3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

Duncan,
The windings are all still intact and it works. We ran it yesterday connected to one 12 volt battery and it sure enough put out 120 volt AC, but I have no idea how many watts. Nothing here to check it with. Can't head for home until Friday. My folks need me to do some welding and a few other things in the next day or so. Too many projects!!!

[shylo]

cycling

If you cycle out the dead bats before ,they get repaired ,or the crystals react

That might be the sweet spot?
How can power flow through an un-connected circuit?
This was using Bi-Filar coils
shylo

[Duncan]

Duncan,
The windings are all still intact and it works. We ran it yesterday connected to one 12 volt battery and it sure enough put out 120 volt AC, but I have no idea how many watts. Nothing here to check it with. Can't head for home until Friday. My folks need me to do some welding and a few other things in the next day or so. Too many projects!!!

Well David Rotary converters were never known for their great efficiency … however you might get some Idea of its power capabilities from the 12 volt cable size … you might even find the thing on the net in due course …. if nothing else with a bit of an overhaul it might well fill a lasting replacement position for the Inverter … I only had one inverter, running with a very small motor, there is no doubt 3BS likes Inverters as a “light snack” obviously you might have a lasting answer with that relic your dads found!.. you'll soon find out.

[Turion]

I may not have to worry about the 3BGS eating this inverter. If I run the motor on this as my 3BGS motor and that motor is turning a generator which is powering the inverter (would there really be one since the gen puts out AC?) then there is no electrical connection between the 3BGS and the inverter...just the physical connection between motor and generator.

Anyway, so much to do and I'm "chomping at the bit" to get home! I have a whole week to work on stuff before I have another project next weekend.

Dave

[erfinder]

Hey LutherG,

I see you....LOL I got that issue we talked about perfected...Officially I got three different versions now...The most promising is a window type topology...(acceleration under dead short with no iron)....WTF...Looking forward to a chat so we can discuss it.....

Regards

[LutherG]

iCU2!

Oh that's funny - I just emailed you saying we need to skype soon! That's awesome news!! I have a couple of things I need to discuss with you as well...

Cheers,

Luther

PS: its great to see you on this thread!

[Turion]

Musings of a Dangerous mind

For twelve hours while I drove from AZ to CA yesterday, I thought about the 3BGS. Here are the results of that...Please consider I was hopped up on a sugar high of continuous diet cokes.

First of all, when a battery is charged up, and a few seconds later, you check it and it is no longer charged, where did the electricity go. Did the Power Fairy come and take it away? I think not. I am beginning to believe that a battery truly is a gate or a container that holds energy that comes from somewhere, and that perhaps it has to do with the magnetic field of the battery that allows it to hold that voltage. When there is something wrong with the battery's magnetic field, that energy simply returns to whence it came. I know that J. Bedini has said (I believe I read this, but again, I could be making this all up) we do not charge a battery. We induce a state in a battery where the charge comes into it from....well, you know from where dontcha?

I believe I have been going down the wrong path for the last five years with the 3BGS. I believe the path we need to be on is parallel to it, but I don't think they end up at the same place. And I have drug a bunch of you along with me.

I no longer believe that the battery needs to be heavily sulfated. A heavily sulfated battery does not explain the fact that the original 3BGS would cycle. Once again I will repeat.. When I connected the whole setup, the motor did not come on. About 10-15 minutes later the motor suddenly came on. The voltage on battery 3 would jump to 24 volts. It would go down to around 18 volts and the motor would come on. Then it would go down to around 9 volts and the motor would shut off. The voltage would jump to 24 and the cycle would repeat.


Sulfation CANNOT account for the fact that the motor did not immediately come on, unless a battery can become immediately sulfated a couple minutes later all over again.

If those voltage measurements on battery 3 were really a measure of the potential difference between the bad battery and the primaries (at 24 volts) and then that goes down to 18 as battery 3 begins to charge (at this point the 6 volt difference is enough to let the motor slowly start to run and speed up as the voltage in battery 3 (or the voltage flowing THROUGH battery 3) rises. Then when it gets down to around 9 volts, there is not enough potential difference for the flow to continue and the motor shuts off. The voltage jumps to 24.



But wait...just seconds ago there was a whole LOT of voltage in battery 3, and now it is all gone! What happened to it? Where did it go?

I believe that when the connection is made, there is an internal resistance in that bad battery...not sulfation which would go away and stay away, but some other kind of resistance...bad cells, shorted plates...whatever it is, it is the key. It cause the energy to build up and build up on one side of the battery until POW, it overcomes the resistance and jumps across...kinda like a what-do-you-call-it...oh yeah... a spark gap. And with it comes a flood of energy from "somewhere" . Then when the motor shuts off, the magnetic field of this "damaged" battery is not good enough to hold onto all the energy and POOF, away it goes to whence it came.

We know there is a magnetic field in a battery. I have one wrapped with a whole lot of wire and it produces current that you can measure with a meter when it is connected n the 3BGS setup and pulsed by the brushes in the motor making and breaking contact. Others have tried this same experiment with the same results, so it isn't just in my mind.

So what does this tell us and how does it help us. I'm not exactly sure, other than I certainly intend to try some 6 volt batteries in the third position with a resistor in line between it and the primaries. A big enough load on it should keep it from getting overcharged....Or possibly some low voltage caps with the same thing in place. What I am saying, I guess, is that we need some resistance that has to be overcome like a spark gap to initiate the energy flow,, and then a battery that won't get above 6 volts so the flow continues. or one that is so damaged that it will take a charge but will NOT hold it for even a second. Or, how about using a standard motor like I used in my first setup, but pulsing the connection between the primaries and the bad battery with connections so short that the battery doesn't have time to react and charge, but the circuit to the motor is complete often enough to keep it running. I would say the least on time possible that still runs the motor, see how that affects battery 3, and go from there. Time to drag out the old STAMP and give that a try.

Dave

[LutherG]

Interesting post Dave!

[Duncan]

Baby and bathwater ?

Doesn't sound to removed from my thoughts and observations David, 12 hours drive ? 12 hours in little O'l England would be more than enough to drive the whole country North to South return to the middle and drive East to West sort of puts it in perspective.
As for your In depth thoughts I'm not to sure I agree with all of that , Here's Why I think we can all agree a major law of Physics is being broken … somewhere along the line , just on shear numbers alone I think we can be pretty certain the “Bad Battery” plays a part, I personally think its really nothing much to do with power gathering other than its a “de facto” antenna and you happen to be tuning to it, It that regard It could be a simple wire just as Moray uses. I do start to think however that the “Bad battery” could well be doing the job of “de-modulation” rather like a crystal Diode does in the parallel tuned circuit of the crystal set.
As for the Voltage David its absolutely meaningless Energy = Power x time and
power =voltage x current x cos φ as the Battery/ Antenna is tuned to resonance the angle cos φ
will switch negative or positive either side of resonance (where cos φ = 0) What I mean to say here David is that I believe the voltage your measuring is quite removed from anything to do with energy,.... It is only an indication that you are on or near series resonance w.r.t. The bad battery (and of course the rest of the circuit) For all my conjecture and yours David the set up has been duplicated now by many people and proved to work … No one really wants to let go of a known working system, Keep in Mind David lots of folks have spent a life time, sold the farm and spent all the savings just trying to get OU, because of 3BS many people have seen the effect and got over the very biggest hurdle and that's … Mental.
I don’t think there's much doubt that as time goes on all the components can be replaced the Motor with electronics and the “Bad Battery” with coils or crystals something like Tesla's “black box”will emerge. I don't think you’ve drug us anywhere, the system Itself might have drugged folks who have seen it working.
I can see right now the possibility of replacing the motor with with a ½ H bridge and so push pull as I showed earlier, I could equally see the source power supply (two good batteries) replaced with a PSU of some sort with a high internal impedance which would not be susceptible to change.
The time factor before the motor turns can be explained away with standard physics too !
Energy = power x time and power = VI cos φ as there is no movement P=VI although the resistance of the bad battery is very high its not “open circuit”and so there is current flow however small,
The voltage across an Inductance V=L di/dt and so at some point the motor must spin,
as soon as the motor turns we are no longer considering resistance … but rather Impedance and resonance in an impulse circuit … all bets are off in this state , we don't have the maths or engineering or deal with it. Its where EPD and others go into complicated fringe systems to try and explain to we numpties what the hells going on.
For five years David I don’t think you or the guys who have replicated have been far off the mark at all, That it can be bettered well of course it can … it could well end up The three battery system … with no batteries at all! ..quite quickly.
In the mean time the 3BS has overcome the very biggest of all the obstacles … It has removed the mental madness that tptb have carefully fostered and planted in each of us that COP+1 is Impossible madness. Like you David the people wont give up now.. when it happens its simply to much of a rush.IMHO diet coke has much to answer for

[Turion]

Duncan,
I'm just glad some folks have seen the same thing I have. When I first started posting at Overunity.com, NOBODY saw what I saw, and it was very,very discouraging. So discouraging in fact, that I gave up trying to convince folks. That was before I realized how RARE it is to find a battery that will actually WORK in this setup. I'm just glad there were some folks that were more persistent than average and kept at it until they HAD that moment when you connect up the right bad battery and you get to see the show. I will ALWAYS be grateful to them for that!!

I'm sure many of the things that pop into my mind are absolutely incorrect, but getting those thoughts out there for others to chew on is what this forum is all about. I got an email the other day from someone who said he wasn't going to post here until we have something that works. I tried to explain to him that the whole purpose of this thread is to be wrong, wrong, wrong, fail, fail, fail, until we get it right. And then we're right forever. And the more people that try different things, the better off we are. If we set up roadblocks across all the wrong roads because someone has already been down them, eventually there is only going to be one road left.

Dave

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, enjoy the thoughts being shared in this thread.
Have a 1.2 volt nimh AA cell, that no matter how long it is charged, mainly with radiant charger, it falls back to 0 volts.
Put a small motor in line, with another good, fully charged 1.2 volt AA cell as primary input and the little motor starts with a quick spin and gradually picks up speed as the dead battery gains voltage.
Seems like maybe this bad AA cell is shorted inside, wonder if this little setup could replicate similar effects, hmm.
Anyway, think you folks will nail this thing sometime.
Hi duncan, was it you that saw a battery frost over, built an adams pulse repulsion motor in the past and the coils started to go below the rooms ambient temperature, feeling very cold and never quite replicated that in other future motors.
peace love light
tyson

[Turion]

Sounds like you have the parts for a working setup. See how long you can run some 1 volt loads connected to the bad battery and that will tell you. My guess is, it will work for a REALLY long time. You might even try pulling some larger loads off the bad battery.

Dave

[a.king21]

Some answers

I did an experiment once that can shed some light here.
I had 2 sets of 4 nimhs in series. I had a 12 volt car lamp as a load.
I charged the batteries with a spark gap device.
Suddenly the light would go out. Then it would go on dimly, then it would light up to full brightness and so on.
I eventully caught this monkey and figured out what was going on.

When the light bulb was off I measured the two sets of nmhs.
one set was normal reading say 5 volts.
But here's the rub and read this CAREFULLY.
The other set had REVERSED POLARITY COMPLETELY!!
ie positive was negative and negative was positive.
So the lamp was telling the truth. The battery pack was cumulitively zero.
It was positive 5 volts on one side and NEGATIVE 5 volts on the other side.
Now, when the battery was charged up beyond a critical level, the reversal did not take place anymore!
I then realised that this was a powerfull tool if it could be tamed.
You guys have partially tamed it.
So here's what I bet is happenning to the bad battery.
1 Some of the cells have reversed polarity. ie positive has become negative and vice versa.
2 Some of the cells have doubled in voltage.
3 I put this down to FLASH charging of the IONS of the battery.
The surface of the ions are flash charged thus causing the electrolyte to move as if convenionally charged, but in reality this is a surface charge of what we call static.
Eventually this surface charge wears off and the battery returns to normal.
However it is a source of overunity and you have figured out how to use it.
Experiments and analysis very welcome.

[Duncan]

I did an experiment once that can shed some light here.
I had 2 sets of 4 nimhs in series. I had a 12 volt car lamp as a load.
I charged the batteries with a spark gap device.
Suddenly the light would go out. Then it would go on dimly, then it would light up to full brightness and so on.
I eventully caught this monkey and figured out what was going on.

When the light bulb was off I measured the two sets of nmhs.
one set was normal reading say 5 volts.
But here's the rub and read this CAREFULLY.
The other set had REVERSED POLARITY COMPLETELY!!
ie positive was negative and negative was positive.
So the lamp was telling the truth. The battery pack was cumulitively zero.
It was positive 5 volts on one side and NEGATIVE 5 volts on the other side.
Now, when the battery was charged up beyond a critical level, the reversal did not take place anymore!
I then realised that this was a powerfull tool if it could be tamed.
You guys have partially tamed it.
So here's what I bet is happenning to the bad battery.
1 Some of the cells have reversed polarity. ie positive has become negative and vice versa.
2 Some of the cells have doubled in voltage.
3 I put this down to FLASH charging of the IONS of the battery.
The surface of the ions are flash charged thus causing the electrolyte to move as if convenionally charged, but in reality this is a surface charge of what we call static.
Eventually this surface charge wears off and the battery returns to normal.
However it is a source of overunity and you have figured out how to use it.
Experiments and analysis very welcome.

Yes sir … that sorta fits, particularly regarding the spark gap/open circuit aspect, I rather lose touch with the advanced chemistry aspect of things and I certainly can't get my head around muon amplification .. But that's probably down to my own personal specific density …
I can however loosely grasp the electrical concepts when the likes of EPD slow it down to bottom gear. There is (and I guess all ways will be) activity and communication going on behind the thread.
There are various reasons one is, Its by folks who have already had a great deal of trouble and hassle from t.p.t.b and want no more. Another is the information might be related to an ongoing patent related to something very different yet a third.. the researcher in question wishes to trial and test an alteration before posting it and possibly leading the thread down a blind ally. .. I think the third option is to some extent a cop out and wish guys would post their idea's in order to stimulate others..I am also rather of the opinion that anything that even “might work” should be broadcast as soon as possible .. there is absolutely no hope of profit from “free energy” only Murder suffering and mayhem unless you get it out quickly and freely there's more bodies than enough scattered about to testify to that ... still that’s just my opinion.
anyway as regards the first two options that’s exactly what’s occurred and strangely it relates pretty much directly to what you have just posted, We are basically being instructed to split the cell and feed it with an H bridge centre tapped onto the middle plate of the cell .. which would rather force the situation you describe particularly if the cell is made Asymmetric… I have a deal of respect for the guy who sent the information and I certainly don't want to kill the goose that laid .. but as you perhaps start to see given the correct spacing and frequency the effect is going to be something along the lines you describe and might --- Just might provide an answer
Its obviously going to take some time to collect the required material for any sort of build let alone testing .. still it embraces your theories thank you for post... I think soon this young ladies going to tell all she knows one way or another

[Turion]

All,
There has been tons off off thread research going on into what would produce a usable third battery. Take a look at Patent US2143437 - RADIANT ENERGY SYSTEM - Google Patents
This patent is for a battery that pulls in radiant energy. Is that not EXACTLY what we are looking for?? It also discusses "tuning" to pull in the most energy, which is another topic discussed at length on this thread. Duncan, I hope you have a field day with this one.

Progress is going to get made on this thing one way or another. People are sending me things by PM's and email every day, and I try to give out as much information as possible. I also am as busy as I can be building and testing ideas to see what works and what does NOT. I have so many things I KNOW work, that most nights I just can't sleep because I know that very, very soon we are going to put something together that will change the world.

Almost anything I throw out here might be the spark that gets someone moving in the right direction. We're not trying to discover anything NEW here. All we're trying to do is recreate the knowledge base that early researchers built and was lost to us by fair means or foul. We know that the old patents are missing key pieces that make them work, but when enough of us put our heads together and DON'T GIVE UP, we can eventually figure these things out.


Dave