My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[Cornboy 555]

For dummies like ME!

Thanks Wayne! These guys do Gerber data! And reasonably priced! Well I am intimately familiar with the circuit now putting it in ExpressPCB tools anyway. It has helped doing dry runs with the circuit diagrams and filled in some blanks for me on the BOM. Here is a comparison of pricing models.

OSHPark 3 monster drvr boards ($5/sq.in.) $50 $16.66/bd
ExPCB 4 monster drvr boards $100 $25/bd

OSHPark 20 monster drvr boards ($1/sq.in.) $200 $10/bd 150sq.in. min lots of 10
ExPCB 20 monster drvr boards $235 $11.75/bd proto pricing, have not investigated production pricing

No running design unde EcPCB still.

To get the Gerber data files, you must install Target 3001, load the JS/prochiro/DH files and extract the gerber files.

Hey Sampojo, if you use OSHPark, can you please ask them to allocate a part number to the Monster board, so everyone can order without having to send all the files.

Much Appreciated, Cornboy.

[sampojo]

Som T3001 Monster Driver Board V5.1 questions

Don H., Prochiro

Is it correct that the Monster Driver board may be considered a single layer board with all active connections made on just one side of the board?

Trying to match up the Gerber data files to OSHPark standards.

The Express PCB design I have decided absolutely needs to the JS layout of heavy wire traces being equidistant.

Looking at Don Haas's FET board I have a question. Do you have to add on the 10ga insulated jumper wire connections in the symmetric pattern?

Thanx guys!

[prochiro]

@ Sampojo
I have only used single sided boards
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/sou35y811ydo2f3/WRgnkBmL-n
The wire is preformed, soldered in at the ends and filled with solder.
Dana

[sampojo]

JS Monster Board V5.1 going into production

Arrangements being made to post on OshPark Store URL. No details yet. Be able to order the PCB board (only) to 1ea., i.e. or as many as you want.

This is produced from the gerber files of the MD V5.1 T3001 files in Dana's post 1981

The OSHPark system required that a copy of the bottom layer file be added, renamed as a top layer file since the Monster driver is single layer and the OP system default is double layer.

Improvement should be collected for follow-on versions. Dana has mentioned some tight assembly areas and traces burning up as they may be too thin at some junctions.

[jimm]

what an I missing here?

the circuits posted here resemble standard boost regulator concepts used in electronic power conversion.
The only difference, as I think as I understand it, is that max V is desired due to the lack of a LC circuit or specific timing.

V = L (dI/dt)

Where is the "free" anything?
It takes power to run the circuit, and the energy was was stored in the magnetic field until it suddenly collapses, resulting in a HV spike. the steeper the square wave (fast rise, fall times) the better.

BTW look into the MUR360 fast recovery diodes (50ns) for better results. You may have to put several in series if you get large spikes. The in4007 is way too slow.

What am I missing?

[sampojo]

Jimm, circuit drives an asymmetric motor

Hi Jimm, this is just a super tough PWM that can handle huge spikes of back emf radiant energy without frying, hence Monster Driver. At the beginnig of the thread Ufo shows how to reveal the presence and draw out Radiant energy in a static coil. This pulsing concept is now being applied to multiple dynamic coils in his asymmetric motor thread. We are making the motor convert the Radiant energy into mechanical energy, and then drive a convention AC brushless generator head with it. The machine becomes what is known as a prime mover in power generation

Play with the numbers:

Linear feed Performance
Demonstrated post 3132 Video: ONE_ENERGY_METER_READOUT_TEST_1 - YouTube

input 800watts , output 1020

Ufo Introduces pulsing to manipulate amperage:
Solenoid pulsing Discussed: Post 3705
Video: ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE SWITCH AT 12V

By manipulating amperage he means lowering it explains again Post 3716

Demonstrates amperage does not increase when pulsed and load is increased.
Post 3718: Video: Electromagnetic Pulse Switch, Parallel In Dual Gates 36V - YouTube This is where the rubber meets the road, in defiance of conventional electric motor performance.

Prochiro pulsing performance using Monster Driver Board
Post 4500, commented on by UFO Post 4504

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[jimm]

Thanks for the condensed explanation, now it makes more sense.
The "turbo boost" concept is very "Tesla-like with harmonic timed pulses.
The PWM is good idea to avoid runaway with load variations.
That "clacker" has to go! I 'm sure some adequate mosfets can be employed there. You may even consider back emf recovery circuits that siphoned it off and re-inject it into the the power system rather than the standard D-S diode shunt.

However, I know a guy who was doing experiments on another interesting concept who called me up saying that "he had done it". I went over to see, only to discover that the test methods were inaccurate, leading him to improper conclusions.
Those instruments are not recoding everything that is going on like a a DSO might.

The pulse and driver system energy has to considered as well as the main power draw. Judging by the wires, it appears to be substantial.
If everything pans out, this is a very cool twist on DC motors. It could mean long range electric vehicles!

[sampojo]

Siphoning off back EMF

@jimm
UFO always had us looking at his extra sets of brushes as a generator as we built his asym motor designs. The voltages there were always lower than input. The Imperial has 4 staters. This translates to the motor having 4 brush pairs, of which in the original usage as a motor-generator, it would use 2 pairs for generator output. I think much of the BEMF is generally being used as a coil rotates off a commutator element, to assist in rotation and what voltage left behind that we have been trying to use is essentially like waste heat of a furnace going up the chimney. Not much there. Now recently I have come to understand that UFO has instructed replicators to use all 4 brush pairs to drive the machine. It seems the lady as we affectionately call radiant energy, rewards this activity in higher multiples... As long as it is a pulsed input.

PS: the "clacker" was just how UFO had to introduce and clarify how the two threads worked together, and how his motors must be pulsed to realize the dream. Circuitry at that time could not drive the Imperial And the monster driver circuit had not been developed yet.

[iankoglin]

Kogs Update

G'day All my Dear friends on these 2 Forums

OK I replaced all of the Bidirectional Diodes and soldered them in and the original Mosfets .
I then reduced the Aux power to 12v connected the circuit to an Un modified "MY 250w motor" it was running it OK I then connected it up to a "MY1000watt motor" also un modified it went OK too the Mosfets were just a bit warm I tied to stop each motor by pressing a piece of soft wood against the shaft they both almost stopped but the amps of each motor only increased by a bit under 1 amp extra on each motor. and the amps to the driver did not really change.

I am very pleased with the results and will make some videos to show the results when I clean up my work bench and find my wife's Video camera.

.
I will keep you all posted.

G'day et al
I finally cleaned up my shed and set up my Monster driver to make a video
I connected everything up and switched it on

The motor turned once then stopped I switched it off checked everything and switched on again it turned once and stopped

I thought I would disconnected all the wires and check the Mosfets I discovered that the Negative to the circuit was really not connected It only looked like it was.
I connected it securely this time and switched on again this time it spun up BUT as I turned the pot the speed didn't change.
I tested the output of the Oscillator it was reading OK so the monster Driver must have something Blown the MIC 4452YN was hot so I think it is the problem
I have to fix it and Make another Monster driver

Kindest Regards to you all

Kogs slowly but getting there

[GChilders]

Arduino PWM signals

Hi,

I am not new to this thread but have not thought that I had anything to contribute being a fellow student of this technology. But I have a suggestion for Dana and Hitby3K and Sampojo. The pwm pins can have a duty cycle of 0 to 255. This is utilized by the fade program to fade the intensity of the leds. In order to use this effectively for motor control try turning off the leds after the wait period. This would enable you to use the full range of the duty cycle to increase the voltage at the base of the mosfets which will allow more voltage to go to the motor coils. This would increase the torque going to the motor when the gen head gets a larger load and slows the rpms down. If combined with a tachometer you could get automatic speed control by using a select case coupled with several loops that would increase the duty cycle from its current point by say 5 point increments and if the rpms drop below 3400 say 10 point increments . You would be able to determine the appropriate wait period and duty cycle for the load.
Here is a simple program that demonstrates the idea.

/*
Fade 4 LED

This example shows how to fade an 4 LEDs on pins 6, 9, 10 and 11
using the analogWrite() function.

This example code is in the public domain.
*/
int blueLED = 11;
int greenLED=10;
int redLED = 9;
int yellowLED = 6; // the pin that the LED is attached to
int brightness = 0; // how bright the LED is
int fadeAmount = 5; // how many points to fade the LED by
int wait = 100;
// the setup routine runs once when you press reset:
void setup() {
// declare pins 6, 9, 10, 11 to be an output:
pinMode(blueLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(greenLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(yellowLED, OUTPUT);
pinMode(redLED, OUTPUT);
}

// the loop routine runs over and over again forever:
void loop() {
// set the brightness of pin 11:
analogWrite(blueLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(blueLED, 0);
// set the brightness of pin 10:
analogWrite(greenLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(greenLED, 0);;
// set the brightness of pin 9:
analogWrite(redLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(redLED, 0);
// set the brightness of pin 6:
analogWrite(yellowLED, brightness);
// wait for milliseconds to see the dimming effect
delay(wait);
// turn off led
analogWrite(yellowLED, 0);

// change the brightness for next time through the loop:
brightness = brightness + fadeAmount;

// reverse the direction of the fading at the ends of the fade:
if (brightness == 0 || brightness == 255) {
fadeAmount = -fadeAmount ;
}
}

This program increases the intensity of the leds every 1/10 of a second or 100 milliseconds. it clearly demonstrates the on and off of each pin. If you want to see a more dramatic fade effect more quickly then reduce the wait period to 10 milliseconds.

Cheers,

Garry

[sampojo]

Very nice programming contribution

Thanks Garry, am saving this one for when I get to buying the Arduino!

[prochiro]

My head is on top of my shoulders again.

Hell All
When I first wrote the previous code to pulse the motors on multiple lines, I was not concerned about how we did it in code, but that it worked. We got that. As GChilders so eloquently pointed out, the previous code does not follow current methods of code and function. I have rewritten the basic pulse program for those who are not up to date yet to use until they catch up. This is a basic, pot controlled setup that will run from one to six pulse lines for any motor. I have tested both the previous code and this new code and the difference in function is the same, but the new code is correct and smaller as well as how we get the pulses. This code has a frequency of 490 Hz and only duty is changed. Copy into Arduino and (Save). Change the (pulsecount ) to what number of pulse feeds you require and put 10K pot on (A1). Output pins used, depending on your (pulsecount ) run from top down in the list as 5,6,9,10,11 and 12. You can change these as you require.

I have updated the programs I am working on to this method as well.
Thank You GChilders for getting my head out of my As*.

Dana





/*
MultiPulser2_0

This example shows how to pulse 4 signals on pins 6, 9, 10 and 11
using the analogWrite() function.

This example code is in the public domain.
*/
int pulsecount = 4; // Change count to the number of pulses you need
// Use pins from top down to your count
int first=5;
int second=6;
int third = 9;
int forth = 10;
int fifth = 11;
int sixth=12;
int StartNumber =5;
int TopNumber = 253;
int wait = 25;
int dutypin = A1;
int dutyValue = 0;

void setup() {

// declare pins 6, 9, 10, 11 to be an output:
pinMode(first, OUTPUT);
pinMode(second, OUTPUT);
pinMode(third, OUTPUT);
pinMode(forth, OUTPUT);
pinMode(fifth, OUTPUT);
pinMode(sixth, OUTPUT);

}

void loop() {
dutyValue = (map(analogRead(dutypin), 0, 1023, 0, 255));
if (dutyValue < StartNumber){
dutyValue=0;
}
if (dutyValue > TopNumber){
dutyValue=255;
}


analogWrite(first, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(first, 0);

if (pulsecount>=2){
analogWrite(second, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(second, 0);
}

if (pulsecount>=3){
analogWrite(third, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(third, 0);
}

if (pulsecount>=4){
analogWrite(forth, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(forth, 0);
}

if (pulsecount>=5){
analogWrite(fifth, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(fifth, 0);
}

if (pulsecount>=6){
analogWrite(sixth, dutyValue);
delay(wait);
analogWrite(sixth, 0);
}


}

[Hitby13kw]

post 2038 PWM code ?

Dana many thanks for this implementation &Garry thanks for inspiring Dana . . .
I’m still trying to understand theworkings of the analogWrite() command

When testing the ‘MultiPulser2_0’ code with LEDs we find thatpins 5, 6, 9, 10 are the ones changing (but I like the way they dim)

Question about “intsixth=12;” can we use pin12? Doesn’t it need to be a PWM pin (like 3)

Will have to try this on my monster driver

Hitby13kw

[prochiro]

Hitby
You may need to change the pins as you said for some Arduino boards. I use the mega2560 where 2 thru 13 are PWM pins. Just for fun, set code to 2 leads and check out the outputs on a scope.
Dana

[Hitby13kw]

Dana,
Thanks again for confirming that we are OK – forgot that you were the mega man – its just me and my uno

not sure if it was just a coincidence, sunspots, or something else . . . using the ‘QuadBlink1’code as my timing source has worked (and I never lost any FETs) however using ‘MultiPulser2_0’ after only a short run it looks like 3 of the 4 FET switches are down for the count, I was actually glad when they quit (its way to hot outside today!!) will move inside for analysis of the JS monster switches – air conditioning is our friend. Do you (or everyone else) maintain an earth ground connection to one side of the switch, or do you run with no ground connection? (think mine went open)

Was able to get some numbers before things went south, feeding DC power directly into the Imperial
no switching 89.5 Volts 19.2 Amps (1718.4 Watts) = 3100 RPM to the generator and it did show full voltage available however there was no electrical load applied.
With switching 93 Volts 15.6 Amps (1450.8 Watts) = 2900 RPM at the generator again no electrical load but it did show full voltage available.

Quick view of my setup https://www.dropbox.com/s/6szl0j9nmcrkovq/SAM_0204.JPG

hitby13kw