3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

shylo,
I check this thread every single day to see if anybody is still working on the 3BGS or like concepts. Sounds like you're having some fun. I've got two different setups running, experimenting with variations on the third battery.

Also, as you mentioned, working on Steele's generator as well as the motor/generator project Matt Jones and I have been working on for over a year. That one is now up and running, but I need to do some ing test runs to have the data to make some decisions.

No time!!! LOL. And no money either. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, as my Grandma used to say.

Dave

[Sawt2]

All
We got a little break from the cold here in the northeast, so I wanted to check in on the 3 bgs my primaries were sitting @ 12.69 & 12.84 batt 3 was @ 3.42. Hooked it up to run the energizer off the positives and a taillight bulb off batt 3 via pwm motor controller. So! What I did was ran the energizer up to operating rpm and then adjust the pwm to run the bulb.
Upon initial hookup batt 3 went up to 20.8 volts and climbing, I slowing turned the pwm on while watching bat 3. I tuned it till bat 3 sat @ 14.3, primaries were @ 12.37.(I almost forgot to mention the charge batt on the energizer, it started at 10.98, during the time running the setup the charge bat ran up to 11.10) I let it run like this for about a half hour, once during this time the primaries flickered to 12.38 but for the most part they just stayed @ 12.37 for the whole run. ( keep in mind these batts are 2.9 amp hour, my energizer pulls 140-160ma and the bulb pulls .9 amp at full power, I had it dialed down some.)after the half hour the the primaries recovered to 12.56 within five minutes, batt 3 was at 8.64 and the chg batt went to 11.03. Not sure where the voltages will recover to.

[Turion]

Sawt2,

Thanks for the update. Where did your primaries end up after your run (after a rest)?

Dave

[Sawt2]

Sawt2,

Thanks for the update. Where did your primaries end up after your run (after a rest)?

Dave

Dave
I made quick trip to the shop to verify voltage, it has been 5 days of lows in the 20s high in the 40s. Primaries are sitting at 12.81 and 12.67. Batt 3 is at 5.96
I am encouraged by this, I am currently working on a switch that will rotate the batteries. In my book these batteries have done well. I am going to do some tests in the coming months, comparing work done by the batteries straight out and then work done by batteries via the 3 BGS and then adding my position switching device. I will continue to share results as time permits.

[Sawt2]

Sawt2,

Thanks for the update. Where did your primaries end up after your run (after a rest)?

Dave

It has been a week since my prev. Test, so I "braved" the cold for another test.
The temps have been lows in the 20s, highs in the 40s, most of the week.
I was pleased to find my batteries doing well. Primary 1 was at 12.81, primary 2 was 12.70 ( all but completely back to original voltage) batt 3 was at 5.48.
My setup was this: 3BGS (splitting the pos.) going to a cap with a diode in both pos before cap, then the energizer run from the cap, chg batt on the energizer was 10.08 V. Then I had a 24 volt motor running off batt 3 via the PWM.
I had meters on all batts. And one on the cap. I turned it on dialed up the pwm so the energizer would run, let it come up to speed, tuned the pwm so that batt 3 sat at 13.4 to 13.8'. Primaries sat at 12.31 and 12.33. Here's the cool part the charge batt went from 10.08 to 11.79 in about 1 hour 10 min. And the primaries never budged. (Next wknd I am going to try to run the test on sat and leave it run for a while, maybe let it go overnight.) I wonder if I may be very close to having the system balanced in such a way to preserve the primary voltages? I am excited to see what the voltages recover to tomorrow. One thing to remember, actually two things, these are 2.9 amp hr batts, the energizer pulls 145-160 ma plus I am running the 24 volt motor off batt 3. And it seems that batt 3 may be coming around??? I think I did mention about building a batt. Position changing switch. I wonder about things like " can I change the batteries positions around at a speed necessary to trick the system into not depleting the batteries at all, while still running the energizer to charge batteries" (the tesla switch)I almost forgot to mention the cap voltage would fluctuate between 8.40 and 13.65, no clue on that one folks!!! But it does do better with the cap then without it. Oh well that's it for now, hope I didn't bore you too much.

[Turion]

Bored??

Other folks might think this stuff is boring, but not me. The more people that try this, the more bits of information we gather. Some day all those bits will add up to a solution we all can use.

Can you draw the schematic out and post it here? i think I have it, but want to make sure.

One of the things Luther and I have talked about is the success we have seen using bigger motors with large loads.It's almost as if the bigger motor is a much more effective generator and because of this we see longer run times. Sometimes I wonder if the reason we haven't gotten what we want is because none of us have used a big enough motor with big enough loads on it. I think Luther is going to be testing that hypothesis soon, and will probably post some results here.

Dave

[Cornboy 555]

Other folks might think this stuff is boring, but not me. The more people that try this, the more bits of information we gather. Some day all those bits will add up to a solution we all can use.

Can you draw the schematic out and post it here? i think I have it, but want to make sure.

One of the things Luther and I have talked about is the success we have seen using bigger motors with large loads.It's almost as if the bigger motor is a much more effective generator and because of this we see longer run times. Sometimes I wonder if the reason we haven't gotten what we want is because none of us have used a big enough motor with big enough loads on it. I think Luther is going to be testing that hypothesis soon, and will probably post some results here.

Dave

Hey Dave, this stuff is never boring to me, you should order a UFO imperial kit, it is the best value ever, if you want to try a larger motor.

You can wind it anyway you choose.

Regards Cornboy.

[Turion]

Cornboy,
I have kinda lost track of what is going on with UFO's thread at this point. Have their been some replications that indicate you guys are getting more out than in from that rewind process? To be honest, I had some of my BEST results using my rewound UFO motor with the 3BGS setup. My only problem was my build job was so crappy it would not hold together long enough for me to really test it the way it needed to be tested, and I have rewinding another one on my long list of things to do. The motor wouldn't quite fit in the case right when I added another set of brushes and commutator to the other end of it, so it had serious issues. But when it was running I saw charging of both primaries while running a load off the third battery. Enough to encourage me. What is the price of the kit now, and where can I order it? The link to "Primary Voltage Increasing" below is using a UFO wound motor.

Dave

[Sawt2]

It has been a week since my prev. Test, so I "braved" the cold for another test.
The temps have been lows in the 20s, highs in the 40s, most of the week.
I was pleased to find my batteries doing well. Primary 1 was at 12.81, primary 2 was 12.70 ( all but completely back to original voltage) batt 3 was at 5.48.
My setup was this: 3BGS (splitting the pos.) going to a cap with a diode in both pos before cap, then the energizer run from the cap, chg batt on the energizer was 10.08 V. Then I had a 24 volt motor running off batt 3 via the PWM.
I had meters on all batts. And one on the cap. I turned it on dialed up the pwm so the energizer would run, let it come up to speed, tuned the pwm so that batt 3 sat at 13.4 to 13.8'. Primaries sat at 12.31 and 12.33. Here's the cool part the charge batt went from 10.08 to 11.79 in about 1 hour 10 min. And the primaries never budged. (Next wknd I am going to try to run the test on sat and leave it run for a while, maybe let it go overnight.) I wonder if I may be very close to having the system balanced in such a way to preserve the primary voltages? I am excited to see what the voltages recover to tomorrow. One thing to remember, actually two things, these are 2.9 amp hr batts, the energizer pulls 145-160 ma plus I am running the 24 volt motor off batt 3. And it seems that batt 3 may be coming around??? I think I did mention about building a batt. Position changing switch. I wonder about things like " can I change the batteries positions around at a speed necessary to trick the system into not depleting the batteries at all, while still running the energizer to charge batteries" (the tesla switch)I almost forgot to mention the cap voltage would fluctuate between 8.40 and 13.65, no clue on that one folks!!! But it does do better with the cap then without it. Oh well that's it for now, hope I didn't bore you too much.

Dave
I appreciate your interest, I don't find this boring either, I would like to see more folks reporting results. By the way I will make the time soon to draw out the schematics for you. It's nothing special just what I learned here on this thread plus a cap, 2 diodes to see if there is anything coming back from the energizer to the batts. ( I don't think I will leave them in permanently) and I have a pwm on the second motor for an attempt to balance the system.

All
I went out tonight to see what the batts recovered to. Primaries were at 12.72 & 12.65 Batt 3 is at 6.48. Chg batt is at 10.69. Although my primaries did not come back to original voltage the loss was minimal (in my opinion) however the gains in the chg batt and batt 3 more than made up for the losses in the primaries. Well I am planning another test on sat if all goes as planned.

[liber63]

Qeg

Hi Dave! Hi, everybody else
Sorry I write something that is not to do with 3GBS, but i got very excited.
I think we have pretty good news!
You might already know that.
QEG -- Fix the World Organization Interview by PESN

QEG -- Fix the World Organization Interview by PESN; April 3, 2014 - YouTube

I am so excited that it came out openly. Of course it seems a bit expensive to built but if it stays, it will be much more cheaper in one year or two. If they don’t succeed to kill the whole thing somehow.

I am still doing experiments with 3gbs though! I will never stop these. I have inserted a flywheel in the system. I will get back if i have good news about it.
I also think, as Dave said, that Big Motors with the right loads will be better for 3GBS. But no money for new experiments now!

[Turion]

Greetings all!!!!

Just thought I would post this for you all.
Bedini's SG, Gen Mode, Splitting The Positive - YouTube

Does this look a little familiar??

[blackchisel97]

Just thought I would post this for you all.
Bedini's SG, Gen Mode, Splitting The Positive - YouTube

Does this look a little familiar??

It sure does!

Thanks

[jettis]

Hi guys to be clear... Read this link, you will see my claims in the video and or thread title did not really pan out after 12 hours. I failed to fully research this concept out any further, but I hope to get back to it some time in the future as the concept is quite interesting and could be further enhanced efficiency wise, in many ways.

Dave Wing

Here is the link:

<<<Overunity While Powering 2 Loads>>>

[jettis]

Here again is a different drawing of what has been done in the first video posted here.

Dave Wing

[Turion]

Just a little setup here for the video I am going to link to. This is just the basic 3BGS setup which uses 3 batteries (Batteries one and two are good and battery 3 is bad) and a DC motor. This time I used three DC motors.

Negative of battery 1 connected to Positive of battery 2
Negative of battery 2 connected to Negative of battery 3.
Positive of battery 3 connected to one side of brushed DC motor
The other side of the motor goes back to the Positive of battery 1.

Connect it up and measure the RPM of the motor. Connect a volt meter to the negative of battery 3 and then touch the positive lead to each side of the motor. You will notice that the voltage is different from one side of the motor to the other. For quite a while it has been our OPINION that the setup allows the GENERATED voltage from the motor to come out the wires because the motor is attached between two positives.


Run the same setup with the three motors wired in series. The free wire on the last motor is connected back to the Positive of battery one.

In the video, notice the RPM of the second motor is higher than the first and the RPM of the 3rd is higher than the second. You can't measure amp draw with a motor running between positives, so what I did was charge my batteries, then run with a single motor until I ran my batteries down and then recharged them and ran with 3 motors. I got a longer run time with three motors.

I would invite some of you to try this. My intention is to continue to add motors, attaching a generator shaft to the last motor to see if I can get enough output to do something interesting with. My questions are these: How many motors can we run in series here without additional draw down on the primaries? How much will the RPMs of the motors increase as we add motors? What will be the voltage output from the final motor back into the batteries? Can this system eventually be looped, or could a generator attached to the last motor provide the power to run the whole thing?

3 3BGS - YouTube

Let the games begin.


Dave