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  • Is Ok Larry...

    Originally posted by larryross View Post
    The problem with your experiment here is it isn't equal to the one you were comparing it to mainly because, In the first test you had an alternitive circuit (through the CFL) which is much lower in resistance so the current went through the CFL not the resister. In the next test you gave the current only one path and ya if you try to push 1200W (at 100% duty cycle basically DC) through a 1/4W resister it will fry very quickly.



    I will have to bow to you here for my stupidity. I failed to consider the power dissipation spec on the fet which is only 125W. I am not sure why a device is rated capable of 4000W would only handle 125W. Anyway so if you were at 100% duty cycle (basically DC)for the out put of the fets you would have potentially 36 amps out (short circuit). So if you had say a 2 Ohm load that would be 16 amps which would be 576W on your fets and with 6 in parallel you should have the ability to handle 750W with a derateing of 1W/degreeC above 25 degree C at Tc. This would cause the fets to get kind of warm to begin with then the heat will snowball quickly as it gets warmer. The power dissipation can be raised with heat sink and fan. A fet in a TO3 package might be a better choice than the TO220 or TO224.

    BTW the power dissipation of my 2SK2837 is 150W at Tc 25 degrees C, but doesn't give me a derateing spec. Think I will look for Fets with a higher power dissipation as this seems to be critical to endurance of this system.

    Check out the Fet in the file below. One of these would equal 30 of the NTE2397 Fets power dissipation wise.

    Hope I don't make too many more mistakes.

    Regards
    Larry
    Hey Larry, is Ok, we all make mistakes...

    I like that Fet you have posted, I have some similar of bigger case...The only problem I see with this type is their Gate Voltage up to 30V...and the problem I had in the past is that the low signal voltage sent from the IC does NOT even move them, and if they do...the chip can't put up with the draw at high frequencies switching...But, I am talking about the 555 timer, maybe this circuit (LM339) is different or else you would need a Mosfet Driver...and honestly I have been trying to avoid that...just to run it simple by now, till we get all the right frequencies and operation of the whole thing...

    About the tests...I will let you do them yourself...and then you let me know...

    Regards


    Ufopolitics
    Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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    • Cool

      Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
      THE SYMMETRY OF DARKNESS - YouTube

      Thanks for watching it!


      Regards


      Ufopolitics
      Hey Ufo,

      Nice clip and looks to be very time consuming in creating all that content

      I'm looking forward to see how the pairs of generator coil short out of phase at the peak of the sine wave (if N-S-N-S) effect the asymmetrical motor in the upcoming clip
      Also, if I'm close in my fundermental understanding of the principles of Tesla's and your motor concepts

      Regards
      Zero

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      • Time consuming...

        Originally posted by ZeropointEnergy View Post
        Hey Ufo,

        Nice clip and looks to be very time consuming in creating all that content

        I'm looking forward to see how the pairs of generator coil short out of phase at the peak of the sine wave (if N-S-N-S) effect the asymmetrical motor in the upcoming clip
        Also, if I'm close in my fundermental understanding of the principles of Tesla's and your motor concepts

        Regards
        Zero

        Hello ZPE,

        Not only "time consuming"...but requires a lot of expertise, experience in many different software's...so, with "just lots of time"...won't do it...
        And think...I made all this effort in order to be understood by many...and for free...
        So, tell me...did you liked it?...or is it just a lot of time in the making?

        I'm looking forward to see how the pairs of generator coil short out of phase at the peak of the sine wave (if N-S-N-S) effect the asymmetrical motor in the upcoming clip
        I don't understand your statement there ZPE...?
        Asymmetry is NOT about to short them "out of Phase"?

        Also, if I'm close in my fundermental understanding of the principles of Tesla's and your motor concepts
        I will let Nikola Tesla answer that for you in the quoted statement below...

        "It is obviously only necessary to utilize them in Pairs or Sets to operate one of my converters by extending the segments of the commutators belonging to each Pair of Coils and causing a collecting brush to bear on the continuous portion of each segment. In this way two or more circuits could be taken off from the generator, each including one or more Pairs or Sets of Coils, as may be desired..."

        Nikola Tesla, October 2nd 1888, Patent# 390414, "A Dynamo Electric Machine"

        By the way, did you get your oscillator running yet?
        Did You received the Mosfet's?


        Regards


        Ufopolitics
        Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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        • The Real Understanding of Electricity...Do We really know?

          Nobody could really answer a simple question...

          What is Electricity?

          Tesla said: "Whoever gets to really understand electricity, gets to know the Universe.."

          Electrons flowing are just the transport means to carry electricity...

          Radiant Energy exist in the Magnetic Fields...

          Faraday Law of Induction (briefly explained in my own words): When you move a magnet (or any magnetic field) through a copper conductor*..it "Induces" an electrical flow in such conductor...the movement could be applied both ways and will lead to the same response...conductor or Magnetic Field...and direction of movement dictates the direction of flow "

          That is all fine...But, the Induction occurs from where?
          A piece of inert magnet moving in front of a copper wire?
          We could say, this "action" invokes electrical flow by Induction, where Induction is just the "response" to the Action...But where did it come from?



          It came, It was, it is -all the time- in the Magnetic field...it was just transferred by induction to the wire...
          And Radiant Energy exist in the Magnetic Field...

          All a Generator does, is create a continuous, sequenced and timed "Actions" like described above...Then we obtain a "Sequenced, continuous and timed responses that we call electricity"...

          So, wouldn't you agree with me that we have always been just collecting Electricity from Radiant Energy located in the magnetic fields?

          *It is understood that conductor must be perpendicular to the lines of Flux, cutting them...


          Regards to all


          Ufopolitics
          Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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          • Thanks

            Thanks UFO.

            That took some time to put together.
            I look forward to seeing your part two.

            Mark

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            • Tom Bearden...

              Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
              Nobody could really answer a simple question...

              What is Electricity?

              Tesla said: "Whoever gets to really understand electricity, gets to know the Universe.."

              Electrons flowing are just the transport means to carry electricity...

              Radiant Energy exist in the Magnetic Fields...

              Faraday Law of Induction (briefly explained in my own words): When you move a magnet (or any magnetic field) through a copper conductor*..it "Induces" an electrical flow in such conductor...the movement could be applied both ways and will lead to the same response...conductor or Magnetic Field...and direction of movement dictates the direction of flow "

              That is all fine...But, the Induction occurs from where?
              A piece of inert magnet moving in front of a copper wire?
              We could say, this "action" invokes electrical flow by Induction, where Induction is just the "response" to the Action...But where did it come from?



              It came, It was, it is -all the time- in the Magnetic field...it was just transferred by induction to the wire...
              And Radiant Energy exist in the Magnetic Field...

              All a Generator does, is create a continuous, sequenced and timed "Actions" like described above...Then we obtain a "Sequenced, continuous and timed responses that we call electricity"...

              So, wouldn't you agree with me that we have always been just collecting Electricity from Radiant Energy located in the magnetic fields?

              *It is understood that conductor must be perpendicular to the lines of Flux, cutting them...


              Regards to all


              Ufopolitics

              Quoting Tom Bearden:

              "This has led to one of the greatest ironies in history: All the hydrocarbons ever burned, all the steam turbines that ever turned the shaft of a generator, all the rivers ever dammed, all the nuclear fuel rods ever consumed, all the windmills and waterwheels, all the solar cells, and all the chemistry in all the batteries ever produced, have not directly delivered a single watt into the external circuit’s load. All that incredible fuel consumption and energy extracted from the environment has only been used to continually restore the source dipole that our own closed current loop circuits are deliberately designed to destroy faster than the load is powered." [Thomas E. Bearden, "Extracting and Using Electromagnetic Energy from the Active Vacuum," Modern Nonlinear Optics, Part 2. Second Edition, Advances in Chemical Physics, Volume 119, Edited by Myron W. Evans. Series Editors I. Prigogine and Stuart A. Rice, John Wiley and Sons, 2001, p. 691-192].
              Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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              • Hi All,
                I got my generator ready! Just in case somebody is not pleased with his circuit or did not start building yet, I post here my version out of a commercial PMW generator kit + PIC. I am very pleased with it. It worked from the very first power application.
                - IC1 is a voltage regualtor and can be replaced by any available 5V type.
                - There are four ranges 100Hz, 1000Hz, 10KHz, 100KHz.
                - Due to the current source around T1 the frequency adjustment is very linearly.
                - Around IC2 is a very smart circuit for sawtooth shaped signal generation.
                - IC3 is a ultra fast comparator (4.5ns for 5V swing) as FET driver - but 5V power only!!!. It can be replaced by a second LM393 comparator (200ns for 5V swing / 600ns for 15V swing ...) in order to have higher drive voltages for the FET.

                This does not mean that your circuits are minor! Keep it if it works well! I do not want to cause disorder.

                If requested I will elaborate on exact function principle and possible / required modifications at output for our application.
                Last edited by JohnStone; 06-06-2012, 09:53 PM.
                Experts spend hours a day in order to question their doing while others stopped thinking feeling they were professionals.

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                • Awesome work John Stone!

                  Originally posted by JohnStone View Post
                  Hi All,
                  I got my generator ready! Just in case somebody is not pleased with his circuit or did not start building yet, I post here my version out of a commercial PMW generator kit + PIC. I am very pleased with it. It worked from the very first power application.
                  - IC1 is a voltage regualtor and can be replaced by any available 5V type.
                  - There are four ranges 100Hz, 1000Hz, 10KHz, 100KHz.
                  - Due to the current source around T1 the frequency adjustment is very linearly.
                  - Around IC2 is a very smart circuit for sawtooth shaped signal generation.
                  - IC3 is a ultra fast comparator (4.5ns for 5V swing) as FET driver - but 5V power only!!!. It can be replaced by a second LM393 comparator (200ns for 5V swing / 600ns for 15V swing ...) in order to have higher drive voltages for the FET.

                  This does not mean that your circuits are minor! Keep it if it works well! I do not want to cause disorder.

                  If requested I will elaborate on exact function principle and possible / required modifications at output for our application.

                  Great set-up John!

                  Now you will let Us know how did it worked out soon...
                  Looks excellent and super ultra fast response driver you've got there!!


                  Regards


                  Ufopolitics
                  Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                  • Hi all,

                    I've been testing with other types of small inductors. I will put pictures soon.
                    I am working on 2 new coils.


                    @JohnStone
                    Your generator looks good. Let's see how he behaves on tests with coil.
                    Range of frequency: 0-100 hz, 0-1000 hz, 0-10 khz and 0-100 khz. Is that correct?


                    @Ufo
                    There is much difference in dual phase circuit with respect to one phase circuit?


                    Regards
                    http://Cacharreo.com.es/foro

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                    • Dual Antiphase

                      Originally posted by torpex View Post
                      Hi all,

                      I've been testing with other types of small inductors. I will put pictures soon.
                      I am working on 2 new coils.


                      @JohnStone
                      Your generator looks good. Let's see how he behaves on tests with coil.
                      Range of frequency: 0-100 hz, 0-1000 hz, 0-10 khz and 0-100 khz. Is that correct?


                      @Ufo
                      There is much difference in dual phase circuit with respect to one phase circuit?


                      Hello Torpex,

                      Yes, there is a difference, more Radiant Power, less risk and less heating of our components...

                      Regards


                      Ufopolitics
                      Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                      • Lm339an

                        Originally posted by torpex View Post
                        Sorry Dana, I do not see. Is the same (for my)

                        Typical pinout:


                        Motorola pinout:



                        G'Day UFO, Bob,Dana and All others
                        I have my circuit finished (almost) the Regulator is working Ok the 555 oscillator does not seem to work I have checked my circuit and I think I have a Pos wire onto the coils wrong/missing I have to check it out still.
                        I built the Oscillator on a 555 PCB I purchased it was very hard to fit the components on and it's hard for me to check it out also the 555 gets hot, I need to build another PCB one that is easier to fit the components on.

                        I have some pics on Photo bucket of my setup and the PCB drawing I intend to use (its Bob's LM339 Oscillator )
                        Please if someone could check it out for me they are here.
                        Kogs UFO Photos pictures by Kogs1 - Photobucket

                        the LM339's I have purchased here they are the same as the top ones above
                        http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.c...6b8002cf9a.pdf

                        Please Are these LM339's the correct pin?

                        I have been following all the posts and appreciate what I am learning.

                        I am chomping at the bit to have mine running.
                        Kindest regards Kogs

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                        • Perception of terms.

                          Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                          Hello ZPE,

                          Not only "time consuming"...but requires a lot of expertise, experience in many different software's...so, with "just lots of time"...won't do it...
                          And think...I made all this effort in order to be understood by many...and for free...
                          So, tell me...did you liked it?...or is it just a lot of time in the making?


                          I don't understand your statement there ZPE...?
                          Asymmetry is NOT about to short them "out of Phase"?

                          Regards


                          Ufopolitics
                          Hey Ufo,

                          I thought that I added that I enjoyed the clip.
                          I liked it. I know from making powerpoint presentations the time I placed into editing sections of videos, splicing other frames, text and many hours vanish
                          That was basic video editing software, not multiple.

                          Maybe I used the wrong terminology with the word "short" and would be more accurate to say either, discharge or switch via the commutator.

                          I see this Asymmetrical motor concept just as Tesla desribes (patent 524,426) with the inbalance in the length of the pole pieces cause a magnetic phase difference. Each set of coil pairs will exhibit a time delay in proportion to the core of the coils length and thus create an inbalance of magnetic flux to each coil pair.

                          This is the way my visual representation plays out in my head

                          Regards
                          Zero

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                          • Originally posted by iankoglin View Post
                            G'Day UFO, Bob,Dana and All others
                            I have my circuit finished (almost) the Regulator is working Ok the 555 oscillator does not seem to work I have checked my circuit and I think I have a Pos wire onto the coils wrong/missing I have to check it out still.
                            I built the Oscillator on a 555 PCB I purchased it was very hard to fit the components on and it's hard for me to check it out also the 555 gets hot, I need to build another PCB one that is easier to fit the components on.

                            I have some pics on Photo bucket of my setup and the PCB drawing I intend to use (its Bob's LM339 Oscillator )
                            Please if someone could check it out for me they are here.
                            Kogs UFO Photos pictures by Kogs1 - Photobucket

                            the LM339's I have purchased here they are the same as the top ones above
                            http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.c...6b8002cf9a.pdf

                            Please Are these LM339's the correct pin?

                            I have been following all the posts and appreciate what I am learning.

                            I am chomping at the bit to have mine running.
                            Kindest regards Kogs
                            @iankoglin
                            Schematics need more resolution, costs a bit to see.
                            In your lm317 circuit the diodes must be 1N4002, no need to use NTE576, but works also. Diodes NTE576 are for the coil.

                            Oscilator circuit:


                            Drawing is components side, right? Pinout for the lm339 is correct, pin 2&4-5 and pin 1&6-7.
                            I think the + also be wired to lm317 regulated output. Do not use the jumper, pin 5 to ground is incorrect, right?

                            The coil looks good

                            I do not see the schematic of your 555 circuit.


                            Last edited by torpex; 06-07-2012, 02:28 PM.
                            Regards
                            http://Cacharreo.com.es/foro

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                            • Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
                              Hello Torpex,

                              Yes, there is a difference, more Radiant Power, less risk and less heating of our components...

                              Regards


                              Ufopolitics
                              Thanks Ufo

                              Finally you use channel-P and N or all channel N with cinan driver?


                              Regards
                              http://Cacharreo.com.es/foro

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                              • Dual Anti-Phase Channels

                                Originally posted by torpex View Post
                                Thanks Ufo

                                Finally you use channel-P and N or all channel N with cinan driver?


                                Hello Torpex,

                                The One I have been showing on videos (Dual Channel Oscillator) is based on a Dual 555 timer that I posted before here...based on a Mosfet check circuit...so far it works fine, the only problems are that the P-Channels I use are not "exactly" a match for the NTE2397's so there is a bit Off sequence in the starting low frequency but Resistance increases (between Positive Source-Positive Drain) till I reach higher freq. levels...
                                The first IC555 originates the frequency and is adjusted just like the old circuit...the second IC 555, creates a "Mirror Image" but in High Side to excite the P-Channels...what I did is from leg 3 of IC1 to Leg 2 (trigger) of IC2...and 3 of IC2 excites P-Channels.

                                The circuit from Mad Scientist based on the LM339 could drive two channels, P and N...easier and more effective...
                                Cinan have a brighter idea to just use N-Channels for both Positive-Negative...but He have not make it yet...(not that I know off)

                                Regards


                                Ufopolitics
                                Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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