3 Battery Generating System

[altrez]

If you do not know how to use a diode bypass circuit you have never built a monopole energizer. Diode Bypass for inductive loads. Learn!!!

Matt

Matt,

Thank you for the input, I will continue to study.



-Altrez

[Matthew Jones]

Hello Turion,

I have had some success pulsing a stock motor. I have not been able to capture the collapsing charge into the source battery really. Is there a trick to it?

Thanks!

-Altrez

If you do not know how to use a diode bypass circuit you have never built a monopole energizer. Diode Bypass for inductive loads. Learn!!!

Matt

[Iamnuts]

Goal.

This is where you need to aim!

This generator will put out between 1600-1800 watts. My bigger machine will put out between 1800-2000 watts. Input to this machine, run by an MY1020 rewound razor scooter motor is less than 300 watts. Of that 300 watts, the 3 Battery circuit that no one believes works can recover about 70%.

John.

[altrez]

There is more than one way to build a pulse motor. You could use a 555 timer to pulse a stock motor. You will need to drive a second motor as a generator or have SOME kind of generator attached so you have usable power. Otherwise you really are just turning a motor that is doing nothing.

Hello Turion,

I have had some success pulsing a stock motor. I have not been able to capture the collapsing charge into the source battery really. Is there a trick to it?

Thanks!

-Altrez

[Turion]

Pulse motor

There is more than one way to build a pulse motor. You could use a 555 timer to pulse a stock motor. You will need to drive a second motor as a generator or have SOME kind of generator attached so you have usable power. Otherwise you really are just turning a motor that is doing nothing.

[altrez]

Here's a schematic of the two ways to hook up the 3 battery setup, with and without the boost module.

The single battery setup also requires a boost module, but we are no longer really talking about that setup. the boost module, without everything else being PERFECT begins the process with too much loss at the very beginning to overcome and give you what you want. You would be far better off working with the 3 battery system using a PULSE motor to run a generator and return SOME of that generator output back to the system.

In the attached drawing if you want to run it without the boost module, eliminate everything in green, and attach the two red lines designated by the arrows to each other.

Thank you so much for posting this. I am going to do a few more basic tests then start on my pulse motor.



-Altrez

[Turion]

Schematics

Here's a schematic of the two ways to hook up the 3 battery setup, with and without the boost module.

The single battery setup also requires a boost module, but we are no longer really talking about that setup. the boost module, without everything else being PERFECT begins the process with too much loss at the very beginning to overcome and give you what you want. You would be far better off working with the 3 battery system using a PULSE motor to run a generator and return SOME of that generator output back to the system.

In the attached drawing if you want to run it without the boost module, eliminate everything in green, and attach the two red lines designated by the arrows to each other.


EDIT: In the 3 battery system you are running the boost module BETWEEN THE POSITIVES so not as much loss as the single battery circuit where it is run DIRECTLY OFF THE ONLY BATTERY/

[altrez]

Do you want them with or without the boost converter.

Hello Turion,

Hope you are doing well! I would like them both please.



-Altrez

[Turion]

Circuits

Do you want them with or without the boost converter.

[altrez]

To All,

Would anyone happen to have the most current copy of the 3 battery and 1 battery schematic?

Thanks!

-Altrez

[altrez]

Hi Altrez,
What circuit did you use for this test?
What was the load?
Did you use boost converter(s) in the circuit?

Thanks,
Alex

Hello Alex,

I did not use a circuit with this test and for the load I used a DC load tester and no boost converters this time.

The goal was to test just the 3 battery's this run with nothing added. It went good the next test is coming up with the boost converters.



-Altrez

[hherby]

Circuit?

The test has ended. The voltage on the split hit 10.5 volts around the 9 hour mark. I am still going over the logs but what I can tell so far is this. The battery in the 3rd position continued charging and gaining voltage

-Altrez

Hi Altrez,
What circuit did you use for this test?
What was the load?
Did you use boost converter(s) in the circuit?

Thanks,
Alex

[altrez]

Hello,

I have been going over all the data I collected with my tests. I find a few things interesting.

First here is the before and after tests on the Split the Positive:

Before


After


Next here is the tests on the battery in the 3rd position, the charging battery:

Before


After


The charging battery defiantly got a charge. And the Split+ shows dead as I would expect.

Now I also tested each battery in the series to see the energy drain on them:

Here is battery 2:

Before


After


Here is battery 3:

Before


After


The series battery's did discharge as I would expect right now it seems like I am just shuffling energy around the system. With that being said I still need to factor in the load that ran the whole time.

-Altrez

[altrez]

Here is a screenshot of the Fluke data logger for the series battery's:



And here is a screenshot of my USB logger on the charging battery in position 3:



I still have to graph the data from the mooshimeter as well.

-Altrez

[altrez]

Good Morning Everyone,

The test has ended. The voltage on the split hit 10.5 volts around the 9 hour mark. I am still going over the logs but what I can tell so far is this. The battery in the 3rd position continued charging and gaining voltage until the shut off.

The battery Analyzer was pretty much spot on about the health of the split positive test if you go back and look it shows around a 44% capacity in my test. And that just about how long it took to hit 10.5 volts on the cut off.

This is what I have learned from this test.

1. There is a high resistance on the split caused by the discharged battery 3.
2. The battery in the 3rd position keeps charging and gaining voltage even when the split has hit below 11 volts.
3. The series battery's lost more voltage then the voltage gain on the charging battery but not by much.

After around 12 hours I am going to retest the battery's and see what they are at after rest.



-Altrez