3 Battery Generating System

[tachyoncatcher]

Yes!

I've seen this before in a different setup.
1 I believe the motor was still acting as a generator.
2 I believe the reason for the voltage climb was conditioning of the good batteries 1 and 2.
3 Remember the circuit is a loop and pulsing the bad battery is the same as pulsing the primaries - hence conditioning of the primaries(1 and 2).
4 The inclusion of a new "bad" battery meant the circuit started again from a higher starting point due to the prior conditioning of the primary batteries 1 and 2.

5 I've conditioned (spike charged) good car batteries before and after switching off the high voltage spikes the battery voltages continued to climb, whereas in a normal battery charger the voltages fall after you switch off.

A few of my observations to a.king's numbered bullets above. May save someone a detour to nowhere.
1. Yes! A generator of a different kind. A sorta low voltage spark gap with capacitance (coil).
2. All primaries I have used are "spike pulse" charged/conditioned/seasoned from the start. The increase seams to come from the changing 3rd battery.
3. Absolutely.
4. & 5. My experience has shown spike charged batteries will, typically increase in voltage after the charger has been disconnected for a while. Indicative of a charged field (pressured environment) around the battery. The new 3rd batteries that I have had success with were, very much, like you described in an earlier post, zero. A neutral dipole. Not so much a battery, but something else. a.king, you know what we have here. We appreciate your experienced input.

Battery chemistry sharing. Turion, go for it. The reason I have not shared specifics on the forum is because they all failed. Yes, I got a few HUGE outputs. But at a cost. The positive connections in the cells of all of my successful 3rd batteries were reduced to disconnected, black stubs. The strange thing is I used 2 opposite electrolytes. The first was standard acid. The second was a salt electrolyte with magnesium traces. Both showed the same damage to the positive side of the cells. What I'm not sure of is what damage was already done as the batteries were already old, sulfated, dead batteries. I guess the main difference with my 3rd batteries was that they worked until they were toast! I ended up with lead scrap instead of a repaired battery. The voltage would start to climb, then fail. I have done all of my tests with 7Ah batteries as I get them for free. Maybe I just over powered them.
My nickels worth of 3rd battery experience.

Grounding is important. But not on the negative, on the spark gap. Oh wait! We don't have a spark gap..... Yes we do.
Have Fun,
Randy

[Turion]

A past thought from Orion Lightship

"Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

[OrionLightShip]

Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

"In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

hahaha....did I say all that? Sometimes I think I have something loose in my head....a sharp pointed screw maybe

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[tachyoncatcher]

Jogged Loose

Another something that may cause further confusion. Or not. My good 3rd batteries had infinite or quite large impedance. The motor would NOT start on its own. Period. I would have to get it going with a load on the 3rd battery. Then, once the motor was over around 660 rpm, the meters would start bouncing and the balancing fun began. electric load, physical load, electric load, physical load... Not too difficult as I had a second dc motor as a generator coupled to my pulse motor. Add small bulb to the load and the physical load would increase on the pulse motor. And so it went.

I will admit this. I did not wait for days to see if it would start. Gave it a couple hours and then put the load on it the first time. Then after the first time, I have always started the pulse motor with a load on battery 3.

And another thought, I have killed 3 inverters with this setup. As Turion said, be careful. Sharing is like a Scalar wave, it travels in all directions and can convert to usable energy. Lets go!

Randy

[Duncan]

"Clearly you are onto something of astronomical importance.

This is also clearly about impedance matching and wave inversion.

In a coax cable...a shorted end (R< Z) the wave is inverted. If a coax is open ended (R>Z) the reflected wave is non-inverted.

Perhaps you could find out the characteristic impedance of a "good" working battery as opposed to the impedance of a "bad" non-working battery. Not sure how to go about that. Also the actual DC resistance of a "good" battery opposed to a "bad"?

You might try using impedance changing transformers in your setup. After determining what is actually required. It may be possible then to use any battery.

Maybe no battery three at all? Just a bundle of shorted coax of the right impedance? Just loading the motor to run without power consumption would be ideal wouldn't it? Just my random thoughts hoping they will jog something loose in your head....good luck "

Dave

Sounds about right David I also remember the trigger for that reflection and it was TK using coax to adjust the standing wave as in a Balun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPe3DiYt2o
I also start to believe there is something of a semi- conductor action in that “bad battery”

[Duncan]

for consideration

A few of my observations to a.king's numbered bullets above. May save someone a detour to nowhere.
1. Yes! A generator of a different kind. A sorta low voltage spark gap with capacitance (coil).
2. All primaries I have used are "spike pulse" charged/conditioned/seasoned from the start. The increase seams to come from the changing 3rd battery.
3. Absolutely.
4. & 5. My experience has shown spike charged batteries will, typically increase in voltage after the charger has been disconnected for a while. Indicative of a charged field (pressured environment) around the battery. The new 3rd batteries that I have had success with were, very much, like you described in an earlier post, zero. A neutral dipole. Not so much a battery, but something else. a.king, you know what we have here. We appreciate your experienced input.

Battery chemistry sharing. Turion, go for it. The reason I have not shared specifics on the forum is because they all failed. Yes, I got a few HUGE outputs. But at a cost. The positive connections in the cells of all of my successful 3rd batteries were reduced to disconnected, black stubs. The strange thing is I used 2 opposite electrolytes. The first was standard acid. The second was a salt electrolyte with magnesium traces. Both showed the same damage to the positive side of the cells. What I'm not sure of is what damage was already done as the batteries were already old, sulfated, dead batteries. I guess the main difference with my 3rd batteries was that they worked until they were toast! I ended up with lead scrap instead of a repaired battery. The voltage would start to climb, then fail. I have done all of my tests with 7Ah batteries as I get them for free. Maybe I just over powered them.
My nickels worth of 3rd battery experience.

Grounding is important. But not on the negative, on the spark gap. Oh wait! We don't have a spark gap..... Yes we do.
Have Fun,
Randy

So here in its most basic terms is the lie Var is a wattless component that is quite obviously wrong
John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.. | MERLib.org
Not that I am simply throwing the theories of John Bedini at you .. but surly the rotoverter is doing the same thing, I might also suggest you stop and consider this … you scope across the battery terminals as you see a pulse … you assume quite reasonably that the pulse is common to both primary and secondary batteries , you are however tuning by hand and feel for best reaction.
That pulse at some point … (logic would say about the centre cell) could well be resonant and a perfect sine wave. … that's what I saw across a bad battery . With the push pull circuit I described earlier.... Not that in practice I would expect see that action across the battery terminals .. It is not what I envisaged at all .. I believe it is however happening inside the cell. I basically did what this guy is doing here with a coil and a sharp Pulse ., generated perfect sine waves .. (your pulse is much sharper of course... indeed almost a total reverse)
Square Wave Pulse Resonance - YouTube
across a “bad battery” and found not only that the battery has the same reaction but that it has sequential resonant points. This guy is parallel tuned (maximum voltage minimum current) where as of course I was series tuned (maximum current minimum voltage) so I could only watch the conversion into a sine wave at the very limit of my scopes definition .. I expected it to be there and it was. I must stress this is something I visualise occurring inside the cell .. not on the terminals (although you will see the effect on the terminals at a different frequency)... I only tested on the terminals because there was no option and I simply wanted to know if the theory would hang together.
I rather hope you can see that it isn't what your monitoring on the battery posts that have much significance at all but rather as David/ Orion suspects the impedance and internal resonance status of the Battery. ( which as I think I have posted else where I think is an overtone progression) but even ignoring that for the time being .. does that start to fit the effects for you perhaps ?
Re the Inverters Randy I have it in mind to try a couple of high voltage Diodes from a microwave one in the positive line and one in the negative and then a Neon across the Inverter .. I sorta hope the neon can save the inverter in much the same way as Bedini used it to save transistors in the ssg … perhaps not if its the linear wave flying, but worth a try methinks. Perhaps with a big cap as well .. No one likes popping inverters

PS found this interesting .. thought it might trigger a thought or two
QRG: One Wire Circuit - YouTube

[Turion]

As we're trying to get it "all out on the table" so to speak, let me add this to the dung heap.

Many of you have "conditioned" a battery using the Bedini system. What if someone took a conditioned battery, drained it of power, and put it in the third position. Since a conditioned battery doesn't WANT to accept the charge from a standard charger, might it last longer in position three???

The other thing Luthor and I were talking about this morning is that when we have a working setup, the loads you can put on battery 3 are HUGE, HUGE HUGE

In our fiddling and fooling with this setup, we might not be putting the kinds of loads on battery 3 we need to get the results we want to see.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

As we're trying to get it "all out on the table" so to speak, let me add this to the dung heap.

Many of you have "conditioned" a battery using the Bedini system. What if someone took a conditioned battery, drained it of power, and put it in the third position. Since a conditioned battery doesn't WANT to accept the charge from a standard charger, might it last longer in position three???
Dave

Tried the conditioned battery on position 3, that I discharged (mostly)! Charged it right up. Not what you want for a battery3. Oh, and try to kill one of those damn conditioned batteries. Take the short off and they will increase in voltage all by themselves. Even after days.

Randy

[Duncan]

Raking over old coals

For what its worth reading your post Randy brought to mind a post or PM some time ago by David ... I'm sure David will remember it , It Basically had all the important points you list.
But just from memory a capacitor from a microwave oven was used and stress was put on the grounding. I did have the capacitor to hand and so I tried the schematic . It was a miserable failure and I abandoned it.
Later information from this “source” to David Indicated that the capacitor Itself had to be “conditioned” I'd never heard of that operation before and abandoned the investigation .
If David's still got that circuit perhaps it might be worth revisiting .. although I'm still not at all sure about how to go about conditioning a capacitor. As I remember it was a very small motor being run .. still
It is an enigma this thing isn't it ? Like the link I put above for the one wire thing normal engineering does not apply throw the text books away ! Looks like we'll have to get by with “low cunning” .. Its a bit difficult when (as you see from the one wire thing) all the instruments are probably about as much use as a babies rattle.
As for conditioning .. I don't know much about what is actually happening in that operation, I recall watching a John Bedini Video in the “energy from the vacuum” series where he does point out a colour change on the plates to a slate colour with conditioned cells … perhaps that doesn't advance the cause much .. still if we just keep pecking away .. she'll tell the secrets .. soon I hope!

[Duncan]

for consideration

I put this link here because it came to me where I had seen the use for a rotary converter such as you have just got your hands on David .. being used to Drive COP+1 It was page 12 of this PDF
http://www.neophysicslabs.com/data/D..._knowledge.pdf
which might be worth considering, however now I look a very efficient inverter is being used .. as regards others .. I thought perhaps the simple Inverter construction at the start of the PDF that has been put together to best handle radiant spikes might be of use .. especially if the transformer’s of your popped inverters as still intact for a few ... they can live and breath again

[erfinder]

Tried that! Got the T-Shirt. Charged it right up. Oh, and try to kill one of those damn conditioned batteries. Take the short off and they will increase in voltage all by themselves. Even after days.

Randy

Soo......what specifically did you try..?

[tachyoncatcher]

Conditioning

Later information from this “source” to David Indicated that the capacitor Itself had to be “conditioned” I'd never heard of that operation before and abandoned the investigation .
If David's still got that circuit perhaps it might be worth revisiting .. although I'm still not at all sure about how to go about conditioning a capacitor. As I remember it was a very small motor being run .. still
It is an enigma this thing isn't it ? Like the link I put above for the one wire thing normal engineering does not apply throw the text books away ! Looks like we'll have to get by with “low cunning” .. Its a bit difficult when (as you see from the one wire thing) all the instruments are probably about as much use as a babies rattle.
As for conditioning .. I don't know much about what is actually happening in that operation, :

Duncan,
Any successful pulse charger with a cap dump to the charging battery will "condition" the caps. The dump circuit will get more efficient as time goes on. My guess is the caps get "conditioned". Depending on what you were doing with that cap, you could condition it for that specific purpose with a ttl circuit that counted the pulses before dumping the dielectric to a load. In this polluted brain of mine, I think the load is an important part of that conditioning (resistive vs inductive). Especially if Bedini turns out to be right and this stuf is reactive.

Guys, I hope this is ok. I am going to dump my thoughts out in the open as opposed to PMing you, as I have in the past. Our conversations should be out in the open as we are never smarter than the sum of the parts. Maybe Duncan can summarize the progress with a titled post of "Summary". He's so good at that. And that would be easily searched.
Randy

[tachyoncatcher]

See edited post

Soo......what specifically did you try..?

erfinder, I edited the post. Hope it is clearer for everyone.

[erfinder]

erfinder, I edited the post. Hope it is clearer for everyone.

That is what I thought you tried....this isn't what my suggestion to Turion was.... I am suggesting one try a completely crystallized battery.... A lead acid battery which has been completely ruined (in the conventional sense...crystallized) using the Bedini demonstrated process...

Quote:

"This mystery persisted for years. I have talked to some older engineers who report that local telegraph stations remained in operation despite the fact that their batteries had not been recharged for a great number of years. When the battery was examined it was actually dried out and physically corroded. Yet the signals continued." Stubblefield

End quote...

[Turion]

We have all the pieces for a working free energy system.

It's all there. Duncan has been talking about this on his thread, and all we have to do is open our eyes and look around. I am going to post this, then come back and edit it with a long explanation.

Here Goes:


I have personally seen several motors that consume less energy than they take to run. Matt's motor is one of these, (12 volts in but 14+ volts out running on the 3BGS) but so is UFO’s, so is erfinder’s motor. We HAVE a motor to run a free energy device and we ALL know how to build it. The pdf for Matt’s motor is HERE on this thread. But check out UFO’s motor thread and erfinder’s channel on YouTube.

Thaine Heins has showed us how to build generators that speed the prime mover up under load. Luther pointed out to me the other day that this may be just because they reduce the Lenz effect, and at some point this may slow down or stop, but all I care about is that until that happens, I can turn one of these generators for only the cost of the friction of the bearings and some heat, while reaping the benefits of the power it generates. Both the PMH generator that I stumbled on while messing with my PMH and that of erfinder (not to mention the other generators he has built) prove that Thaine knows what he is talking about. I have built small versions of these generators. (Two coil setups) I have SEEN that they speed up under load. I have a 12 coil setup run by Matt's pulse motor sitting on my bench as I write this.

So you take one of these motors and you put it together with one of these generators and what do you get? ……..But wait, there’s more! If you run this on the 3BGS setup and use a cap in the third position, the primaries last longer than they are supposed to, and you use up hardly any power. It goes through the motor and builds up in the cap. Can we devise a method to dump that cap back into the primaries while it is replaced by another cap? Or dump it into a different set of two primaries that are busy being charged while two other primaries are running the setup? This is not rocket science. For me one of the MOST IMPORTANT discoveries about the 3BGS was that you can run the motor on the POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE between the primaries and the secondary without using (hardly) ANY of that power up.

Then, if you bleed off a little of the voltage created by the generator to keep the primaries pulse charged, you get to use the rest “for free.” Bedini pulsed charged his primaries on the monoplole which I believe eventually ran down, but he wasn’t running on the 3BGS configuration either!

Do you see it? Is it really there? Or am I just losing my mind? I have built ALL these things. I have seen ALL these things WORK. I have put ALL these things together

What would you say if I said I have video of such a working system?

We have a bunch of folks testing a possible solution for the third battery, so we get closer every day to a setup that doesn’t need these other pieces to work as well as they do, but why not USE them when we know they work? It is time for some folks to get off their butts and build some stuff. Together we can figure this out, but not if you stand around talking instead of BUILDING.

Dave