My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

[JohnStone]

@cornboy
I am asking you cornboy because you have accomplished what I am dreading. How difficult is soldering the pcbs? I have soldering irons and a soldering gun but you mention a soldering pump in one of your posts. Do I need special equipment to do this or is it possible with my 30 watt soldering irons or my weller soldering gun. I am truly intimidated by this part of the project and had wished to see a video on this technique. I know how to solder but my technique is crude and could use some polish for such a small area. Possibility of bridging seems highly likely.
@JS
Maybe you could video the population of the cornboy pcb. Just an idea for those of us that are new to this part of the project. I understand if you are unable to do so, I realize you have a very busy schedule.

Cheers

Garry

Hi Garry,
that soldering pump is in fact a de-soldering pump. It contains a cylinder with a piston sliding internally. You load a spring being connected to teh piston and if you fire it it generates a vacuum in order to swallow soldering tin you want to get rid of.
It is a great help if you accidently soldered a bridge between two solder points. Heat the area up to melting tin and fire the preloaded pump. It will suck in much of the excess solder and you got rid of the short.
Another use of the pump is to desolder components. Once again melt the tin, retract soldering iron and imediately set pump on component leg - bottom side - fire the pump. It will suck most of the tin out of the hole. Repeat it for all legs of the specific component.
Unfortunately I am not prepared for making vids. I will assemble the board Cornboy sent to me (THANKS) as soon it arrives and I will supply pics from every section.
My major focus is chcking the circuit in deep and posting results.

@ALL: Please post if your PCB has copper interconnections single sided (bottom) or both sides. Cornboy sent a single sided PCB - if I interpret his pics correctly. If I - hopefully - get double sided later on I will assemble both in order to look for flaws and improvements.

Recently the electronic industry abandoned lead components in solder tin (Code word RoHS - slang expression rosh) . This blend needs to be soldered at higher temperature and is more difficult to solder. If you have the chance to buy solder with lead - get it but please do not inhale those fumes when soldering. Get a simple PC fan or other means being available and blow those fumes away from your breath.

When soldering you need to have a look to the mass of those pins you intend to solder. If they are more massive you need to increase temperature a bit. It is essential to not solder too long on those massive pins in order to prevent excessive heat flowing into the semiconductor. In doubt it is better to solder short and a bit overheated than long and "correct " temperature.

For your own education please solder caps and resistors first with recommended temperature (quite small wire diameters). Then increase temperature by 30 °C and solder 7805 / 7812. If you assemble FETs you will have experience if anotehr slight increase of temperature is necessary.

You will find out by yourself what temperature is OK for you. Too low temperature takes too long time and tin does not flow properly across the pad. Too high temperature draws whiskers if you draw soldering iron away.
I hopt those hints are not too confusing - else discard them.

JS

[Cornboy 555]

@ Cornboy

You will have much more control over harmonic mixing if you eliminate the spark gap (this includes commutators). The harmonic train you want is not a mix of all harmonics, it is specific wave train that you are looking for and it is directly related to the logarithmic spiral. The idea is to try and get those harmonics with abrupt changes in circuit conditions, however without the formation of plasma at the switch. My 2 cents.....

Hello Erfinder, to what logarithmic spiral do you refer to.

Thanks Cornboy.

[Cornboy 555]

Hello JS, and all, have been doing more testing, and confusing my self, havn't got a handle on this scope yet.

Here's what i don't understand, it may be simple for you guy's.

1. 0nf---@5ns/div---11ns @500ns/div----16ns @100us/div----20ns rise Time-- fall time seems to be very similar in all tests.

2. 30nf caps----@5ns/div----10.2ns @500ns/div----280ns @10ns/div----500ns rise time?

3. 1 FET---@5ns/div----46ns @500ns/div----68ns @100us/div----300ns, R.T.



Won't go any further till i understand difference in measurements?

[IMG][/IMG]

This shot is 1us of 30nf cap load.

Regards Cornboy.

[sampojo]

Some additional explanation of advantage of assym over Bedini SG

Hi All

I asked in the Asymmetric Machines thread what the advantages are of pulsing the motors. Is it just to bring down input power and/or for recovering the field collapse of the coils?

JohnStone said that there is no plain answer and pointed me to this thread.

UFO states in the first post of this thread:

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However, my point in this thread is not about the discussion of this Motors, but, I will tell you that I use the Counter EMF completely on assistance of the rotation, not against [...].
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[...] Never needing to Reverse the Electromagnetic Fields Polarity in order to achieve rotation, the fields just Turn Off or Turn On according to the Oscillator Signals, and I achieve this, by the Coils Design inside of them. This design allows that at T-Off of the Square Wave (Circuit Opens) Rotor Idles, and keep going for nano seconds by inertia and the last magnetic interaction residues to the other Stator Pole where then is reversed "naturally" or by what The Physics call Back Electromotive Force, and this is How the C EMF Assist instead of "Oppose" to rotation.

So, it seems to me now that turning the coils on and off is achieved by the asymmetrical architecture of the motor and not by a pulsing-circuit (like in the Bedini circuit)?

The first pulse motor I learned about was the Bedini, so my knowledge of those motors is quite influenced by this principle. The Bedini circuit can remove the BEMF as well and allow for storing the energy (of the field collapse) in a secondary battery, so it does not oppose the rotation. Is this comparable to the principle of asymmetric machines?

Regards

adversarius

Hi Adversarius.

After watching a lot of symmetrical and Ufo's symmetry of darkness vids, I can now seemingly easily visualize the BEMF of the collapsing field coil of an armature assisting rotation as its current is cut off as it passes a magnet's top dead center, and now pushing off the field where it was pulling before. This happens on each commutator segment in a linear feed, a pulsing action while on a full linear feed from a battery. This is the natural pulsing that occurs in asymmetric motor. It occurs because each coil is isolated iaw N. Tesla Patents as they specifically dictate,unlike the symmetrical motor. There battery voltage must be used to fight the BEMF, which in its geometry it is known as CEMF. The imperial at 3000+ rpm with 28 comm segs gets about a 90000cps pulse action. Early this year Ufo threw us all a curve ball by overlaying a separate pulsing action on top of this and to linearly walk it around the motor's brush sets, no longer displaying the output of all those extra brush sets as generator voltage, but now using each as a motor brush, like now the imperial went from a 2 cyl engine to a four. Now this additional pulsing action has ranged from 30 to about 200cps I think depending on the experimenter. I pulled a lot of all this together at Circuit drives an asymmetric motor Post 2031 page 67 From what I have seen, an imperial spinning up on 36v noload 3000rpm took 18A on linear feed and only 12A on pulsed-distributed arduino input. The key is the extra vortex action that must be occurring in the collapsing interacting electromagnetic fields opening flyback pinhole portal to the Radiant Energy field we are trying to tap. The SSG just looks like a toy, and I could never get into it... This motor converts coil BEMF RE directly into mechanical energy, I think. And since it assists in rotation, it cannot be labelled CEMF, but rather AEMF, Assistive EMF.

[erfinder]

@ Cornboy

You will have much more control over harmonic mixing if you eliminate the spark gap (this includes commutators). The harmonic train you want is not a mix of all harmonics, it is specific wave train that you are looking for and it is directly related to the logarithmic spiral. The idea is to try and get those harmonics with abrupt changes in circuit conditions, however without the formation of plasma at the switch. My 2 cents.....

Hello Erfinder, to what logarithmic spiral do you refer to.

Thanks Cornboy.

Hello Cornboy,

The golden section, the true signature of Asymmetry. One or two of my machines generates wave forms which follow the Fibonacci Number sequence, and thereby harmonize with the golden section. This is part of the reason why I'm so disappointed with where this thread is going. There is so much that you all should be observing but aren't. There can be no fix for this till it is accepted that there maybe something wrong. However, I am grateful that you are considering that there could be more. There is! The golden section is the thread which we find centering all things on this planet and beyond. You can call it the central hub gear if you will. When your device is engineered properly, we are enabled to link up to that hub and it can drive our machinery, partially or fully. The wheel work of nature....


Regards

[Cornboy 555]

Hello Cornboy,

The golden section, the true signature of Asymmetry. One or two of my machines generates wave forms which follow the Fibonacci Number sequence, and thereby harmonize with the golden section. This is part of the reason why I'm so disappointed with where this thread is going. There is so much that you all should be observing but aren't. There can be no fix for this till it is accepted that there maybe something wrong. However, I am grateful that you are considering that there could be more. There is! The golden section is the thread which we find centering all things on this planet and beyond. You can call it the central hub gear if you will. When your device is engineered properly, we are enabled to link up to that hub and it can drive our machinery, partially or fully. The wheel work of nature....


Regards

Once Again Erfinder, you allude to what we are trying to do here is wrong!, Please i urge you to share with us any improvements, you think we can make to enhance what we are doing, most here would eventually, like to power electric vehicles, with a self charging, high torque motor, can you help with this quest??.

I understand about producing, and selling a model of your work, to recover time and funds spent, and that is great, i have no problem with that, but please don't tell us here that we are doing it wrong!, without showing us how to better what we are trying to do.

Thanks Cornboy.

[Zardox]

Hi Erfinder
We here in this thread are in fact doing what it is we are doing quite successfully. If you have a different type of an asymetrical motor I would suggest opening a different thread and teaching it to us. I think most of us would be more than happy to follow along. At the same time we are more than happy with the successful results we have obtained from UFO's method.

[adversarius]

From what I have seen, an imperial spinning up on 36v noload 3000rpm took 18A on linear feed and only 12A on pulsed-distributed arduino input.

So what is achieved in the SSG with a circuit from outside (pulsing coils) is done naturally in asymmetric machines. Correct? And the reason for using an arduino is to bring the amperage down.

This motor converts coil BEMF RE directly into mechanical energy, I think.

This is another advantage over the Bedini where there is a need for charging battery to store the energy from the collapsing field.

Regards

[IndianaBoys]

Hello Cornboy,

The golden section, the true signature of Asymmetry. One or two of my machines generates wave forms which follow the Fibonacci Number sequence, and thereby harmonize with the golden section. This is part of the reason why I'm so disappointed with where this thread is going. There is so much that you all should be observing but aren't. There can be no fix for this till it is accepted that there maybe something wrong. However, I am grateful that you are considering that there could be more. There is! The golden section is the thread which we find centering all things on this planet and beyond. You can call it the central hub gear if you will. When your device is engineered properly, we are enabled to link up to that hub and it can drive our machinery, partially or fully. The wheel work of nature....


Regards

erfinder,

Can you shows us by uploading a YouTube.

Looks like you are capable of doing that:

erfinder2 - YouTube

IndianaBoys

[prochiro]

Hello Cornboy
I think that what erfinder is saying is that
1. There is another way to create radiance other than our current methiod.
2. When you study the Fibonacci Number sequence, you will see that there is advantage to using all collapsing energy to return to and add to you initial input to increase output and that by doing this again and again we get higher and higher energy thru system until a natural harmonic frequency is obtained where our input is not needed.
3. There is another method to create radiant energy without commutators which allows this multiplication of energy to continue rather than our put one in, get two out, put one in, get two out,repeat.

He is saying that we can
Put one in, get two out. Put 2 in get three out. Put three in get five out. Put five in get 8 out. repeat.........to harmonic balance point.
Dana

[erfinder]

erfinder,

Can you shows us by uploading a YouTube.

Looks like you are capable of doing that:

erfinder2 - YouTube

IndianaBoys

Models are being made as I type this. Three in total. The waveform generated by one of them, the prime mover, is the newest video on my channel...you might want to digest that one. If you know what your looking for the principle I'm talking about is also on my page.

Regards

[GChilders]

unfulfilled

I checked my account today at OSHPark and although I ordered the Monsterboards on 8/17/13 the order status was still unfulfilled. I must say that I am feeling very unfulfilled at this point and somewhat impatient. It has been over three weeks and still have not shipped. Has anyone had their order shipped within the stated two week period from order placement to shipping date? Well I hope they get here soon. I am only in Arizona so I am fairly close to Washington compared to Germany or Australia so it won't take but 4 to 5 days once they ship.
@JS Dana and Cornboy
Thanks for the quick info on the soldering and the tutorials helped. Did not know that the parts should be tinned first. Very good stuff. I think that I can do this if I get the pcbs.

Cheers

Garry

[Armagdn03]

Models are being made as I type this. Three in total. The waveform generated by one of them, the prime mover, is the newest video on my channel...you might want to digest that one. If you know what your looking for the principle I'm talking about is also on my page.

Regards

Damn ol buddy ol pal, those are some purdy models!!!! Envious. Did you get that message from Allcanadian?

[sampojo]

Reply to unfulfilled

I checked my account today at OSHPark and although I ordered the Monsterboards on 8/17/13 the order status was still unfulfilled. I must say that I am feeling very unfulfilled at this point and somewhat impatient. It has been over three weeks and still have not shipped. Has anyone had their order shipped within the stated two week period from order placement to shipping date? Well I hope they get here soon. I am only in Arizona so I am fairly close to Washington compared to Germany or Australia so it won't take but 4 to 5 days once they ship.
@JS Dana and Cornboy
Thanks for the quick info on the soldering and the tutorials helped. Did not know that the parts should be tinned first. Very good stuff. I think that I can do this if I get the pcbs.

Cheers

Garry

Garry, Have you tried emailing at one of the OSHPark links? He usually responded within a day for me. I think it is a fairly small operation. On my initial order when I ordered 20 boards it took the full two weeks
to get the shipment into the mail. Try to contact him directly about your order.
-Sam

[sampojo]

So what is achieved in the SSG with a circuit from outside (pulsing coils) is done naturally in asymmetric machines. Correct? And the reason for using an arduino is to bring the amperage down.




This is another advantage over the Bedini where there is a need for charging battery to store the energy from the collapsing field.

Regards

Yes agree its all in the geometry Of the ISOLATED coil windings combined with the two commutators. And somebody please tell me how Ufopolitics, God bless him , comes up with all these windings?