Self Charging ?

[Slider2732]

Just to draw attention to a video by PMMG4HYBRID.

His latest video shows a bank of caps, connected to a mildly modified DC motor that turns a generator...whereby the system appears to charge up the caps as it runs.
The caps hold their charge at the end of the test and, he seems to only end the test, because of the caps filling to capacity.

SELF CHARGING? - YouTube

[Web000x]

Here is another video that shows the significance of the motor he is using.
STARGATE MOTOR FULL DEMO - YouTube

Dave

[FRC]

This was also posted on the Lockridge thread. If you check out PMMG4HYBRID.
youtube channel. He has another video on How to make a magnetic generator.
It just seems to be an advertizement. It shows the same axial flux generator
running itself without the DC motor. This just seems to raise more questions.
What is this guy up to ?

George

[Slider2732]

Thanks for the extra info

I saw his Stargate in another vid only a couple of days ago, just happened upon the channel. He had placed neodymiums outside of the apparently otherwise stock 24V motor, in the 'Stargate' holder unit that goes around it.

A fascinating foray...but you say it's only to advertise a product George ?
Well, in my opinion, if this stuff does this stuff for real, best wishes to his venture !...see how I mean ?


I'm having anomalous results here - with something partially related and that definitely needs more looking into. Recently i've been building tiny Bedini SSG type circuits and hoping to get back to whatever the heck happened last year with one Hall sensor based motor (it was hotglued to the worktable and messed up on removal)
Using PMMG4HYBRID's technique of tapping a run cap today, a salvaged 3.7V li-ion, used for weeks now with no charge up, has risen to 4.17V

The method:
Bedini SSG standard circuit (850 wind bifilar of 26 gauge, welding rods core, C1237 transistor, 100ohm resistor, 4x 1/4" ish neo pieces on a PC fan rotor)
Replace Base to Emitter diode with an LED.
Feed throughput of the LED via a germanium diode from the positive of the LED (else the circuit quits), out to a cap bank arranged something like as seen in the video above.
The first cap is a 5.5V 1F supercap and that connects directly to the negative rail and via a 1N4148 to the positive rail.
Connected in series with that cap, are 2x 330uF 16V, 1x 3300uF 16V cap and another 5.5V 1F supercap.
When removing the second 1N4148 the circuit still runs, but the possible 'magic' disappears. The charging seemed to be best when the caps had no juice in them already.
The circuit will run for only a minute or so without the li-ion battery, it using 35mA when running.
Just odd, maybe, dunno yet.

erm just checked the battery again after posting and it's at 4.23V it's not been connected for 30 minutes.

[Slider2732]

Testing another 3.7V li-ion, it dropped from 3.61V to 3.59V after 4 minutes running. It has stayed at 3.60V for the past few minutes.
The cap bank had a partial charge of 2.68V when the test started.
The difference has been to remove the second 1N4148 that originally fed back into the positive rail, such that the cap bank directly connects now to the positive rail.
So...i'll put the 1N4148 back in and flatten the caps, to emulate the original run.

Would be cool if this hinky cap bank thing does work. Bets are that the original cell just has weird chemistry

The original li-ion now sits at 4.24V and has remained there since the last post.

[boguslaw]

Thanks for the extra info

I saw his Stargate in another vid only a couple of days ago, just happened upon the channel. He had placed neodymiums outside of the apparently otherwise stock 24V motor, in the 'Stargate' holder unit that goes around it.

A fascinating foray...but you say it's only to advertise a product George ?
Well, in my opinion, if this stuff does this stuff for real, best wishes to his venture !...see how I mean ?


I'm having anomalous results here - with something partially related and that definitely needs more looking into. Recently i've been building tiny Bedini SSG type circuits and hoping to get back to whatever the heck happened last year with one Hall sensor based motor (it was hotglued to the worktable and messed up on removal)
Using PMMG4HYBRID's technique of tapping a run cap today, a salvaged 3.7V li-ion, used for weeks now with no charge up, has risen to 4.17V

The method:
Bedini SSG standard circuit (850 wind bifilar of 26 gauge, welding rods core, C1237 transistor, 100ohm resistor, 4x 1/4" ish neo pieces on a PC fan rotor)
Replace Base to Emitter diode with an LED.
Feed throughput of the LED via a 1N4148 from the positive of the LED (else the circuit quits), out to a cap bank arranged something like as seen in the video above.
The first cap is a 5.5V 1F supercap and that connects directly to the negative rail and via a 1N4148 to the positive rail.
Connected in series with that cap, are 2x 330uF 16V, 1x 3300uF 16V cap and another 5.5V 1F supercap.
When removing the second 1N4148 the circuit still runs, but the possible 'magic' disappears. The charging seemed to be best when the caps had no juice in them already.
The circuit will run for only a minute or so without the li-ion battery, it using 35mA when running.
Just odd, maybe, dunno yet.

erm just checked the battery again after posting and it's at 4.23V it's not been connected for 30 minutes.

Please provide schematic, this is important. I had similiar results when I mistakenly connected transistor in ssg. With pulse crude power supply I've got solid state ssg running and fast charging batteries.That was long time ago.

[Slider2732]

Yes, will do. I was holding off on such a thing until more tests confirmed or rubbished the original findings. But, did feel it wise to explain how my setup was, well, setup

I'll get on to it !

However, all that is majorly different, is to replace the regular Base to Emitter diode with an LED and use the throughput there as the charge output.
The Collector of the transistor is now only used to power the run coil.
The LED shows when the circuit is firing and was why I put it there, in place of the usual diode.
Then decided that while there was enough power to light the LED at 3.7V and that it was below the blow up voltage of the transistor, to try experiments using it. It'll still presumably work with a 1N4007 etc in bigger setups...but just take the energy from across it and use a diode from the positive side, to keep the circuit running.

[Slider2732]

Here's a pic of my setup running, for size reference:



Also, sorry, the 2 smaller caps are 1000uF 16V. They were to be 330's until I found the other two.

[Farmhand]

Hi Slider, I think whats happening in that video is he has 5 big caps maybe 1 farad
each and the bigger (physical size) cap is much smaller. So when he uses
energy from the
three caps the charge gets spread across all the caps but because of the one
cap which is much less capacity when that happens the voltage is more.

It's not clear if all the caps are charged or not at the beginning. It looks to be
a case of an efficient setup showing a strange effect. There was no load and
he allowed it to run for a very short time but talked for ages without saying
anything much.

Even if it is showing an effect of some kind, that is a lot to build to see it.
Anyway that's what I think so far on that one.

Cheers

[Slider2732]

Yeah, while he was talking I was thinking of parlour tricks, slight of hand type of thing.
That could well be doing the chap a huge disservice though.
It prompted my own cap bank foray though, and, perhaps some weird results. That first battery has definitely held at 4.25V now, the second battery is being trialled.

Here's the circuit i'm using:



Mistake on the diagram - D1 is the LED, D2 is a germanium 1N94 type.
Maybe the D3 is needed, maybe not.
It'll run on the caps alone for a minute without the D3, but will charge the caps very slowly and possibly pass energy to the battery with it in place.
If nothing else, many people will have homebuilt SSG's and can connect things up to try the idea out

[Aaron]

questions

There are many questions that need to be answered.

In his 3rd demo in the Stargate motor demo where it goes to 10k rpm...

He states in the self charging demo that motor is designed to run at 24v. He is running it on only 12v in the stargate demo. When he does the 10k rpm demo, he doesn't even show any meters on it for that demo and he could be running in on 48v for all we know. If any one is talking to him, maybe he can show the fast demo while actually showing the meters.

Also, on the Howard Johnson demo, I hope everyone realizes that when the car is pinned at the back at the start of the track, it is COCKED like compressing a spring but he fails to admit or point this out. Let him show pushing the car from off the track onto the track at that point to see how much cogging effect he has that he is cocking the car against. That is where a majority of the acceleration is coming from when he releases it. Anyone that has experimented with linear tracks knows this and the Howard Johnson setup is not an exception to this. That entire demonstration is completely misleading. I can cock some magnets like this on a linear track setup and show this acceleration in a multitude of variations - why claim it is the gate that is pulling the car in and accelerating it out when the car is starting from a magnetically compressed state to begin with???

He did make a comments on his own video about the caps with a question - are the caps being conditioned from millions of high voltage spikes coming into the cap? Not enough info to know but I know for a fact that you can condition caps with HV and they act like electrets and the voltage climbs by them self very easily.

He obviously has a good budget to work with as his self charging demo unit is a beautiful build using apparently high end materials with incredible craftsmanship - so why show all these demos without actually showing anything. Where are the diagrams for the magnetic setup, etc... missing meter readings from the high speed stargate demo, showing a linear track demo with the car pre-cocked without explaining that, etc... this is all very suspicious.

[Slider2732]

It is suspicious !
Thanks for your input Aaron, especially as another valued person with more experience in your shoelaces than many of us have.
Quite why he would spend time and money on a ruse would be the main problem. I understand people wishing some infamy upon themselves, depression, frustration, whatever. But...by creating cool looking stuff ?
And, here I have this daft li-ion here, which sits apparently charged up and you know i'm not going to fake anything. I may get confused, have results that later can be explained, but at least it's there to get shot down as openly as possible

The second li-ion presently sits at 3.55V, it's used 0.06V in about an hour of runs. That's not bad, but nowhere like the first battery.
What was different in those early tests ? dunno, i'll carry on spinning the wheel and will try different types of batteries.
Meanwhile, what I can say, is that as mentioned above, the charged one has been used extensively in recent work with similar small radiant circuits - could it indeed be down to prior radiant conditioning ?
But then again, huh? radiantly conditioned li-ion

[FRC]

Thanks Slider2732 and Aaron

Thanks Slider2732, I always get a lot out of your experiments. Really like your videos. Would be nice to see one on this current experiment. And thanks Aaron
for raising more questions about these PMMG4HYBRID videos. Seems like there
is some truth to them being mixed with some deception. Its all very confusing.
What is the motive ?

George

[mbrownn]

yes this does look like a professional quality build and is interesting but we need more info to know what is really happening and so won't comment as to what is going on there but I did place a comment on the Lockridge thread postulating some implications. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post177713

[Slider2732]

@FRC - Thanks for your kind words
I haven't posted as many videos recently, due to getting to grips with Bedini SSG circuits and understanding multi-filar coils more.
I'm delighted to see that you and mbrownn (and the others of the interested team on the Lockridge thread) are actively wishing to sort through and suss out and crack it.

I've had possibly odd effects on pulse motors before now, but had never thought to check for cap interactions. Didn't think anything of a cap in parallel with a battery, just ignored it, being as a few uF weren't thought to be anything like the 'equivalent' thousands of Farads of a battery !
From my May2011 thread here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ge-effect.html
"In the videos there is a 1000uF 16V cap also present, but it was simply left there in situ during tests before the effect was noted and video taken."
THAT's why this whole thing with the YouTube chap and his capbank method is so appealing.

Further to those thoughts, i've just taken a vid, that shows this li-ion recharging back up. The 4th time it's done so by using the circuit posted above. The battery has only been used in the last couple of days with that circuit to charge it.

Bedini/White Crow - capbank li-ion self charging - YouTube