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  • I am very glad Glen!

    Originally posted by GlenWV View Post
    Greetings all:

    After reversing the LM317 on the pcb (Bob's updated print), four cfl bulbs are burning on my test set.

    I have 3 caps, (1.0, 0.1, and 0.01 mfd), set up on the pcb so the cap value can be changed by removing and re-soldering a jumper. (Next build will have a rotary switch for this.) Also using 3each, 100K pots for frequency control.

    My coils are 18ga wire wound on old solder spools and measure around 2 ohms and 3 ohms. The FETs are IRF260N, left over from another project. The high-speed switching diodes that I am using are not as on Bob's drawing and are just a bit slower, but will handle more current. (I'll post the part number later.)

    So, it's a starting point for me and another successful replication of the information provided by Mr. UFO. Thank you sir. (you too, Bob.)

    gl.

    Hello Glen,

    Well, that's great that you have been able to be successful in my set up!!
    And yes it is a great start, no accidents (which is great)...But you must now "tune" your circuit to get Max performance out of it...
    The Diodes are like the "Heart Pump" of this device, along with robust MOSFET's that can handle the ultra-fast switching...

    The NTE576 have a cross reference to UF505...and there are others also within same spec's...their recovery time goes down to 35 nanoseconds, and in my list from NTE they are the fastest ones.

    But you have made it, and I am very glad you did!!


    Regards


    Ufopolitics
    Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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    • To All Successful Replication Tests Members.

      Hello to all and congratulations!!

      There is one particular test that I would like You to do, since you have this system running and lighting CFL's.

      I have a video link below, where I conducted that test, and it is very simple.

      RADIANT ENERGY/COLD ELECTRICITY RESISTANCE TEST 1 & 2 - YouTube

      It is a Solid Proof, that this kind of Electricity obtained after the diodes IS Definitively NOT an Inductive Generated typical Hot Electricity feedback...

      TEST:
      Right at the Positive-Negative terminals of the CFL connected at output (Load, After Diodes, Radiant Energy Out), please attach two copper strong wires in a hook shape, cover them with solder (for better contact, and also to prove solder will not melt). This two hooks extended will allow for you to just "drop" there a small resistor of 10K or smaller (7 or even 5K)
      When Light is On, have ready an Infrared Temperature Reader...and drop resistor between the two copper hooks...Meaning, You are SHORTING OUT the LOAD. and watch temperature...and the fact that CFL will not even blink...

      Now, if you do this same test with just the HOT INPUT (before diodes)...
      The Resistor will burst on flames...the CFL will dim out and probably you will blow your MOSFET'S...and more damage...SO, DO NOT DO IT FROM HOT INPUT, unless you really want to cause all this damages!!


      IMPORTANT NOTE: Make sure you REALLY are getting Radiant at Output!!, based on your type of diodes, I have specified the NTE576/UF505...TO PLAY SAFE (if you are not using the specified diodes, use 1N4804 [small crystal diodes] after the big diodes to do a final filtering and blocking of Hot)...Now, any other diode that does not have same or very close spec's will "LEAK" HOT in your Output, therefore resistor could get hot or short out and cause damages. Please make sure of reading this before performing this test!!

      If you could , please film it and place it on You Tube or other video up-loader like Facebook or else. Or at least take a snap shot of it.


      I really appreciate you doing this, and at same token, it will prove that you are dealing here with a different kind of electricity.


      Thanks very much!!


      Regards to All!


      Ufopolitics
      Last edited by Ufopolitics; 06-01-2012, 08:21 PM.
      Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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      • Hi UFO

        Can't you read radiant energy on an O scope? I would like to see measurements of the power not just the effect. I can't calculate efficienties or scaling without numbers.
        Sorry if this has already been discussed and I missed it.

        Regards
        Larry

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        • FET's

          Originally posted by larryross View Post
          Hi UFO



          My 2SK2837 is repetitive avalanche rated... it was zero's IRF460 that was single avalanche rated. I plan to use 6 as you have, but would expect to be able to carry up to 480 pulsed Amps.

          Regards
          Larry
          Larry,

          These were $2.20 each and the NTE series cost $10 in Austalia and thought is worth grabbing 10. I will look into repetitive avalanche rated FET's for the next batch I grab.

          I may have to try different coils next due to my test circuit with a 555 based PWM circuit has worked the last few weeks and made a duplicate to ensure an accurate replicatable test. However, the LM339 circuit does not seem to want to play nice and I have issues now with that circuit

          I live in a sub-tropical climate and just hit winter and thus winding coils outside (my prefered method) is at the mercy of the elements.

          Enjoy the weekend.

          Regards
          Zero

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          • Hi UFO
            Guess I should have watched the last couple of videos. It was a strange wave signal more like several ping signals overlaid with several different level of DC components. Is there more video that shows the full wave form (at least two iterations). In the last video it looked like you got a few nipps (enough to make you jerk) Finally got enough stuff to start my oscillator circuit. Fets will probably be another couple of weeks. When I get the oscillator built and tested I will build the coil. I have been trying to analyse what goes on in the coils. I don't have a problem seeing it if it were just a secondary linked by magnetic flux, but it is also connected in series and the BEMF fed it. As the BEMF flows through it the changing field will try to induce a current in the primary. Uug it gives me a headache thinking about it.

            Later my friend
            Larry
            Last edited by larryross; 06-02-2012, 04:00 AM.

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            • Test result

              Did the test UFO requested (no video though).

              Clamping 10k resistor over the lamp using two soldered hooks, does not influence lamp light/brightness.
              The resistor stays cold.
              An neon on the hooks gets warm/hot though.
              Mosfet's and coil stay cold.

              This is the stuff I used for my circuit:
              First schema of Mad Scientist, with C1 0.01 uF and VR1 47k Pot, attached to two R1560P2 diodes.
              Powered the circuit with LM317 converting 24V to 13.5V.
              I am using four salvaged Mosfet's of type IRF840.
              Using three 12V5Ah Lead Acid batteries for driving the system.

              Thanks UFO

              Bert

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              • Thanks Bbem!!

                Originally posted by bbem View Post
                Did the test UFO requested (no video though).

                Clamping 10k resistor over the lamp using two soldered hooks, does not influence lamp light/brightness.
                The resistor stays cold.
                An neon on the hooks gets warm/hot though.
                Mosfet's and coil stay cold.

                This is the stuff I used for my circuit:
                First schema of Mad Scientist, with C1 0.01 uF and VR1 47k Pot, attached to two R1560P2 diodes.
                Powered the circuit with LM317 converting 24V to 13.5V.
                I am using four salvaged Mosfet's of type IRF840.
                Using three 12V5Ah Lead Acid batteries for driving the system.

                Thanks UFO

                Bert

                Great Bert!!

                Clamping 10k resistor over the lamp using two soldered hooks, does not influence lamp light/brightness.
                The resistor stays cold.
                Mosfet's and coil stay cold.
                Now, this results you have stated above... shorting out an On Load, and the System not even blinking, nor altering temperature, the Mosfet's not "blowing red in flames"...are "Attributes" that Hot Electricity will NEVER , EVER, respond to, as this outcome...


                And ANYONE Who disagrees ...please comment on my opinion above.



                An neon on the hooks gets warm/hot though.
                Bert, a neon does not have a filament, it does not short Radiant as a resistor "should"...Instead, the Neon will absorb that Energy and will manifest as to get really hot and bright...it is consuming part of the Radiant Energy from the Output...like connecting two lamps in parallel.

                Thanks for your test Bert!
                It also tells you your circuit set-up, is right on the spot!!


                Regards


                Ufopolitics
                Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                • More pics.

                  Glen,

                  Good to hear from you again. I'm still using the batteries you gave me...thanks. Do you have any more that I could get? I might make a trip out your way in the near future. I'm so glad to hear that the circuit is working for you. Dana has it working also, but some others are having trouble with it. (?)

                  UFO, the new test sounds like a blast. NO HEAT...I like it. I'll try it when I get back to testing. Right now I am building a couple of controllers and the CF coil.

                  I posted a close-up of the controller (under 2" square). Cute.

                  Bob

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                  • Hello Larry...

                    Originally posted by larryross View Post
                    Hi UFO
                    Guess I should have watched the last couple of videos. It was a strange wave signal more like several ping signals overlaid with several different level of DC components. Is there more video that shows the full wave form (at least two iterations). In the last video it looked like you got a few nipps (enough to make you jerk) Finally got enough stuff to start my oscillator circuit. Fets will probably be another couple of weeks. When I get the oscillator built and tested I will build the coil. I have been trying to analyse what goes on in the coils. I don't have a problem seeing it if it were just a secondary linked by magnetic flux, but it is also connected in series and the BEMF fed it. As the BEMF flows through it the changing field will try to induce a current in the primary. Uug it gives me a headache thinking about it.

                    Later my friend
                    Larry
                    Larry,

                    The best way to understand this system (for someone like You, an Engineer) is to think from the Electromagnetic Field Interactions, and NOT from the Electrical Field or Electrical currents interactions...
                    Many "weird things" occurs here that no one taught Us in School...therefore We have no explanations to...like :

                    1- Negative Induction...
                    2-Generation of an Opposite Magnetic Field to the One We have created in any given Coil...
                    3-Electromagnetic Resonance or Feedback...
                    4-Asymmetrical Systems...

                    And the list keeps going on...

                    However, all this, for now "unexplainable phenomena" for Us...was all written by Maxwell, Heaviside, Poynting and many others a long time ago(132 years)...The Asymmetrical Systems...But they were "disregarded" and "Symmetrized" by Nobel Prize Hendrik Lorentz...financed by J.P Morgan and Thomas Alva Edison...

                    I am making that video...please watch it when I upload it...

                    Thanks Larry


                    And Cheers!!...We are getting there!!


                    Ufopolitics
                    Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                    • To Larry Ross and All...

                      I recommend that you take a look at my other Thread...

                      http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...c-systems.html

                      Before I open the New Motor-Generator Thread...

                      It will make it easier for you to understand the roots of all this...that is NOT my Invention...and has existed all along for over One Hundred and Thirty Two Years...but, in the Darkness.


                      Regards to All


                      Ufopolitics
                      Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                      • My New Video about Symmetrical Systems

                        THE SYMMETRY OF DARKNESS - YouTube

                        Thanks for watching it!


                        Regards


                        Ufopolitics
                        Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                        • Video

                          UFO,

                          I watched your video and found it very good. Looking forward to the next one. I hope to be testing more soon.

                          Bob

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                          • @UFO,
                            Wow, very cool video you created there, cannot wait to see the sequel.
                            Bert

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                            • Thanks UFO for posting the YT clip about conventional electrodynamics system. The graphics are very good!

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                              • Hi UFO
                                I am in no way disagreeing with you, but interjecting some facts.

                                I think considering you have 2 different type of loads (one inductive and one resistive) that you would even get this effect with heavy/hot side. If the resister value is considerably larger (more resistant) than the lamps impedance, the current will take the easiest route (through the lamp) and very little will go through the resistor thus lamp not dimming and the resistor not getting warm. Now as the resistance approaches the impedance of the lamp you will see dimming. If you have 120V across the lamp and it is a 35W lamp then you will have less than 0.32 Ohm impedance. Try a 2 Ohm or smaller resistor and see what happens.
                                Also there hasn't been any discussion about the amount of current that will flow through the fets, but I am pretty confident that this circuit will not generate any where near enough current to heat up the fets to any extent if at all. The only ways the fets could be damaged would be for the voltage to exceed 400V or the driver circuit getting stuck on the on cycle then I believe the coil will melt before the fets are effected.
                                I am starting to build my circuit today so I will be able to answer some of these questions for my self and be able to analyse for my self what is going on. I am doing the LM339 circuit.
                                Remember I have a very open mind, but I also have a very strong need to know what if happening.
                                I have been to the sym vers asym site (very enlightening) and watched your last video... Thanks for all your trouble, your time, and your patients you are going through in order to present this. When we get to the full build and I can replicate it, I will be one to spread the word and help others to get there.

                                Regards
                                Larry


                                Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                                Great Bert!!



                                Now, this results you have stated above... shorting out an On Load, and the System not even blinking, nor altering temperature, the Mosfet's not "blowing red in flames"...are "Attributes" that Hot Electricity will NEVER , EVER, respond to, as this outcome...


                                And ANYONE Who disagrees ...please comment on my opinion above.





                                Bert, a neon does not have a filament, it does not short Radiant as a resistor "should"...Instead, the Neon will absorb that Energy and will manifest as to get really hot and bright...it is consuming part of the Radiant Energy from the Output...like connecting two lamps in parallel.

                                Thanks for your test Bert!
                                It also tells you your circuit set-up, is right on the spot!!


                                Regards


                                Ufopolitics

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