3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

Oh, I wouldn't have really given up. I would have simply gone on to other projects and this would never have been a priority, just something I drug out once in a while when I had some extra time, so this thread would never have happened, and we wouldn't be as close as we are NOW to solving this puzzle.

Gotta love it. The world works in mysterious ways.

Dave

[JFP]

Why do you ask?

Only because you intimated that he might burn his house down, and I couldn't see anything that looked like a fire hazard in the video - just wondered if I'd missed something exciting ;-)

[erfinder]

Only because you intimated that he might burn his house down, and I couldn't see anything that looked like a fire hazard in the video - just wondered if I'd missed something exciting ;-)

ah...ok....

[JFP]

No you misunderstand like the rest of the supposedly educated people who come here and try to discredit everything they don't understand.

The question, Have you built the 3bgs circuit as outlined in the beginning of the thread?

And few more question. Does your education allow you to even understand the flow of energy in this circuit and the potentials that show up when the dipoles are not used up? Do you have the means to measure the input of environmental energy into this system?
How much experience do actually have with systems that are entirely routed through the difference of potential without grounding the circuit? Thats not a battery charger....
And since you must have years experience with these circuits and your education of course taught you all forms of electrical engineering even to cover what we look at can you provide us with the name of text book that would acknowledge the electrical interaction between a potential in a circuit and potentials in the environment are capturable energy?

Can you provide one academically known reproducible example of a system that is greater than unity and purely electrical?

Surely with all your credentials this should just another small task of memory and typing.

Thanks
Matt

ADDED THIS::
This is the reason to pick a fight. Someone who might be able to tell a person with none to little experience the correct way to do something instead chooses to be derogative and attempts to be superior in intellect.





And the real flaw in all that is not that he is experienced or wrong is that instead teaching or ignoring he has to make himself feel superior by demeaning people he doesn't know.

This is the classic behavior of the conventional engineering cult..... When it doubt destroy.

Matthew - notwithstanding your comprehensive reply - which I will respond to later on when I have a bit more time - can I just say that you're getting way ahead of yourself, here.

My original comment was related to the OP's calculation (by Ohm's Law) of the figure of 64mW... whilst the figure calculated was correct, it was the OP's assertion that this meant that 64mW was being returned to the battery, and by extension that if he modified his circuit to increase the current flowing that 10.8W would be returned to the battery, that was wrong.
This was what I said was wrong - and added that although there was a current being delivered into the battery, the energy returned would be less than that originally extracted form the battery. I never commented specifically on the viability or otherwise of the 3BGS system.

Oh, and thank you for highlighting my typing error - In mitigation, I can only say that I am a better engineer than typist.

[Matthew Jones]

This was what I said was wrong - and added that although there was a current being delivered into the battery, the energy returned would be less than that originally extracted form the battery. I never commented specifically on the viability or otherwise of the 3BGS system.

Besides the derogative statement you made as new comer, the above quote is whats wrong. Had you built the circuit and everything worked out for you would soon realize he taking NOTHING from the primaries. That the way the thing works. Although current flows out the battery is not diminished. So with only an education in the conventional, you really have lost the opportunity to make statement like you did. Your credentials mean nothing.

Thats miss conception a lot engineers come here with. Unless you have worked with Heat pumps you more than likely have never seen a device that performs over 100% efficient. So you have no concept of the possibilities yet invoke this mundane and tired set of rules on an individual you do not know and you have no clue what your talking about.

Clear your pretaught misconceptions about whats happening, open your mind, build the thing cause its simple, then make the comments. Otherwise you'll encounter hostile behavior towards the dogma you preach.

Cheers
Matt

[wrtner]

Besides the derogative statement you made as new comer, the above quote is whats wrong. Had you built the circuit and everything worked out for you would soon realize he taking NOTHING from the primaries. That the way the thing works. Although current flows out the battery is not diminished. So with only an education in the conventional, you really have lost the opportunity to make statement like you did. Your credentials mean nothing.

Thats miss conception a lot engineers come here with. Unless you have worked with Heat pumps you more than likely have never seen a device that performs over 100% efficient. So you have no concept of the possibilities yet invoke this mundane and tired set of rules on an individual you do not know and you have no clue what your talking about.

Clear your pretaught misconceptions about whats happening, open your mind, build the thing cause its simple, then make the comments. Otherwise you'll encounter hostile behavior towards the dogma you preach.

Cheers
Matt

I sometimes wonder if we should have a little test before people can post. Questions might include: Explain the nature of radiant energy and the difference between regular and cold electricity.

[Turion]

Everyone for Themselves?

Is no one going to try this setup with the aluminum plate and report back besides Luther and I? If only a couple of us are trying this stuff, why should we post our results for YOU to read?

[Wistiti]

@ turion
Take it easy my freind, we may just not have your spare time and material under hand... One thing are sure "its a must to try" all the parts are cheap and easy available so i think many people like me how work in silence realy apreciate what you share and i also think do not reply cause just dont want to be involve and waste is time in a now where to go discution with the sceptic...
I just want to say thank you for the passion you share with us and dont worry if we find something we will share with you; just like the body how share the aluminum plate tricks!
Keep up your great work with the fate there is many beside you!

[shylo]

the container

Hi Dave, you said submerge the plate, What is the container made of?
You may have already said, no time to catch up.
JFP, you shouldn't slam the door , when you come in the room.

" Where's the AC in the 3 battery arrangement?"

Is DC pulsating equivalent? Not alternating but pulsating?

"After a heater."

The cheaper the better.
You have to build it to see it.
artv

[Turion]

The plate setup

The container I have my water in is just a plastic container I had lying around…an old plastic storage box with a removable lid. I have about two inches of water in it and the plate is connected by a wire with an alligator clip on each end.

[Turion]

;-)

Things to do. Places to go. People to see. Good luck all

[shylo]

post

Hi Dave ,Where did your post go ,about charging the plate ,and running load off the submerged plate?
Am I losing my mind?
It was there the other day ,now it's gone.
Can I make the plate layered , since the wife uses lots of foil pans for cooking.

Also as for using just a single battery, I just keep using that charged battery for testes, when it gets low , the 3bgs brings it right back to life.
Not really what we want but, if it's there may as well use it.
Never say die.
artv

[Turion]

Missing post

Yes, I took that post down. Now you're one of the few who will have that bit of info. Hope it helps. I have all kinds of things I need to test out before I am going to post anything more here. I have no desire to lead anyone down the wrong path as I have seen people do in other threads, where interested parties have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars for something that isn't working.

I have always felt that the 3BGS was for the average guy, because it is simple to build and relatively inexpensive. I thought there would be thousands of folks trying it. I was wrong. It seems destined to slip to the back pages of this forum like a page 3 story in the newspaper.

But that's ok, because when those of who continue to work finally figure this out, we'll have our reward. It may not be flashy, but this sucker can put out the power. I have seen it. And once you have seen it, nobody can convince you otherwise.

Your guess is as good as mine about the aluminum plate. There are so many different variations of that idea that I decided to pull the comment so I don't send folks all down dead end tracks. If I run into a dead end, I really don't mind.
Dave

[Sawt2]

Yes, I took that post down. Now you're one of the few who will have that bit of info. Hope it helps. I have all kinds of things I need to test out before I am going to post anything more here. I have no desire to lead anyone down the wrong path as I have seen people do in other threads, where interested parties have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars for something that isn't working.

I have always felt that the 3BGS was for the average guy, because it is simple to build and relatively inexpensive. I thought there would be thousands of folks trying it. I was wrong. It seems destined to slip to the back pages of this forum like a page 3 story in the newspaper.

But that's ok, because when those of who continue to work finally figure this out, we'll have our reward. It may not be flashy, but this sucker can put out the power. I have seen it. And once you have seen it, nobody can convince you otherwise.

Your guess is as good as mine about the aluminum plate. There are so many different variations of that idea that I decided to pull the comment so I don't send folks all down dead end tracks. If I run into a dead end, I really don't mind.
Dave

Dave
Just wanted to share some results. I don't do a lot of posting (I don't even do a little posting) but I didn't want you to be discouraged and think that no one is paying attention. I don't get a lot of extra time so I spend it in the shop not on the computer. But in reading your post I realize that maybe it is important to post results or at least present an update from time to time.. So here goes!!!!

All
I started experimenting with the 3 BGS several months back with some various motors, some 12V some 24V ( all wheelchair related motors) saw some very encouraging things happening. Like batteries not depleting there charge when they most certainly should. I've tried the basic setup, motor running between the positives, small lights hooked to batt #3 causing the motor to speed up etc. If you have tried it you know what I mean. The very first time I tried it I checked the voltage of each battery added them up and ran the test, did just as others have seen, batt 3 Voltage started to drop slowly going to 17.1 then the motor kicked on and ran till the voltage climbed back up to around 24.6 at which time the motor would stop and the voltage would fall again to 17-18 volts and start over again. I found this so fascinating I let it do it for about 2 ˝ hrs at which time I stopped it and watched to see what the batteries would do. I had to leave the shop for a little while and when I came back I was very curious to see if the batteries would recover and to what degree.. well when I checked the voltages I once again tested each one added them together for a total voltage. When I compared to the starting voltage I saw that I had a net gain of .57 volts across all 3 batteries. I thought I checked them wrong so I checked each one again (in fact I checked them several times) just to be sure. Sure enough there was a net gain.
I have run this test several times since using the same batteries and motor, haven't seen a gain since but the primary batteries recover to the original voltage almost every time, sometimes may miss it by .1 volts or less. In all my tests I have yet to charge the primaries on a charger. These batteries are only 2.9 amp hour batteries..The kind they use in emergency lighting fixtures.
The batteries stay in my shop and its been kind of too cold to be out testing till today, so, I had an idea.... let's test this with the Bedini energizer. I just have a very simple single bifilar coil energizer.
I use it to rejuvenate some of these small batts and have even used it on some big ones.

Start voltages
Primary 1 12.68V
Primary 2 12.68V
Battery 3 11.78V
Charge battery 12.61V

So today I hooked the energizer between the pos. started the energizer and it ran up to about 240 rpm and the charge battery ran up to 13.8V within 10 minutes then leveled off and climbed slowly to 13.9 when I got the idea to see what would happen if I put a load on batt 3. I took an automotive taillight and hooked it up to batt 3 (keep in mind these are only 2.9 amp hr batts and a taillight bulb pulls just short of 1 amp)..... Well, the speed of the energizer moves up to 334 in about 2 minutes the charge batt goes up to 16.27 and batt 3 voltage drops to 5.68 All in about 7 minutes. I let it run about 10 more minutes then disconnect to check recovery.

Voltages on the primaries during the test dropped to about 12.08V, after test, 5 minute rest 12.15V and after 1 hr 12.54V Battery 3 went to 5.68 during test after 5 min rest 10.64V after 1 hr 12.09V.
I want to continue testing this system, Maybe get some bigger batts. I actually put the energizer on them again to see if it would charge the battery overnight. Well this got pretty long I will stop for now.
Keep going Dave I find this very encouraging.
Brian

[Turion]

Results

Sawt2,
Sounds like you are able to see many of the positive aspects of this setup that many of us have seen. There will be those who say you are seeing a "fluff" charge on your batteries and your voltage readings are therefore incorrect. But obviously you have done a few runs with this setup so you know the difference. And seeing is believing.

We need lots more folks like you trying this setup and not giving up. That's the way we'll come up with the answer. Good luck my friend, and thanks for sharing your results.

Dave