3 Battery Generating System

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Strange battery behavior pt2 - YouTube
Strange battery behavior pt

Fake. You are playing your video in reverse. Why doing that?

I'm not a fool I can see these tricks. Good try.

[gnino]

I put another bulb in parallel forcing the battery to pull out more power both bulb go down and after a While go bright butta the effect is vanished

[citfta]

Not a fake!

Why do you think this is fake? Many of us that have been working with the 3BGS have seen the same effect from the "dead battery". The battery will show some voltage and then as soon as you apply a load the voltage is gone and then slowly comes back up and powers the load. If you continue to let it run the voltage will slowly go back down until the battery is exhausted. There is some kind of chemical or electrical processes going on in the "dead" battery that we don't yet understand. Or at least no one has come forward and claimed to understand it. Not all dead batteries will do what is shown in the video. What you are seeing is an indication he may have a good candidate for the right "dead" battery.

Fake. You are playing your video in reverse. Why doing that?

I'm not a fool I can see these tricks. Good try.

Respectfully, Carroll

[gnino]

Strange battery behavior pt2 - YouTube
Strange battery behavior pt

I put another bulb in parallel forcing the battery to pull out more power both bulb go down and after a While go bright butta the effect is vanished

After 5 hour resting the effect us coming back
Crystaldipole what reason i have to make a fake?
I didn't make any claim of overunity

[gnino]

I'm uploading pt 3 and pt 4,pt 4 show the effect vanished if the battery rest for a few hours the effect come back again.

[gnino]

Pt 3
YouTube
Pt 4
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[LutherG]

NOT a fake

Pt 3
YouTube
Pt 4
YouTube

No worries Gnino, we KNOW its NOT a fake. We've all experienced this. With me, my motor jumped up suddenly in RPM. Its on my video too...

Best regards,

Luther

[gnino]

pt 5
strange battery behavior pt 5 - YouTube

[shylo]

Surge

Hi folks ,with certain batteries you do get a flow of extra power or surge ,then a drop ,then a surge.
The one thing I am finding is , when it climbs ,it reaches a value, when it drops , it reaches a value. The next time it climbs ,it doesn't climb as high as the first surge or value , and when it drops ,it drops to a lower value.

I'm trying to switch out at the end of the surge.
Gotta keep trying, this with lots of other things.
artv

[Bob Smith]

A while back, Matt was inviting consideration of whether or how the chemistry of sulfated batteries might be facilitating the effects seen in this setup. While frequency and their related factors seem to be the direction the "why" and "how" investigation has taken, I thought I'd post for your consideration this link to Lamare's post about the "catalytic layer" in Bob Boyce's setup:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post238947

Could it be that something like a catalytic layer on battery/capacitor plates might also have something to do with this phenomenon?
Respectfully,
Bob

[Skeptic]

Hi Everyone,

Over time I have realized that there is real observation here that something unusual is happening with the 3BGS. I have no doubt of this. The most remarkable or unusual effects (there are many) I see observed are: 1. More energy observed in the system that initially was there at the start. 2. More work done that can be explained by the energy that initially was there at the start. There would have to be some rock solid way of accurately measuring these manifestations. It seems very unlikely these effects could exist in our universe with there being some way to measure them in a way that leaves little doubt. People have already expressed that they have no need to prove anything to anyone. I strongly disagree. The real need is to prove it to yourselves beyond any critic's reasonable doubt. This proof of concept seems to be what is missing from this entire project. Traditional research demands this proof before too much time and money is spent investigating anything. It seems that the more time one invests, the less likely solid proof is required by the participants. Why? Well, look at all the time and effort everyone has invested. Why chance proving that the effects aren't what they seem to be?

Please do not make this personal. I am challenging any and all to measure and show increased stored energy over the beginning charge state. I am challenging any and all to measure work done with original charge state compared to work done during the cycle plus exhausting all batteries.

Either one will show that energy is being added to the system during the cycle.

Here would be one example of work measured (although maybe not so practical). An electric pump, fills a very large tank with water. When the batteries quit, the amount of water is measured. Now compare how much can be pumped with the 2 fully charged good batteries plus the "Dead" battery. Then measure again during 3BGS plus using the remaining charge after the cycle.

Please remember that I really want all of you to succeed.

[Bob Smith]

Catalytic Layer as Negative Resistance

If a catalytic layer is actually a part of the success of this system, I am led to two conclusions:

- that the catalytic layer over the capacitor/battery plates may be providing conditions for negative resistance;
- the negative resistance of such plates is only going to come into play when acted upon by the proper electrical stimuli
(frequency, duty cycle, voltage/current etc.) Matt has posted about these stimuli.

As a related aside (not to derail discussion):
If this is in fact a case of catalytic layer and negative resistance (under the proper electrical conditions) it may indicate that the 3BGS phenomenon has elements in common with other setups - not only the Stan Meyer WFC, but perhaps the Stubblefield earth batteries with their iron windings coated in ferrous oxide (catalytic layer). It may also point to helping researchers better understand the work of Gabriel Kron, one of the first to talk about negative resistance: Welcome to John Bedini
Perhaps a better understanding of what's going on in the 3BGS can provide a window into understanding other arrays which exhibit similar electrical characteristics.

[Turion]

Skeptic,
That's on me for not completing the test I promised you I would do. But I am working on it. In fact, I attempted to begin the test today, but had some problems with my meter and could not get it to reset. I have three brand new batteries that have never been used before. I will connect them one at a time to a small 12 volt motor through a meter that measures voltage flow, amps, Amp hours of power, watts used, and time. It also measures a couple other things that aren't that important, but you will be able to see it in the video. By measuring three full batteries connected to a load in parallel, I should get a pretty good idea of what those three batteries will produce. I will run them until the motor no longer turns. Then I will charge them back up, let them rest, and replace one of them with a "bad" discharged battery and run the exact same test, this time with the 3BGS circuit. I have a second meter ordered but it will not be here until Friday. I hope to figure out how to reset this one sometime today and can begin the test. If not, I will get it done this weekend.

The meter I am using is much like the Killowat meter, but it is for DC, not AC

Dave

[a.king21]

Skeptic,
That's on me for not completing the test I promised you I would do. But I am working on it. In fact, I attempted to begin the test today, but had some problems with my meter and could not get it to reset. I have three brand new batteries that have never been used before. I will connect them one at a time to a small 12 volt motor through a meter that measures voltage flow, amps, Amp hours of power, watts used, and time. It also measures a couple other things that aren't that important, but you will be able to see it in the video. By measuring three full batteries connected to a load in parallel, I should get a pretty good idea of what those three batteries will produce. I will run them until the motor no longer turns. Then I will charge them back up, let them rest, and replace one of them with a "bad" discharged battery and run the exact same test, this time with the 3BGS circuit. I have a second meter ordered but it will not be here until Friday. I hope to figure out how to reset this one sometime today and can begin the test. If not, I will get it done this weekend.

The meter I am using is much like the Killowat meter, but it is for DC, not AC

Dave

Good luck with your test.

RE water capacitors as per Stanley Meyer.
I have had many discussions with Dave Lawton who is the first person as far as I know to replicate Stanley Meyer, and is featured in Patrick Kelly's free e-book. Dave informs me that the water capacitor forms a nano layer on one side of the metal. It took him one month of conditioning before the device finally sprung to life. Further enhancements have identified that the ion production is so great that clogging occurs at the plates. Experimenters have discovered that placing magnets of the correct polarity in the water (ie electrolyte?) encourages the ions to leave the plates and further increases production without a higher input power. Maybe the placement of a flat pancake coil under the battery is an example of this magnetic effect. If so, placement of magnets of the correct polarity may enhance the process.
A further point: conditioning suffers from the old maxim, "Use it or lose it". Once conditioned, a capacitor will gradually lose the effect unless it is in continuous use. Hope this info is relevant here.

[Matthew Jones]

I have to apologize I have been real busy getting my fall crop in the ground (My largest planting yet) and putting up a green house. Lots of work and I have only very little time to test at the moment.

The testing is a good idea, I'll get back to some of the details for it.

As far as the Catalytic layer I would not discourage anyone from trying but seeing that I have seen results from batteries right out of the box brand new, and also seen results now from using all NEW batteries (No dead batteries) I am not sure that would be the answer I would first choose.

Remember DC is a loop. We are maintaining a separation of the dipole and partially interrupting the loop that would usually be the normal for DC loads. I would have to encourage everyone to isolate section of the circuit with diodes and start looking real hard at the scope to see whats happening.
Remember since we are charging one side of the battery from the another set the current on the opposite side of that battery is traveling back to source. For it to make a difference at the source it would have to have a stronger current and higher positive or negative potential.
So where might enough energy come in to recover our losses or even gain.

If you repeatably use large impulses of power to charge a battery, IE cap dumps, the environment will attack those pulses while they travel on a wire with opposite charges, IE Opposites attract.... A positive charge will flow through the wire deposit on the plate. The negative charge that tried to attack it flow into the battery and (NOW THINK HARD) goes serial with the charge battery or dead battery. Or if the route is not available to go back the charge seats on the negative side of the plate.

So now in our case we get near the same effect but our flow doesn't stop, it modulates. The same environmental charges attack and follow our charges into the battery in more of a pulse formation and they get serialized with the opposite side of the charging battery. This power is then returned to the source battery. Negating our losses. Batteries do not need conditioning to separate charges. Thats there job, chemical separation of charges.

DC is a loop, inject extra energy in at the right time and you will find it somewhere in the system.

Thats the road I am going anyway. And I have pretty much been saying the same thing the whole time and still everyone is looking for more complication than I can offer.

I'll post on the testing next, because to really prove anything you are going to need more than just a meter. And your baselines are going to be different than you would expect. Lots more math.

Matt