LFTR Technology

[Nakai]

Howdy! So recently my friend made a website and an article was posted regarding this source of energy and I wanted to hear thoughts on it, so I googled and stumbled upon this place. Have yall heard about this? What do yall think and why have I not heard of this before if its so awesome :S ? It seems almost too good to be true

Emergency! LFTR Technology could change the world! | Talking Points

[Nakai]

More or less the idea is that it is nuclear energy but without all of the dangers and problems that come with the standard nuclear energy. Its super cool.

[Dave45]

That should at least keep the power in the elites hands
We need Free energy for a Free people
dave

[Nakai]

That should at least keep the power in the elites hands
We need Free energy for a Free people
dave

Supply + demand, right? If this is as effective as it says, one would expect the abundance of energy to drive costs down to nearly free once the infrastructure solidifies in place. The maintenance costs seem smaller than for, say, solar panels or other forms of alternative energy too. What plausible alternative energy plan do you have that makes energy free in a way that this does not?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Nakai, What is the opposite of free, get rid of this opposite that eventually centralizes power into a very few hands, then all the suppressed technologies will be available to all humanity.
Any centralized structure, inevitably erodes self sufficiency.
One does not have to look very far or deep to see the symptoms of this thing that is the opposite of free.
Inside the very computer monitor i use to type this message, they engineered on purpose, predetermined obsolescence.
By using underrated voltage capacitors, that would leak within a few years, causing monitor to not function.
Though i replaced capacitors and it should last for at least 10 years now, rather than 2 or 3 years.
Supply and demand thinking, is a strategy based idea, for extracting more profits.
Observing the intentions and motivations of any structure, group, organization, system or gang is more productive use of thought energy.
There is an abundance of inventions already invented to replace all centralized energy control structures.
Though you see, it is all about intention and motivation.
Is the intention to make all humanity truly free and self sufficient or is the intention to control humanity.
By their fruits, you shall know them, is a very good way to know if something is for the good of all or not.
good luck on the path of discernment and awareness.
peace love light
tyson

[Nakai]

Humans are not beings that CAN exist in a state of complete self sufficiency, we are communal animals, and even if we somehow make energy free, the production of those things that use energy would still require others, tying us to interdependence regardless, yes?

Complete self sufficiency is both unrealistic and undesirable. Rather than moving towards complete self sufficiency we should move towards ease of access and abundance - these things combined would deliver more to humanity's freedom and drive costs down more than having a system where each individual controlled their own energy source (which, by the way, would cost money, unless they harvest the minerals used to contruct their solar panels and mold them themselves, in which case it would still cost the opportunity cost spent in the form of time).

The problem of a small number of people forcing abundance into an artificially low supply to raise prices is a different issue altogether, and it can be solved in ways that are far simpler than moving towards absolute self sufficiency in energy production.

Just my opinion :P

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Nakai, thanks for that reply, though what I am trying to convey to you is the simple fact that all the lack or scarcity you may see in the world, is fake and engineered to appear that way.
It is your choice to believe what you wish.
Though in my experience in life thus far, is that when observing everything without judgment or bias or preconceived beliefs, one can see more clearly how this reality is truly functioning.
Your belief that an individual human being cannot eventually become self sufficient, is only a belief and an opinion and has no basis in true reality.
The only way to find a solution to an issue (problem), is to think outside the ways of thinking that caused the issue in the first place.
peace love light
tyson

[Nakai]

So what form of energy is completely self sufficient O.o ?

[Nakai]

Also, even if such a technology exists, what product uses electricity that one could get without relying on someone else?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Nakai, that something that is opposite to free and is what interjects itself between human interactions of all that regards basic needs, is what needs to be altered.
The interdependence you may think of just might be totally opposite to what a few in this world have in mind.
Interdependence in a fair and balanced manner is fine, it is when the thing opposite to free, that opposite of free being anything which places itself between one human being and another human beings interactions, whether that interaction is the exchange of goods, services, materials etc., etc., etc..
When this is allowed to happen, which it has been occurring on this planet for some time now, allows a very few human beings to dictate our interactions.

To expand, I am also trying to convey, that not only do those that still persist on maintaining this control between human being interactions, because it enables them to extract our time, energy, labor, material items, etc.. they also do everything to prevent human beings from becoming as self sufficient as is possible, why again, because the more self sufficient we can become, the less control those few will have over our interactions and what we can do on planet earth.
Earthships, which use the power of the sun mainly to heat the home by thermal mass storage is a great start.
you see, one cannot fix a seeming problem, if one is ignorant of why the problem exists. Thus is why i am offering my expanded views, so we as the people of earth, can rise above these manipulators of humanity and their systems of control.
My words are appropriate and relevant anywhere a human being has the ears to hear and eyes to see and read.
peace love light
tyson

[Farmhand]

Hi Nakai,

I agree with Skywatcher's wise words, communities cannot build and run a
thorium reactor, but a community could build and run a wind or solar farm or
similar. The thing most of us want is decentralized energy and less control of
our lives. Trading with others is fine. Trade was around before money or
centralized energy. You seem to think that if people didn't have to pay for
their electrical energy all trade would cease, I think it would increase. Free
self supplied or community supplied energy would see an increased demand for
more electrical appliances.

Interdependence is ok too and is a lot different from dependence, we are
mostly forced into a situation of competing with each other on a day by day
basis to get stuff and money from each other, we should be encouraged to
co-operate with each other each day for mutual benefit instead.

Bottom line is nobody or corp. needs our approval to build thorium reactors,
but they do need our time converted to work then money and given to them
for the energy the reactors would produce for it to be worth their while.

So why is it exactly that thorium reactors are so safe ? Technically speaking.
The Chinese I believe have been using pelletized or beaded fuel in some
reactors because of safety factors and being able to better control the
amount of fuel in the reactor or something like that rather than have large
solid fuel rods. Is that reactor design better than the ones at Japan were ?

Is any nuclear reactor safe ? Is there radioactive waste produced by a thorium reactor ?

Most people I think have no problem with being interdependent, but there are
a few of the basics of life we would like the grubby fingers of greed and profit
to stay out of ie, shelter, food/water, light and heat would be a good start.

People who are more independent are less likely to bow to the wishes of the
greedy and are more likely to co-operate with others for mutual benefit and
less likely to harm or take from others to gain access to overpriced goods
made for profit.

Cheers

[shawnnweed]

great

Howdy! So recently my friend made a website and an article was posted regarding this source of energy and I wanted to hear thoughts on it, so I googled and stumbled upon this place. Have yall heard about this? What do yall think and why have I not heard of this before if its so awesome :S ? It seems almost too good to be true

Emergency! LFTR Technology could change the world! | Talking Points

This is the first I have heard of it but was quiet impressed. Sounds like something that is viable and if so then could really benefit everyone; if the technology was shared. I would really like to see this go somehwere but it's like the guy said; a single prototype would cost in the region of a billion dollars and what billionaire is wiling to come off that kind of cash without a working model. But thanks for sharing the info.

,Shawn

[sykavy]

I've been following this tech for awhile and think it is a good compromise. Free Energy while it is a possibility will not be coming in a big way unless you build it yourself. So many great ideas have fallen by the wayside, which is a shame, this could just by us some more time with a cleaner safer tech. LFTRs at least make a for profit incentive to have cheaper energy right now!
The other advantage is also to be seen in windmill manufacturing. Thorium is a by-product of rare earth minerals. Right now China has cornered the market in rare earth minerals because of the problem of deposing the Thorium by-product. This could drive down the price of super magnets.

Another benefit is LFTRs can consume nuclear waste that already exists.

One of the most beneficial parts of LFTRs is the possibility of desalinating water. This is one of our greatest problems right now--clean water. I see it as an and/with not a either/or. Baby steps to a cleaner freer world.

I don't know if this was posted but this video is just great for any geeks who want to understand nuclear energy better.
LFTR in 5 Minutes - THORIUM REMIX 2011 - YouTube

Another thought is that for manufacturing large amounts of energy is necessary, LFTRs could be used for industrial uses too and not so much for homes.

[ashtweth]

The main downsides/negatives to this technology, politics, corrosion and being scared of nuclear radiation. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors were created 50 years ago by an American chap named Alvin Weinberg, but the American Government realised you can't weaponise the by-products and so they weren't interested.

[Armagdn03]

Humans are not beings that CAN exist in a state of complete self sufficiency, we are communal animals, and even if we somehow make energy free, the production of those things that use energy would still require others, tying us to interdependence regardless, yes?

Complete self sufficiency is both unrealistic and undesirable. Rather than moving towards complete self sufficiency we should move towards ease of access and abundance - these things combined would deliver more to humanity's freedom and drive costs down more than having a system where each individual controlled their own energy source (which, by the way, would cost money, unless they harvest the minerals used to contruct their solar panels and mold them themselves, in which case it would still cost the opportunity cost spent in the form of time).

The problem of a small number of people forcing abundance into an artificially low supply to raise prices is a different issue altogether, and it can be solved in ways that are far simpler than moving towards absolute self sufficiency in energy production.

Just my opinion :P

I believe they are talking about self sufficiency as a community, not individual. Decentralization of key things such as energy, food, health etc.