3 Battery Generating System

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, meant to reply to this before also, though couldn't find the post from turion, thanks for posting it luther.
Quote from turion:

So you take one of these motors and you put it together with one of these generators and what do you get? ……..But wait, there’s more! If you run this on the 3BGS setup and use a cap in the third position, the primaries last longer than they are supposed to, and you use up hardly any power. It goes through the motor and builds up in the cap. Can we devise a method to dump that cap back into the primaries while it is replaced by another cap? Or dump it into a different set of two primaries that are busy being charged while two other primaries are running the setup? This is not rocket science. For me one of the MOST IMPORTANT discoveries about the 3BGS was that you can run the motor on the POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE between the primaries and the secondary without using (hardly) ANY of that power up.

So, tried two 12volt-7ah SLA in series, for 24 volt input, as primaries, then a 1.5 farad-12 volt (20v peak) car audio capacitor.
Used a 10 ohm-10 watt resistor inline, instead of motor.
Manually alternated charging capacitor from primaries, then disconnected capacitor for primary and dumped cap directly across a single 12volt-7ah SLA.
Resistor heated up quickly with capacitor dumping around 14-15 volts and dropping to 13 or so volts and back up.
Would imagine another resistor could be placed inline for the capacitor dump to take advantage of that also.
Guess good way to see how efficient this is, is keep swapping single battery being charged by capacitor dump and see how many will charge or a parallel 12 volt bank.
Probably nothing new, though not sure i have tested this in this particular way, by a complete disconnection for the capacitor dump.

If i am comprehending you turion, i see it, i think, at least with this simpler idea.
Need a relay for the cap dump/cap charge switching.
peace love light
tyson

[liber63]

Hi everybody!
Hi Luther! So after your request I uploaded 2 vids. The first is the classic 3GBS with just one bulb of 10watts which shines bright with the Motor turning at normal rate. After I turned off the video I continued keeping it up for 30 min totally and I had 0,02 volts dropped in P1 only. 2nd video just to show rc as a load and how differently the Motor behaves.
1) 3GBS - YouTube
2) 3GBS_2 - YouTube

Panos

[Turion]

Skywatchers,
Have you seen the video of the guy pulling the high voltage sparks off his charged cap by connecting to either the + or - lead and the base of the cap, and it doesn't discharge the cap? How about using that to pulse our motors with.

Dave

[LutherG]

Schematics

Someone download that video fast and let's get the schematic before it disappears! LOL

I would, but I'm on the road.

Dave

This video shows several schematics: YouTube. I hope this link works - my internet access is limited to my phone just now.

Best regards,

Luther

PS: I invited Igor Moroz to this forum.

[Turion]

LOL. My dad called me up on Saturday. He said two of his batteries from his solar setup would only charge up to just over 5 volts. They are six volt batteries. I explained how to put a 12 volt battery, a brushed DC motor and one of his 6 volt batteries into a 3BGS setup. He ran it on Saturday night until his 12 volt battery got low. Then put the 6 volt battery on the charger on Sunday. He called me today to say it is now taking a charge up to 7.5 volts with no problem off a conventional charger. He thinks we should patent this.

[OrionLightShip]

Skywatchers,
Have you seen the video of the guy pulling the high voltage sparks off his charged cap by connecting to either the + or - lead and the base of the cap, and it doesn't discharge the cap? How about using that to pulse our motors with.

Dave

Hi Dave,
Do you have a link to that video? I would like to see it if possible.

Thanks

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[Turion]

It's by ibpointless2.

Captret - Capacitor Electret - YouTube

[erfinder]

It's by ibpointless2.

Captret - Capacitor Electret - YouTube

Question...

What is the capacity across the "alternative" connection method...?

Regards

[Turion]

Capacity (meaning how long will it last????) seems to be unlimited. Or how much is there??? Don't know if it can be measured using standard instruments. Don't know voltage or amps.

Dave

[erfinder]

Capacity (meaning how long will it last????) seems to be unlimited. Or how much is there??? Don't know if it can be measured using standard instruments. Don't know voltage or amps.

Dave

Well...The effect is real..unfortunately...there is a drop in the potential measured across the main terminals of the capacitor when the alternative connection is discharged through a load....I measured a 2 volt decrease...the test was performed using a 10,000uF cap and not a super cap..... it can be used to drive a motor...

I discharged this "alternative" connection method into an air core coil...in the core I placed a magnet, there was enough energy in this alternative connection to cause the magnet to dance around in the core of the coil...Once the voltage dropped...the party was over, and the capacitor had to be topped off again... I will definitely look into this phenomena..and will find a practical application for it...

Regards

In my opinion....it feels like we are dealing with a capacitor of lower capacitance than an electret phenomena......the fact that the new connection method doesn't recharge, and the main dielectric looses charge is like an indicator of the effect not being electret related...I hope I'm wrong....

[Duncan]

sweet dreams ...

I love Ibpointless2 s stuff and whilst I don't want to “bog down” in higher maths and particle physics .. I know there are many reading who have an acumen that way and so perhaps they can engineer up in the right direction once they read this explanation of how and why this circuit probably works, It seems to me the more I write and share … the more information comes to pester and haunt in the night and the more we all know … so here we go .. whilst passing no judgement myself,.. from the reaction of extremely clever men both at the time, throughout the years, and up to the present day It seems the work of Albert Einstein was a “forced measure” EPD says very bluntly for a quiet gentleman The thing was a conspiracy, In this regard he is supported by some real giants … Nicola Tesla , Oliver Heavyside, Robert Adams,Harold Aspen .. to name just a very few but of course the list goes on and on.
Aether Force | Tesla, Steinmetz, Alexandersson & Eric Dollard
Still none of that helps very much unless folks can clearly see where the flaw is …. the progression (may have) gone like this Ludvig Lorenz > Antoon Lorentz > Albert Einstein and the Lorentz transformations. For those who just want this simple here's a potted version and an experiment which basically demonstrates that E = MC2 is PiSSSSh when an object is “in spin”
http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/spinning_ball.pdf
you really don't need to know any more other than …. Its wrong … we've not only been sold a lemon! But have been force fed the bloody thing!
For those who can see deeper the problem arrives regarding force laws …. here the error is expanded …

BASIC KNOWLEDGE FOR FIELDS
A field is called conservative when any closed line integral of work is zero. A conservative field is characterized by a potential. A non conservative is not associated by potential function
MAGNETISM

Similar and more complicated is the situation in magnetism or actually in interaction between two arbitrary currents or more precisely interactions between moving charges. The author has experience of forty years on these interaction and the relevant conservation of energy* will be presented shortly here...
Here we are. This presentation will be posted gradually as it will be developed as time permits for short periods of* times each occasion. The electromagnetic force widely accepted physics,* is described by the Lorentz force law F=e(E+Bxu/c2) where it* is composed of an electrostatic E part and one pure magnetic part B exterior product with the the velocity u. Due to the magnetic part. action and reaction is not equal and opposite. This is the most strange part which is very well known and accepted in* conventional physics by the most but not all (like me, for example).. What is is not well known is that B should be due to* a closed circuit and only that. Many tricks are incorporated to overcome this, the biggest trick is that of exchanged virtual photons in microscopic physics. But nothing is done for macroscopic physics. For all these reasons I will suggest instead of Lorentz force law the equivalent and unknown today force law of Ampere



or taking into account the coulomb interaction and the equivalence Ids = qv



Forming the following* circuit we notice that the lamp is brighter when the arcing device is arcing compared when the arcing*



The materialization of circuit of diagram 1. is due to the late Physicist Leon Dragone. Its explanation is due to Professor Pappas
device is arcing. This can be explained only by the ampere law. The velocity of the charge carriers in the copper wires is of the order of mm/s, though the velocity of charge carriers in the arcing the velocity there is much much bigger. The explanation by the Ampere law is as follows. This law exhibits a longitudinal force compressing the carriers. As the current interrupts due to arcing, the slow moving charges in the metallic conductors stops relative sooner with the fast moving charges in the arc. So, there is short period of time that there still an isolated current in the arc without a respective current in the rest metallic circuit. This causes short length of current in the arc to decompress, providing an excess energy with a noise. This phenomenon is analogous to lightning in the sky from the clouds with a strong noise which is called thunder. This phenomenon occurs where the Geological electric field is lowered than the normal Geological field of good weather. Falling several lightings from the sky, the Geophysical raises back to normal at the end. This results that lightning is not discharge process, as commonly believed, a charging process which gives energy to the Geological field! A phenomenon of generation of energy from energy, This also explains why PAPIMI is over unity as a sparking device
I should hope a lot of you reading can see …. no closed circuit = no lenz effect which rather explains how Ibpointless2 and others can drive the capacitor circuit so.
For those who are simply enjoying experimenting and wrestling with the 3BS system I offer the following suspicions … after Randy pointed out the melting of the battery posts I then read this
Telluric Currents and the Earth Battery | Non-Lexical Vocables
As you all know I suspect this is linear wave and mostly Ground and extremely High frequency. As always EPD has written an authoritative work on the subject
System for reception and Transmission of Telluric Waves by Eric Dollard newer pdf free ebook download from gestaltreality.com
Just reading through EPDs stuff and absorbing what I can seems to calm the fevered brow
anyway after the post where I suggested we were trying to … track a natural resonance point
and posting the Royer oscillator .. another came to mind which plays the same song pretty much
Self Resonating Circuts | Teslas for Sustainable Society
although I haven’t given it much thought …. yet … Interesting to think the telluric current I consider here is probably responsible for all the acts of divining rods … big RF current hits water .. makes sense when you think about it ….. It would also be Interesting to dowse those batteries when your “In the zone” .. there's a little to think about … if I cant sleep the least I can do is make sure you don't either

[a.king21]

Get a load of this LOL!

Turion, Duncan et all.

I have been in discussions with the greatest, and he has come up with this gem.
Chapter 6 page 19 onwards. Full build with a self acting system using dead batteries.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf

Enjoy. Let's hope this is it.

[Duncan]

REAC reaction

Turion, Duncan et all.

I have been in discussions with the greatest, and he has come up with this gem.
Chapter 6 page 19 onwards. Full build with a self acting system using dead batteries.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf

Enjoy. Let's hope this is it.

Thanks a,king I'm a fan of Ossie's work ,, but like a lot of COP +1 machines There are issues .. stability and that relay... which burns out very quickly … also just like this system eventually the batteries charge
--- but the major issue as far as I experienced it .. is this circuit of Ossies isn't “tuned” and so cannot hope to deliver the same energy as the 3BS .. it isn't that it doesn't work .. It does but by comparison to this system its feeble. There is another of Ossies systems that I built called the infinite power supply
The Callanan's Infinite Power Supply (IPS) : Full tests report by JL Naudin
same sort of thing relying on “bad batteries” with no adjustment once its running.. again with very careful static adjustment and a feeble load … It works, I really dont think the guys on this thread who have seen the energy and power of a “tuned system” are any too interested in taking a step backwards. Still thanks for posting it again a.king always nice to be reminded of Ossie's work.

[tachyoncatcher]

Turion, Duncan et all.

I have been in discussions with the greatest, and he has come up with this gem.
Chapter 6 page 19 onwards. Full build with a self acting system using dead batteries.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf

Enjoy. Let's hope this is it.

@a.king21,
Thanks for the new source for the PJK book. Always a valued resource. I think most of us here, have played around with the Ossman's work. While this is similar, it is different at the same time. Those of us who have seen the 3BGS in action, have seen it do real work. Very much like TK's stuff. Also, like TK's stuff, it is a bear to control consistently.

It's the knowledge, that a few have intuitively figured out, that we need to discover and document for all. Most have died with their knowledge. Those still around...... well, I guess they haven't figured out HOW to share that information. a.king, you may know of those I speak. Thanks for sharing. At the risk of sounding all soupy, I believe the world will not receive this mastering until it is given in the spirit of love.
Good luck all!
Randy

[a.king21]

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks tachyoncatcher and Duncan. I didn't realize you were ahead of me there. Still, it'll save me a lot of unnecessary work and that is useful.