG9 &index=7

Mike