3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

When you "engineer out" lenz as well as the attraction of the rotor magnets to the cores of the coils, you can spin HUGE ROTORS with magnets on them past as many coils as you can manage to fit around the rotor for VERY LITTLE INPUT. This means you can achieve outputs far greater than the input. Whatever the coil puts out times however many coils you have, and admire, because they cost NOTHING and do not affect the input! One day I will post all the proof here and then those who believe this is worth nothing will look like exactly what they are. But since they choose to hide their identity they will simply assume a new one and pretend it was not THEM.

[NROC]

Impedance of an Electrical System

I just wanted to chime in here to bistanders post about phase angle.

It is actually a fact in electrical engineering that any system that uses AC has impedance and the phases of the currents and voltages play a major role. Tesla's coils allow you to have much larger distributed capacitance than winding a normal coil. The advantage of that is that the capacitive reactance and inductive reactance of the coils cancel each other out at a specific frequency without needing to add discrete capacitors. When that situation occurs the magnetic fields of the system cancel each other out and the only losses in a system are ohmic losses. This is what Tesla means by 'no self induction' and this is electrical engineering 101, it is resonance, and the idea that this cannot happen in a motor or generator is not something impossible at all. Engineering the phase of the currents and voltages in a system is done all the time but it is just that the mainstream EE community doesn't investigate it because Lenz's Law is taken.... Well... as a law when in reality it is simply an effect that shows up and doesn't mean it cannot be overcome.

Dave is making progress on something that is a truly useful device and he has been clever enough to engineer out the lenz effect.

[Iamnuts]

Caution.

One word of caution, “beware”.
If we manage to capture a particle from the vacuum we may just evaporate
like a black hole.

[Iamnuts]

Mistake.

Should’ve been 186,000 miles a second. PDQ which ever way.

[Iamnuts]

In the past.

Odd fellow, that Aaron,trying to peddle ancient stuff. Suggesting I have
mental health problems.
Generators etc. use induction which is admirably demonstrated with
relativity.
Lead Acid has had its day, as for saying increase the voltage with micro pulses,
who on earth could spend time doing that?
The way ahead is with ever improving solar panels, wind and feeding into
long life storage batteries. Make hay while the sun shines.We need batteries
which will accept high charge rates and deal with repeated deep dod.
Quantum is for real and we have to accept it. If the is something to be found
in energy it’s going to be there.
Although poor old Einstein was troubled by his apparent failure with his
cosmological constant it has been found that he wasn’t too far off the mark
anyhow.
The future is exciting as far as energy goes. Robust thyristors have made
HVDC transmission a reality, this will allow people to harvest the wind and
sun and deliver it to where it’s needed.
Come on guys, leave the past behind and enjoy the future technology.
Look at the savings that can be made with new lighting and cooling.
This is called “Energetic Forum”,let’s see it live up to its name!
Remember, you won’t get past Newton 3 with bits of wire and magnets
and the sign change Lens predicts has happened at 186,000 mph.
John. Beat that if you can!

[Aaron]

Don't kill the dipole and ZPE misnomer

Now I find this quite fascinating. This is about zero point energy, the fact that
you can “borrow as long as it is short term” amazes me.

That is a misunderstanding of what ZPE means. ZPE is only one of many signs that space in and of itself is in a state of flux or movement - space is not filled with that potential, space is that potential.


Borrow it short term?

If you have a flashlight, that battery breaks the symmetry of the "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" as Bearden would say, but more accurately and simply, the battery polarizes the aether - it can't get any simpler.

That aether moves over the wire and is the electromotive force that potentiates or pulls the electrons to start moving in the opposite direction. So as long as that dipole is maintained, which on a "closed" circuit flashlight, that battery's charge separation will move towards equilibrium bit by bit. The point is that it is not a short term borrowing of what ZPE is evidence of and will last an infinite amount of time if a dipole can be maintained infinitely.

How can the claim be substantiated that it can be borrowed from but only short term? It can't.

ZPE is only describing what the aether is doing at or near absolute zero - that does NOT mean that ZPE is what the aether is. You are confusing the activity that the object is doing with the object itself.

• ZPE is the activity of the aether at or near absolute zero.
• FALLING is what an object does under the downward push of the aether when there is nothing stopping it's movement downward.
• There are countless examples of things that describe what the aether is doing.

Referring to ZPE as the stuff is 100% identical to the example if I referred to the aether as FALLING. "We can borrow from FALLING but only for a short time." That would be absurd but it is also equally absurd to refer to ZPE in the same way. You're looking at the elephant's footprint and are calling it the elephant. A boat zooms past you on a lake, you don't see the boat, but are actually calling the waves the boat when referring to ZPE in such a way. Most people refer to ZPE in the same way so it's not unique to you, but it is a misnomer nevertheless.



A dipole can be indefinitely maintained and in doing so, we are utilizing (borrowing from) the aether for a very long period of time. That is the point to the prime mover side of things. How do you maintain the charge separation in the batteries? At the next conference, you'll see yet another machine that keeps itself charged up. Probably hasn't been charged in over a year, can go nearly 10,000 RPM with a big heavy rotor and it turns a regular motor with full Lenz Law drag as the generator! Not even a specialized one like what Dave has built. Yet, the batteries stay charged up. Don't kill the dipole - that is as literal as it can be and means it is false that "ZPE" can only be borrowed from for a short time.

[Aaron]

low drag generator methods

The quantum nonsense is a dead end - only a distraction to take people off the path of the aether physics developed by JJ Thomson, Faraday, etc. they had already accounted for what quantum physics tries to as well as what it cannot. I used to believe in the quantum nonsense wholeheartedly.



The keys to the low drag generator methods are all in the 3rd Advanced book in the SG trilogy at Bedini SG - The Complete Handbook Series for the Bedini SG & Bedini SSG. We give several methods - not theoretical, we built them and they worked and have demonstrated a few. Peter did an excellent job breaking it down in that book.

The gen coil Peter and I built clipped the voltage at the peak of what was generated - prime mover can't really see any load. That is just one way and there are many.



David just gave away one of the origins with the Tesla bifilar patent.

The Tesla bifilar winding method to increase capacitance in the coil has many applications. Used it years ago in some Stan Meyer type of VIC (voltage intensifier circuits) - winding the chokes in that method easily doubles the voltage output.

The Kromrey Generator that John Bedini built also has low drag effects and under certain circumstances will speed up under load. It also can charge a very large 8 volt maybe 225 ah battery with much more energy than can be accounted for by measuring what leaves the generator coils. Peter and I were right there at the bench when John did it. The Kromrey can also run without the prime mover as well. To my knowledge, nobody else has been able to do that.

Also keep in mind that in certain windows of opportunity, an inductor can lose 100% of all its inductance so it can be charged virtually instantaneous with no charging ramp/curve. It's an amplification of the magnetism's power (not necessarily energy). However, because of the very sharp gradient, it is polarizing the aether in an impulse, which can draw in more potential so there can be energy gains as well as power gains. It has been known for many decades that sharp gradients can and do violate conventional thermodynamics.

I also see bistander and iamnuts are incapable of acknowledging the stupid little self running - self charging oscillator, which flushes all their conventional beliefs down the drain - and it was done with capacitors to add insult to injury.

"Let's ignore the things we ask for and just keeping posting irrelevant drivel to drown out the facts." - Iamnuts & bistander

[Turion]

Thoughts

Nobody who spends their time researching free energy so that they can make the world a better place is a "Silly old fool". Free energy will change the world, and that future is not far off.

[Turion]

Thoghts

Nobody who spends their time researching free energy so they can make the world a better place is a "Silly old fool." Just saying. It's real, and it will change the world. The future is not that far off.

[Iamnuts]

Fascinating.

Now I find this quite fascinating. This is about zero point energy, the fact that
you can “borrow as long as it is short term” amazes me.

First, quantum fluctuations do violate the conservation laws but they do it on a very small time scale. This is allowed by quantum physics. In simple terms, quantum mechanics allows “borrowing” of energy or momentum for very short time.

We sort of know a fair bit about how nature works but I feel there’s quite a
bit more to come. It’s so exciting getting to see what’s going on and for me as
my life is almost over, that makes me feel sad.

I’d love to know if any of you believe that relativity is the right way to look
at EM induction.
To me quantum and Heisenberg’s uncertainty are key to more complete
understanding.
Or
Perhaps I am just a silly old fool.

[Iamnuts]

Purcell.

Magnetism, Radiation, and Relativity

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

tomorrow I should receive the magnets to try the magnetic neutralization with. Same diameter as the cores, and I ordered different widths for best adjustments.

Question:

Thanks to the magnetic neutralization, do you see the amp reduction during startup only, or also at full speed, compared to a setup with no neutralization?

cheers,
Mario

[Turion]

Coils

The coils I am using are 12 strands of #23 each 253 feet in length. That fills the bobbin. Then four strands are connected in series per Tesla's patent, so I end up with 3 strands in parallel coming off the coil. Longer strands would, of course, give higher voltage, and more strands that are shorter give higher amperage. The output of the coil is dependent on the number of magnets on the rotor and the rpm /input voltage to the motor.

The first time I got speed up under load with only two coils on the machine and a load running on only one of them, that coil put out 120 volts at .75 amps. This is exactly what the bulb I was using drew when it was connected to the wall, so I got REALLY excited. My coil was three wires, each strand of #23 each 300' long. That was with only six 2" magnets on the rotor instead of twelve 1" magnets, and running at 12 volts instead of 24, so my coil production has GREATLY improved. I have a video somewhere of that machine running and speeding up under load and it shows the output of that coil. It is the first video I made of the first version of the generator and sent to Matt.


The stock MY1016 motor is strong enough to turn this setup at the required 2800 rpm on only 12 volts. When I was using it, I had a rotor with six magnets on it and a coil on each side of each magnet, so 12 coils. I had to pulse one coil to break the magnetic lock and then hit the switch to start the motor. It pulled WAY more amps than it was rated for to get up to speed, and I could only start the machine four or five times this way before it just burnt up the motor. I went through half a dozen motors before I decided to move to the MY1020.

I didn't have magnetic neutralization then. Now that I do, I don't need the bigger motor. But I have FOUR of them and no MY1016 motors that aren't burnt up.

[Aaron]

low to no drag generator coils

By definition, the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial charging magnetic field. The two opposing magnetic fields being forced together is what the motor has to overcome and why the amp draw of the motor goes up when the generator coils are under load.

In other words, as a magnet approaches a coil that is connected to a load forming a completed circuit, a magnetic field will be formed in the coil that opposes the field of the approaching magnet. At top dead center the field in the coil flips polarity, attracting the magnet that is trying to move away.

Read Tesla patent 512,340. In it he describes a method for winding a coil so that the capacitance of the coil is increased to the point that, when the rotor with a proper number of magnets on it is turned at the proper speed (fast enough) the formation of that opposing field does not occur soon enough to repel the approaching magnet. If it is formed at exactly the right time there is NO reaction at all (and the generator coil produces the MOST power). If it is formed s bit later, just as the rotor magnet passes top dead center, it pushes the magnet away in the direction it is moving. Less power is produced by the coil in this case.

Per Tesla:
"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. (No Self induction means NO OPPOSING FIELD CREATED!) This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency."

Because there is no opposing field under load, there is no increased amp draw of the motor when the coils are under load. My motor pulls 12 amps at 24 volts whether there is a load on the coils or NOT.

The trick was figuring out how many wires at what length to wind a coil that would match the number of magnets I had on the rotor turned by the specific motor running on 24 volts at a specific rpm. Anything under 2800 rpm and I do not get the effect. Too much rpm and I get speed up under load or lens assist, and power output goes DOWN. It took over a year to figure out all the variables and put together the perfect coil for this machine. But ANY coil will work as long as you can figure out how fast the rotor has to turn for THAT particular coil. The problem is, sometimes that rpm is way higher than your motor can achieve or your rotor can withstand.

Tesla also says you can increase the capacitance of the coil by using a capacitor along with it and get the same result, but I have never tried that. I do not remember if he said in series or parallel, but I imagine it was in series. In the old days they used expensive bulky capacitors. His "invention" replaced that.

Several years back when Peter demonstrated the bicycle wheel SG with the generator coil, the intention was to show a low drag generator coil that of course did not have the normal associated drag for equivalent power output.



We wound that with I think 10 wires each was about 100 feet long on the coil form and the top of each was wired to the bottom of the next and so on using the exact principle in Tesla's patent. We weren't going for anything super tuned so the 10 wires was just an arbitrary number - maybe it was 12 but at least 10 minimum for sure.



The output of that gen coil went to some caps to keep them charged up and it could light a board with about 40 bright white led's to full brightness and when it was turned on and the gen coil mount was just right - the rotor had ZERO change in RPM. Have seen that countless times and being that the LEDs are powered from that cap with steady DC, the power factor of 1.0 - all real power and no drag on the wheel.



Of course this is just flea power compared to the gen coils you've experimented with. We tried to put people on that track back then and not one single person ever contacted us to let us know they actually applied that principle. I don't know why more people aren't experimenting with it either. I have to a point in regards to the Kromrey machine built by Bedini, but been swamped with the MWO manufacturing project for the last 15 months or so.

I've done that plenty of time small scale as well and it works just like how you say it does.



Another way to negate the cogging is shorting the coil, which quite a few more people have experimented with over the years. Magnet moves in and induces current into the coil. Coil is shorted and creates a counter magnetic field that bucks the polarity on the magnet that induced that counter current to begin with and it repels the magnet, thereby neutralizing the cogging effect, coil is open then you get the high voltage spike.

For me, the jury is out on what method is better or perhaps the Tesla bifilar wiring method and coil shorting together is the ultimate.

When bistander says "sounds like" - that is code for the fact that he doesn't understand what you're sharing about the generator coil and is trying to make it match something that makes sense to him already since many cynics such as him think overunity claims are usually attributed to phantom power measurements by having bad power factor. What he doesn't understand is even if there is bad power factor, reactive power can be turned into real power - something he has no knowledge or experience doing because that is supposed to be impossible in the realm of conventional science.



It is also possible to take the reactive element in mechanical systems and divert it in a way to assist the forward work in the system. So it is using the "equal and opposite" reaction to your benefit just like using Lenz Law to your benefit in negating the cogging action by shorting a coil at the right time.

[Turion]

Terms

It doesn't matter what you call it.

What it means is that with the use of magnetic repulsion, which I have explained, and delayed Lenz, which I have explained. You can build HUGE ROTORS with TONS of magnets on them passing HUGE coils, and the input amperage the motor requires to turn that rotor is what it would be just rotating anything of the same weight, and does NOT increase under load. I have seen this on 9 different machines I have built. I have videos of it doing this under load. RPM of the motor goes up and amp draw goes down. Increased rpm means more power output from the generator coil because more magnets pass the coil in a shorter amount of time. All positives. All the issues that make it impossible for an electric motor to turn a generator and produce adequate power to make it worthwhile are eliminated. I have seen what happens to the amp draw of the motor when you use all 12 coils to give you lenz assisted rotation, and it is extremely impressive, but you sacrifice the power output.

This is by NO MEANS perfected. The coils with iron cores heat up and the machine can only run for about 30 minutes at a time without burning up the coils. I have burnt the coils up TWICE because of this, and that is $800 worth of wire down the drain on TWO different occasions. I was in the process of testing core materials when we decided to move and sell our old house and now I have NO TIME for this.

Anyone who has a rotor with magnets on it and can wind a coil can verify whether or not I am telling the truth. Why more people are not building this I cannot understand. Just a rotor and ONE coil would be enough to start experimenting with different core materials to see how it affects production and heat accumulation. It would also prove the magnetic neutralization and delayed lenz.