3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

Thats not what I meant of course you use meters. So you measure your primaries at 24 + then you look at the current that goes through the motor. Then what you times 24 +- volt times the current and that you get watt count?

Thats what I am getting at...

You don't need to give the same info you have 3 times before about theories on the motor being a choke that causes some special effect that no other style can cause, your wrong and you'll see what I am talking about when its done being built.

I am just wondering how you get 100's of watts from a 7 amp hour battery and my1016 motor when I cannot get 80 watts out of it. So if you could just slim it down to the basic info of what you measure, where you measure and give me those numbers. I mean you keep saying hundreds of watts so I would hope at least this was meant to be the truth.

Matt

[shylo]

To Matt

Hi Matt , A couple questions if I may, in the schematic on post 2630 ,which motor are you using?
I don't have a razor motor, but I do have a few motors similar. Some stock some ,I wound myself and also one wound the way you showed.
Also you show a capacitor between the 2 dead batteries, what is the voltage rating ,and how do you determine values?
I've been running your schematic , but I don.t have AGM batteries ,also I only have 2 decent batteries for primaries, am using a bank of Maxwell super caps in place of a buffer battery.
I have to keep switching positions ,with caps and primaries but am seeing charging.
Just curious as to your motor and cap values.
Thanks for your time.
artv

[tachyoncatcher]

Hundreds of watts load

Hey folks,
Here is a quick video of a down and dirty 3BGS Modified, running with Hundreds of watts load. It can be done. No magic or mystery here, just effort and understanding.
100s of watts from a 3BGS - YouTube
Good Luck,

Randy

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt , A couple questions if I may, in the schematic on post 2630 ,which motor are you using?
I don't have a razor motor, but I do have a few motors similar. Some stock some ,I wound myself and also one wound the way you showed.
Also you show a capacitor between the 2 dead batteries, what is the voltage rating ,and how do you determine values?
I've been running your schematic , but I don.t have AGM batteries ,also I only have 2 decent batteries for primaries, am using a bank of Maxwell super caps in place of a buffer battery.
I have to keep switching positions ,with caps and primaries but am seeing charging.
Just curious as to your motor and cap values.
Thanks for your time.
artv

I was just running a stock razor scooter motor. The voltage rating for the cap is on the schematic it a 1uf, 16volt, Aluminum can type. The reason I chose that is because I didn't think it would hold enough power to make a difference to the dead batts and it probably wouldn't pop.

Could you please lay out all the info on your system including loads and motor type if you have it, Amp hour CCA rating on the batts including the dead Ones.

I would be really grateful.

Thanks
Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Hey folks,
Here is a quick video of a down and dirty 3BGS Modified, running with Hundreds of watts load. It can be done. No magic or mystery here, just effort and understanding.
100s of watts from a 3BGS - YouTube
Good Luck,

Randy

See Randy thats where your B***sh*t gets to be to much. Not one meter in the whole show. Except an outlet meter. And why not Balance the system. You do everyday.

You just got done saying today the MY1016 could push Hundreds of watts. And when I asked you HOW ARE YOU MEASURING. You side stepped the question with nonsense. Why not show whats going through the motor? At 200+ watts on the inverter that motor should "Technically" be pushing around 20 amp.

See and this is the real question. Is there really that much power going through the motor? Or is something else going on.

If for instance you could pull that load and at the same time not have that much power going through the motor, then what?

No but you put this mystery babble and act like your just doing us all a favor even acknowledging us.

Well have fun with yourself.

See the thing is I am looking for confirmation, not trying to doubt. But your games and babble just lead me to one conclusion.

Sorry
Matt

[tachyoncatcher]

See Randy thats where your B***sh*t gets to be to much. Not one meter in the whole show. Except an outlet meter. And why not Balance the system. You do everyday.

You just got done saying today the MY1016 could push Hundreds of watts. And when I asked you HOW ARE YOU MEASURING. You side stepped the question with nonsense. Why not show whats going through the motor? At 200+ watts on the inverter that motor should "Technically" be pushing around 20 amp.

See and this is the real question. Is there really that much power going through the motor? Or is something else going on.

If for instance you could pull that load and at the same time not have that much power going through the motor, then what?

No but you put this mystery babble and act like your just doing us all a favor even acknowledging us.

Well have fun with yourself.

See the thing is I am looking for confirmation, not trying to doubt. But your games and babble just lead me to one conclusion.

Sorry
Matt

Dude,
Your rude! I now think Duncan was right about you. You do misquote and take things out of context. You can just go on playing with your meters and chokes and what ever floats your boat for another 7 years. We'll get it figured out regardless.
GOOD LUCK,
Randy

[Matthew Jones]

Ya I expected that was the answer. In fact with the context of what you have talking about against the chokes and for the motor, or basically scrapping any alternative without testing, leads to me to believe you and Duncan both felt that accusing me of some nonsense was good idea. Together..

Does Duncan know you think his Babble is worthless? Or at least thats what you told David so you could find out what my next little step was.

See I want to believe that what your doing is working. I hope with all thats in me, it is. And you could with one little correct test and film prove pretty conclusively that it is. Instead you choose the gutter of doubt and accusation when challenged.

Sorry Randy, I won't go away. I know what you are, you revealed that some time ago to me.

Tests I did today have showed me I am correct. When you see the film they show you I am correct as well. But I have a little more work to do before that. But never doubt I will cover my bases and show as much as I can.

Good day to you and your BS, I hope the TESTING FOOL in you succeeds.

Matt

[Duncan]

rumpus in the play ground.

Babble ? Babble indeed , I'm cut to the Quick .. pages of erudite brilliance dismissed in a word Oh how harsh … be still my beating injured heart ! Every one accusing each other with gusto .. what fun! where's Zardox It must be my turn again soon surly. (see if I care) On a more serious note those who have run the system know its worth and that's nearly as far as the story needs to go, everybody is busy trying to confirm and stabilize the system that’s just fine and dandy.
Every body who has run this thing in balance knows beyond a shadow of doubt it works, by extension all the conspiracy theories are correct, Its simple logic girls and boys either /or.
That being the case I repeat anyone on this thread (or any other) for that matter (including myself) could well be an agent, It may also be true that I wished to gauge the level of response and from what direction. Re this testing on video .. what's the point ? If you actually wished to deceive someone and send false information there surly is absolutely no better medium than a faked video.?
They are to amuse and inform they In no way prove anything, surly the only way to prove is to duplicate. For the moment the options are … believe the man or not , I personally believe the man knows what an Amp/hr is and ohms law I think most of us know what this systems capable of anyway. Enough people have run for hours and hours to put it beyond doubt. As for video's bring back the "smokin glove" (luv that vid)
From the bridge and the balance accomplished with Randy adding another battery it gets closer and closer . The system is all ready viable IMHO and I am simply doing what others are, and trying to examine the balance w.r.t. What exactly ??. I view it as “Aetheric impedance matching” for want of a better phrase, The difference is I am trying to accomplish it at UHF.
Poking my own “Babble” with a sharp stick to see if it will stand up or go pop like a balloon. (if you like that idea) It is however taking a lot longer to build this stuff than it is to write and theorise about it. I would point out however that its not “my theories” I wish I was that bright, its simply a lot of other peoples theories proofs and demonstrations put together in a very unusual way. (Thats why all the links are there)
Still I am happily engaged. In the mean time I wish you'd all behave in the sand pit and stop throwing all the toys at each other, Yeah I know I started it … It wasn’t meant to give you all “carte Blanche” though . Regardless of who's doing what … or thinking what, this thing won't be stopped now by anybody. Its good enough to be presented Now I dare say with a good following wind .. however regardless of my Hoo Haa re Matt , which was all about an incident well over a year ago anyway perhaps we can settle down .. and make this thing even better.

[Matthew Jones]

Its fine with me.

But like I said a man makes a lot of statement then can't answer a question. He ain't worth a bean.

Tell the truth, stick to your story, show your facts. Thats all it takes.

I will be the first one to call you out if you don't.

Matt

[Zardox]

Yes Duncan I am here and have been from the beginning. My last post was not directed at you although after writing it I admit that it probably sounded like it. The point I was trying to make was that it is almost imposable to tell who may or may not be the enemy. I am not yours even though you have already accused me of being the agent of the powers to be. This thread is progressing very nice and I would just like to point out that relationships of any type are not easy and take some give and take. We all have different styles and ideas which sometimes make it difficult to get along but the same is true with coworkers, friends, family or what ever. Most all of us have the same goal so lets just take a breath and continue on.
I personally have other research going on and am on a fixed income and cannot afford to experiment with this system at this time. However I keep an eye on this thread because I believe you folks are getting very very close and will figure it out.
Best of luck to everybody!

[shylo]

set-up

Hi Matt, My set-up is constantly changing, currently using your schematic, but am using a bank of 7 Maxwell caps , 2500 F, 2.5 volts in series for the buffer.
P1 says 1000 marine crank, P2 650 cca, D1 1050, - 875 cca, D2 doesn't say.
P2 is junk, just bought another battery identical to P1 and a smart charger, it even tells you if battery is faulty , it's capacity ,and will desulfate.
I'm using a motor I wound, it charges the buffer the fastest.
Then I rotate buffer out primary in and so on. The only load is a bi-filar coil which runs off my collector brushes which feeds back to junction between dead batteries.
I'm hoping once the new battery is charged to be able to keep everything charged while running motor for free.
sorry I can't be more help.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt, My set-up is constantly changing, currently using your schematic, but am using a bank of 7 Maxwell caps , 2500 F, 2.5 volts in series for the buffer.
P1 says 1000 marine crank, P2 650 cca, D1 1050, - 875 cca, D2 doesn't say.
P2 is junk, just bought another battery identical to P1 and a smart charger, it even tells you if battery is faulty , it's capacity ,and will desulfate.
I'm using a motor I wound, it charges the buffer the fastest.
Then I rotate buffer out primary in and so on. The only load is a bi-filar coil which runs off my collector brushes which feeds back to junction between dead batteries.
I'm hoping once the new battery is charged to be able to keep everything charged while running motor for free.
sorry I can't be more help.
artv

No don't apologize thats great reporting. We need more of that. I'll look into those caps and I may contact you for more info via PM.

Thanks again
Matt

[shylo]

your welcome

Hey Matt , the caps are 2600 F, my mistake.
The link for the caps where I got them is on page 1 at Lasersaber.com ,"12v boost pack"
Still waiting for charge to complete on new battery.
Another question, is it crucial to wait for batteries to be completely charged? , am getting impatient.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Ya I would let them charge up and rest for a while after. But don't get down on yourself if you first run losses a bit. Most batteries have certain amount of skin charge that dissipates quickly. Before I run my batts I burn that off with a bulb or something. Then let them recover and rest a bit.

So far thats served me pretty well.

I know the link, Thanks again.

Matt

[shylo]

Latest set-up

Hi All, still early in testing ,but by rotating the batteries , the motor seems to run for free.
I'm just using 3 good batteries, no dead ones, just hook it up as per the Original schematic ,except put a good battery in place of the dead bat.
Then rotate when the primaries drop 2 tenths of a volt.
Going to try to build a switch , so I don't have to change connections manually. I've got a few ideas', but am sure it could be done electronically.
It just has to advance 2 positions with each pulse, but how fast or slow needs to be determined.
After ~ 10 hours of my motor running ,the batteries are actually a couple hundredths of voltage higher, no loads just the motor.
artv