Clean, cheap, continuous, scalable?

[MHG]

Hi,

I'm looking for any advice the members can provide.

By thinking a little out of the box (peeling a pencil to extract graphene is one of those out-of-the-box simple ideas), I came across something that could provide clean, cheap (not free), continuous, scalable, environmentally friendly energy. Sounds great, doesn't it? It probably will not solve every energy problems, but, to most people in most circumstances, it could be of great help.

This doesn't involve any breach on the laws of thermodynamics, no fancy new science, no fancy new technology. Only putting together some existing and working technology, relatively inexpensive (probably cheaper, per unit, than a photovoltaic panel). Is there any patent to register? I'm not sure.

I would like very much to setup a prototype and make the necessary measurements and improvements, but I don't have the time (or the money to buy it), neither the money to hire someone else to do it for me.

Also, I would like a small part of the profits to go into taking this kind of energy (or any other form of cheap and clean energy, for that matter), into needed villages, schools, hospitals in places like Africa, Asia, South America.

I could write to the big power companies and try to have them develop and patent the idea. Most wouldn't even care to test it. In the case one did, they would steal the invention and route all the profits for their own interests.

I could contact inventors, but what assurances do I have that they will credit my idea and support my plans, if indeed they can improve the device and register some patent?

My preferred course would be this: having someone buy the idea and develop it, with or without me, but granting by contract, say, one dollar per unit sold to a foundation that would then buy, install and maintain units at remote points where there is no energy now, or where energy depends on costly and noisy generators, powered by oil that comes from far away.

This seems to be over optimistic. The second possible course of action is to gather some money so I can (alone or with the help of some hired hands) develop the devices, see if there's any patent worth applying, and then contact the power guys with a ready-made product.

I know that your mind is now asking for details. Well, I can only say that the basic device is very easy to create using parts readily available. It would then need some design tweaks, I'm sure. Then, one would have to precisely measure the amount of energy produced, relate it with the building and maintenance costs of the device and determine the operational region.

I've done some math and, from a modelling point of view, it is financially viable.

My problem is: how and where to start?

Any possible advice is welcome.

MHG

[Iotayodi]

My problem is: how and where to start?

Start right here. How? Give details of your idea.

[Slider2732]

It's a well trodden route and at best delivers seemingly no end 'product'. At some point along the way of design, test, build, creating a manufacturing plant or advertising...the devices all disappear.

Profit is an old model and Patents similarly. Nearly anything of a seeming challenge to the status quo of big energy that follows the Patent route, is apparently immediately held away, for 'National Security' reasons.

So, the new way, perhaps the only realistic way, to get a machine built, tested and 'out there' is to open source the whole thing. This applies especially in cases where the original inventor doesn't have the skills, means or time to complete a prototype.

Your very first posting here is reason and worth enough for all subsequent models of it, or replications of it, to be credited to you.

Some may argue that such a situation is merely giving it all away...well, financial profit is the old model !

[MHG]

Start right here. How? Give details of your idea.

Well, the idea is so obvious that once I enter into details I'll lose it. Will have to think about it a bit longer.

[MHG]

perhaps the only realistic way, to get a machine built, tested and 'out there' is to open source the whole thing. This applies especially in cases where the original inventor doesn't have the skills, means or time to complete a prototype.

You are maybe right, but I'm not yet prepared for that. A friend suggested I follow the Dutch way. Maybe you know this: when the Dutch decided to go to India and steal the spices business from the Portuguese and Spanish, they amassed the equivalent of 200,000 million dollars by selling parts of the whole enterprise, which was too costly and risky for anyone to take alone. That's when shares were invented, shares = parts.

Of course, I have no use to all that money. I guess half a million would already give me plenty of time and means to build, test and improve the devices, with the help of some needed extra knowledge. It's way out of my pocket size, but maybe I can collect that kind of money by releasing a few details, get someone to buy the first shares, then more details and more shares and so on.

Many thanks for your time and your thoughts.

MHG

[kcarring]

Consider this, if, as you say, it does not defy any laws of physics, it's simple and can be easily constructed from available parts, and it's not going to save the world, getting a patent on it may not be possible, and you do not particularily want to endure the time and total expense of developing it...

if all of that, that I attempt to quote from your own post... is true...

Chances are you are not the only one who has thought of it in the whole world. And, if your not really willing to apply yourself, chances are you aren't the most aggressive developer of the idea, either.

If that were true, one might even assume you are sitting on the sidelines kind of hoping to benefit, but not really winning to work hard for it, nor be burdened by any expense.

Not a great recipe for success, IMHO. It's one thing "to know" and a wholly other thing "to do". In a world of 6 billion people, with literally billions in actual need... why not change your paradigm to match the mood of this forum, and just share. Then you will be rewarded, no matter what, instead of quite possibly just sitting idle, kidding yourself, as someone else progresses further on the same idea.

m 2c

[ewizard]

The guaranteed way to see this disappear into the halls of unknown great inventions is to try to patent it, sell it, sell shares or almost any other direct money making idea. It's also a great way to put a target on your back by the existing powers that be whether the oil cartel or other energy barons. Open sourcing can bring great benefit to you in many ways and may lead to financial gain too if it is really worthy. There are very very few rich inventors. The financially cunning business sharks nearly always get the best of any inventor.

By open sourcing your idea you have created 'Prior Art' and it cannot be patented by anyone. This also protects you from attempts to silence you once you have posted it on a number of major web forums and sites. This will guarantee a much greater opportunity for it to actually get into the hands of the common person and those who really need it. If I had such a good idea I would build one, setup detailed instructions on how to build it with parts lists etc., and video it then setup a web site with the details and a donation button. If people can use it to save money or run their home or vehicles I can't imagine anyone not wanting to contribute a few dollars at least.

However until you at least have a working prototype I wouldn't count your dollars. Many people have great ideas only to find that in the real world the missed some tiny detail that makes it not workable. Hopefully yours is not in that category. Best of luck.

[Slider2732]

I think you get the general theme MHG and it's not that we're all greedy for free info or that we're all love and light or something and that it would raise your cosmic karma points lol.
It just historically doesn't work to sell shares in something unproven.

Might I suggest two ideas.
One is a very simple truth of inventive minds. If you've had this idea/invention then it won't be your last !
Is it such a bad thing to put this particular idea out into a forum such as this, to gain help with problems, have people test principles and perhaps full machines they make themselves. From which, you may find an increased personal knowledge allows the development of a similar technology with a great crowd of people behind the research and development. You'd lose the first idea for Patent rights, but gain so much more to take forward.

An aside - During the mid 1990's, I had 40 or so ideas, went along the Patent route with one of them, partial details here of The Electronic Book: esp@cenet original document
But through incompetence by the alleged inventors helping firm, nothing came of it and it sat without anything more than the initial filing.
Even what you'd think would make an idea safe and cosy may well do completely the opposite. Not just financially, but affecting self esteem, personal creativity in future years and more.
Imagine that idea of mine, shared at the time online (if we had internet to the same extent) and the Kindle Fire would be a lot less hot in 2012 !

The other idea is similar, yet keeps things quite open all the time into your future inventive career. It would be to follow the example of someone like John Bedini, who posts on this forum. He has 3 patents, one Patent Pending and more that are to be filed, says his website at: Energenx, Inc.
His company sells, among several items, kits to build radiant magnetic wheel chargers like the 3PM. Yet, ya know what, he has also shared tons of circuits and information very openly and freely with anyone who wants to replicate. The SSG is the same thing as the 3PM...you can build one of his products with the company blessing...to the point of the inventor giving out the circuit ! Same thing is going on for the most part over in the Bedini Earth Light thread sticky in this section - his latest video explains in detail how to make his latest battery cells !

[boguslaw]

Ok,you want the simplest workable idea ? It's already here in ufopolitics thread. Not patentable. Just battery or capacitor discharing into coil and radiant energy collecting via two diodes. It could be also diode bridge of course.
if this is variation of ufopolitics circuit then I can assure you it is already spread in other forums and I can track it down to 2008 at least.And of course bedini has also a patent.
You must also think that even Bedini didn't showed all details for the same reasons as you may have. It's just a very small correction.
Look for a fellow Tito L.Oracion on overunity.com

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, well it certainly is all about love and light, who would be here to type at the keyboard if parents did not give unconditional love to us and care for our basic needs !!!UNCONDITIONALLY!!!, irregardless of the slavery they have been subject to, to care for those needs.
It is the intent that matters.
Be the change you wish to see in your world.
If one wants more enslavement, monopolies, tyranny, then keep doing the things the institutions have been conditioning us to do.
Though if one wishes to be part of creating heaven on earth, then !!!SHARE FREELY!!!
Of course in the engineered (fake) human world of lack and scarcity a few groups over time have concocted, it would appear that sharing freely has no benefit to ones well being.
Then all one has to do, is look at the world and the systems humans are living in, to see that indeed, by not sharing freely in action and thought with our family (humanity), has thus caused all the suffering and hardship.
May all be wise in the choices they make and think.
peace love light
tyson

[boguslaw]

Hi folks, well it certainly is all about love and light, who would be here to type at the keyboard if parents did not give unconditional love to us and care for our basic needs !!!UNCONDITIONALLY!!!, irregardless of the slavery they have been subject to, to care for those needs.
It is the intent that matters.
Be the change you wish to see in your world.
If one wants more enslavement, monopolies, tyranny, then keep doing the things the institutions have been conditioning us to do.
Though if one wishes to be part of creating heaven on earth, then !!!SHARE FREELY!!!
Of course in the engineered (fake) human world of lack and scarcity a few groups over time have concocted, it would appear that sharing freely has no benefit to ones well being.
Then all one has to do, is look at the world and the systems humans are living in, to see that indeed, by not sharing freely in action and thought with our family (humanity), has thus caused all the suffering and hardship.
May all be wise in the choices they make and think.
peace love light
tyson

Sorry,that won't work like that. First everything related to sin in that world must be judged and convicted and people have to start searching for REAL solutions. No more hunger,illness, hate and wars. REAL problems , REAL solutions. No bleblish about economic crisis. No price tag. 90% of patents related to free energy from last 20 years are modified copies of older not patented methods and devices or "novel" Tesla methods using nowadays marvels of electronics

[boguslaw]

Let's see.What would happen is somebody posted a schematic of free energy device ? Those who have money would immediately start to the patent office and reserve their "priority", then they would start mass production of course with proper price tag. Rich would become richer and the poor - poorer. Everything would change, but everything would stay the same. It may be that today elite, would be tomorrow just ordinary "bread eaters" , and new elite would arise.This is nothing new and won't help.
There is one way,risky but possible. Let everybody find it by himself.Then we would have to change everything, because Truth will be everythere.
In God we trust.

[boguslaw]

Share freely, yes ! But not the actual ready to made solution . Give me a fish and I will be hungry tomorrow,but give me a fishing rod and teach me how to fish - and I will care !

[SkyWatcher]

Hi boguslaw, thanks for replying to my post.
I think your answers still apply and agree with my post, we would all have the knowledge to get all the fish analogy we need, what has been preventing it. The same thought process you are speaking of, selfish thoughts and actions, running to patent office, etc. in self interest.
What I have been occasionally chiming in on threads about, is that we have all the technology we need, even if we ignore all the suppressed stuff.
What we have is a lack of intent to share freely anything by many people in the world, especially those we may call vested interest in status quo.
Based on these so called real world facts, only unconditional love and unconditional sharing can change any of this.
Many will always have issues with this perspective, because it seems so out of the normal societal living condition that those few groups over time have concocted.
Bottom line is this, we cannot have these few dominator groups running around resisting all noble efforts to help families become self sufficient, all the while putting these same families through these dominator groups brainwash institutions.
When this self sufficiency is achieved, then we will see sharing freely like never seen before on earth.
That is probably why it is resisted so much, as many here already know.
peace love light forever
tyson

[boguslaw]

Hi boguslaw, thanks for replying to my post.
I think your answers still apply and agree with my post, we would all have the knowledge to get all the fish analogy we need, what has been preventing it. The same thought process you are speaking of, selfish thoughts and actions, running to patent office, etc. in self interest.
What I have been occasionally chiming in on threads about, is that we have all the technology we need, even if we ignore all the suppressed stuff.
What we have is a lack of intent to share freely anything by many people in the world, especially those we may call vested interest in status quo.
Based on these so called real world facts, only unconditional love and unconditional sharing can change any of this.
Many will always have issues with this perspective, because it seems so out of the normal societal living condition that those few groups over time have concocted.
Bottom line is this, we cannot have these few dominator groups running around resisting all noble efforts to help families become self sufficient, all the while putting these same families through these dominator groups brainwash institutions.
When this self sufficiency is achieved, then we will see sharing freely like never seen before on earth.
That is probably why it is resisted so much, as many here already know.
peace love light forever
tyson

Yes.We have to throw away money and all related, but how ? I see people fighting and tighten up due to economic crisis. We are told now we have to work up to 67 years of age, but I just haven't been able to find a job for a year now after my firm collapsed.