3 Battery Generating System

[shylo]

levels

Hi John, I'm sure you know,
When is the best time to rotate, 14.5 ?
When you force 2 fields against each other is that a di-pole?
What's stronger, fields attracting or opposing?
If you let gravity affect a magnetic field ,..does it change the strenght ?
Sorry ,but like to hear your answers.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Nice to hear from you John.

The thing is your drawing says "Start with Dead battery less than 1.5 volt" David didn't know your were using AA batts. So he found a 12 volt batt that was less than 1.5v.
When he ran it with a motor the 24 v section charged up and kept running for months. He named it the 3 battery generating system after realizing he found something other than was discussed.

I have seen the charging first hand but usually the battery has tendency to fix itself. I watched one run that way for several hours before the system started to consume.

Its funny thing but unfortunately it has no rhyme or reason why some do and some don't.

Cheer
Matt

[shylo]

getting closer

Hi Matt, Does it depend on when you switch, what level?
Interaction occurs within proximity , the closer it is ,the stronger it is.
The level is what we want.
On a side note, would a set of 3 travelers , going through 3 tracks , have you already done this?
artv

[Turion]

What caused the battery to charge was an energy flip or a magnetic reversal which causes the di-pole to compress and then expand where the energy exceeds the short circuit voltage with a huge spike. This is not Back EMF as back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. It’s the compression in the magnetic field. When the current is released the gathered radiant surrounding energy in vectors is compressed and released and that energy is much increased in voltage not current. This works like an expanding and contracting balloon. Another analogy is the combustion engine. Think about what I just said to you all.
John Bedini

For a long time it has been my belief that flipping the magnetic polarity of a battery is what has caused it to produce excess energy on the 3BGS setup.

[John_Bedini]

3 battery system

It appears that this device is becoming over compcated, this is a simple
device . To answer the question about the 12 volt battery it is charged at 15 volts anything below that the battery is not charged. You must bring the battery
to the end of the charge curve. You need the reserve energy to get the correct
Amp Hrs. In the demnstration I gave with the three battery system the balancing of the voltage is important weither we use 3 volts or 24 volts that is
not important, it's the differnce potential energy to charge the third battery
You must chose the load very carefully for this process to work. The load must run and charge the third battery.
John

[Turion]

Confusion

John,
I understand what you are saying, and I understand the original intent of the 3 battery system. It was to rotate the three batteries and all three would remain charged. If the load was right.

What I stumbled upon quite by accident was that if you have the right "bad" battery in the third position, something happens, almost as if a gate is opened, and you can run the setup WITHOUT rotating the batteries...battery three increases in voltage, and sometimes even the primaries (batteries one and two) increase in voltage, and the motor runs loads while a load is also across battery three. In over eight years of experimenting with this setup, I have seen that happen several times. The first time it happened, it lasted for several weeks and I thought I was going to be rich. I have seen it last for days. I have seen it last for hours. Then suddenly it stops happening and the primaries begin to discharge. On two occasions when it was "working" I disconnected all the connections on the batteries and discovered that battery 3 had flipped polarity. It is possible that this is what has happened EVERY time it has been "working".

Several other folks have replicated this setup WITHOUT rotating the batteries and seen the same thing, although from the reports I have gotten the best anyone has had was a run of a couple days before it quit working. What we HOPED to find was a consistent method of getting a battery in the third position to achieve whatever state it needs to be in for this "gate" to open. We have not been able to do that yet.

As I said, I think it is about getting battery 3 to flip its magnetic polarity, not its electrical polarity, although I believe it flips its electrical polarity at the same time. But just because it flips its electrical polarity doesn't mean it has flipped its magnetic polarity.

So at least what I have been working on is not the same as the original intent of the circuit you were demonstrating, because I was NOT rotating the batteries. I realize that may just confuse folks, but I wanted to be sure that the difference between the two experiments is clear, even though the circuit is exactly the same.

Dave

[John_Bedini]

3 Battery System

Dave, Matt,
I do understand what you’re both saying. I’m just trying to give a little history on the three battery system. The lead acid battery is much different in its makeup as if you study the battery you will find that three currents take place in that battery to move things along. I cannot get into the currents here as it would take forever to explain it. I also have seen batteries develop a semi magnetic fields; this experiment will show that the lead acid battery can be quickly charged with the use of powerful magnets in alignment across the plates. I think you guys are doing great work and I’m not here to interfere with your progress. Peter told me about this and I said I would go look and read everything.
At a different point in time I will discuss what the coil is and how quantum mechanics plays an important part in all of this and how you get the extra energy out of the system. I did write a paper for University of Edinburgh along with Dave Clemons that explained the way the coil works in the system as an energy pump and how the SSG in attraction mode works. This is why I said, the Back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South. This was never released to the public as it would drive everybody nuts. The Engineers at the school answered me with; we never looked at it this way. But the analyses were correct and explained why some machines work better in different areas of this God forsaken planet. Yes Gravity plays an important part in all of this. It’s only a matter of time when you will tap that Gravity wave for energy as that is where my experiments have led me in my work. I know you will read this many times to understand what I have just said and you all know the meaning of this if you do it. If we take this further you now have discovered the answer to the TPU. Some say that the Shaman resonance is responsible for this but the energy is driven by gravity that permeates everything throughout space it’s just a matter how it’s taped for energy. Solid state devices detect this wave if arranged correctly and then the TPU becomes not complicated anymore with windings and high frequency’s oscillators that is what powered Tesla’s car, the box with many vacuum tubes, so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form, for example the last version of the SSG. The unit converts the spikes and then filters it to be used with a Linear Amplifier Regulator. Just something to think about, so keep up your good work at least your group is getting somewhere here with this type of system. Good work all. I’m honored that you all would mention my early work, so thank you all.
John Bedini

[shylo]

the battery

Hi John, Is the battery constructed to hold charge in levels, or in even flow from top to bottom???
I just use dead bats ,It's like batteries go through stages, It's like something is giving them a kidney punch?
Is it like a high rise building , where it takes all the charge off the top then works its' way down, or does it take from all levels' evenly?
This is part of what I need to figure out.
Just ramblin, Thanks for your time
artv

[Turion]

Batteries Not included

Here is a question for those of you replicating the 3BGS setup. When you put your meter on battery 3, what exactly is it you are measuring. In MOST cases your initial reading will be 24+ volts, so obviously you are NOT measuring the voltage in battery 3 itself. If you have the RIGHT bad battery, and you leave it all connected, the voltage will go slowly down to around 18 volts, and then your 12 volt motor will begin to run. SO NOW what are you measuring? The first time I ever set up the 3BGS, my battery measured 24+ volts, went down to 18 volts (which took about 15 minutes) and would continue to go down in voltage to about 9 volts, then the motor would shut off, the voltage would immediately jump to 24+ volts again, and the cycle would repeat over and over and over again. To keep it from shutting off, I connected loads to battery 3. I first hooked up 12 volt lights and small 12 volt motors, then I used an inverter and hooked up all kinds of appliances. Drills, my shop vac, a lamp…anything I could find. I had to balance these loads by increasing the load on the motor, or the system would kick off because of the inverter drawing too many amps with too many appliances hooked up at once. But I ask again, what is it we are measuring when we put a meter on battery 3 in this setup.

Dave

[John_Bedini]

3 battery system

Artv
The cells should pull all even unless all the lead is used up on the plates.
Bad batteries are usually sulphated and no movement in ions or electrons
Can take place. Pulsing the battery or high energy spikes remove the
Sulphated crystals providing that cells have no shorts. Only this type of lead cell
Can be restored to about 85% Batteries with shorted cells will not work
With this process unless you clean the built up lead in the bottom of the
Battery. The only other thing is shorted insulators then nothing can be done. Best to watch the process with good batteries.
John

[shylo]

Sorry John

You misunderstood my question, My fault for not explaining better.
A single battery dead or alive , when you draw a load off of it, ...does that battery drain from all cells evenly , but from the top of the cells, or evenly throughout the height of the cell? Or maybe the bottom?
Thank-you for taking the time.
artv

[Turion]

The other day on another forum someone posted that all we were seeing here is a reactivation of a battery that appears be dead, but when we break the sulfation loose with high voltage spikes the battery suddenly returns to its former fully charged state, and that's where we are getting our "free energy" from. That the 3BGS is BS. This was brought to my attention, and I said at the time that I couldn't be bothered to respond to what some idiot posted. But then I thought about it for a while and I realized that unless this thing is kept alive, there will be no bright young minds looking into it who some day figure it out, and that would be a shame. So I decided NOT to let it slide.

I have restored dozens of batteries to working condition using the 3BGs, so I am well aware that batteries can be brought back to life from a sulfated condition. That is one of the pain in the butt aspects of this thing. It restores batteries I want to stay bad, because when they were 'bad" I was getting excess energy. I have said that many, many times if you bother to read through the thread.

Over 20 people who have replicated the 3BGS over the years have gotten their 3 batteries to run loads that have exceeded the available amp hours of their batteries by several times and at the end of such runs, in MANY cases, the batteries were still fully charged. In some cases the primaries had gone down, but they had still exceeded the energy available by several times. In a few cases, the loads which should have exhausted that available energy in a matter of hours ran for as long as three weeks. Then it quit for no reason. In over eight years of testing I have had such runs myself on a several occasions. I have put eight years into this, and I have a pretty good idea of how long a 7.5 amp hour battery will will run an inverter with a 100 watt bulb attached. Unless you see this for yourself, I do not expect you to believe it, which is why I began this thread in the first place. Having serious doubts is your right. You are absolutely right to be skeptical. But until you do the research and spend the time necessary to thoroughly debunk this project, I find it reprehensible that you would go on another forum and make such comments behind my back. You have no honor.

In the interest of honesty I should also disclose that MANY people have seen absolutely nothing when they put together this setup. But in those cases I have to wonder if they followed the step by step directions in Post #1 and got the RIGHT dead battery. If they didn't, I wouldn't EXPECT them to get any results.

[Turion]

Just watch Skeptic Test 1-5 or so to see a 3BGS setup that happens to be working at the time I was doing some filming. They don't ALWAYS work like that, but sometimes you get some pretty amazing stuff out of the 3BGS. And sometimes you don't. It is for real, but it is NOT consistent or dependable. I have put scopes and meters on it, and I have measured inputs and outputs. If people choose NOT to believe it, that's ok by me. I know what I know.

Dave

[wantomake]

Proof to me

test#2 - YouTube

Dave,
I read that also. I agree with you. When you see it in front of you, then the evidence will change you in many ways. Until these doubters see it and know it, there will be no change.

We must be examples for the next generation.

Thanks for being a good one Dave,
wantomake

[battman]

Hi Everyone,

Just thought I should put a post up.

I've been speaking to Dave and informing him of my test setup and bad battery, turns out I may have a really, really good bad battery!

I need to do some more tests which I will do in the next day or two.

I can say that everything that has been talked about I have seen, the motor not starting instantly, the motor suddenly speeding up after adding loads onto the 3rd battery.

In the next day or so I will do some proper testing and come back with my findings.