3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

Saturday morning and hot coffee with pics

Burnt some midnight oil last night. So this morning enjoying good hot coffee while planning, praying, thinking about today.

Thanks Dave that looks like a good idea. I have a problem with the winding machine(manually turned) rolling backwards which makes the wire come off the wheel.(pic#3) Need to use a tension device before and after the wheel. Change the front guide to a tension device also.

But in spite of this DIY handmade junk, I was able to get the first coil finished without rod core yet though. Will need a table and much better complete coil winding machine to complete this device. It took way too long just to get ONE coil done. Got to wind 9 more just like it if I can get ALL the variables to work together.

Then power my house and neighborhood. HAHAHA yes nothing like dreaming and good coffee. But that's not my goal.
wantomake

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[citfta]

Hi Wantomake,

I use pieces of plastic tubing before and after my measuring wheel. They are about 6 inches long and I think about 3/16th inch inside diameter. They are a little harder to thread especially with very small gauge wire but they keep just enough tension on my wires that the wheel doesn't move on its own. I also added the tie wraps on the edges of the wheel yesterday like Dave suggested. That also helped a lot in keeping the wires on the wheel. I am also winding some coils now for some testing of some ideas I have read about. If those ideas check out I will share them with you.

Morning prayers, Bible reading and a good cup of coffee are an excellent way to start your day.

Take care,
Carroll

[wantomake]

Good advice

Hi Wantomake,

I use pieces of plastic tubing before and after my measuring wheel. They are about 6 inches long and I think about 3/16th inch inside diameter. They are a little harder to thread especially with very small gauge wire but they keep just enough tension on my wires that the wheel doesn't move on its own. I also added the tie wraps on the edges of the wheel yesterday like Dave suggested. That also helped a lot in keeping the wires on the wheel. I am also winding some coils now for some testing of some ideas I have read about. If those ideas check out I will share them with you.

Morning prayers, Bible reading and a good cup of coffee are an excellent way to start your day.

Take care,
Carroll

Thanks Carroll,
That's just good wisdom and daily living.

Just picked up some 3/4" threaded rods with nuts/washers to hold the 12 spools with single wire each. Trying to manufacture a speciality machine like this winding apparatus takes imagination and 3D vision.

But as I know Dave and Matthew has already seen results. I feel trying this idea is worth the seeing it through to the end effort. I really want to see a motor/generator that powers itself as my ultimate goal.

Been reading with studying on the Muller thread. But can't get any answers as to why the thread stopped. According to the video his machine was a self runner.

But back to the shop with new parts and such. Saturday shopping is done and back home. Need to peel my butt off this couch cushion!!!

wantomake

[wantomake]

Coil with core tests

Last night inserted the first coil into place. Wasn't easy! So for my own interest just connect Fluke meter to one single wire and powered up the unit. The one single wire had 37.88 Volts AC on the meter. Which means very little at this point. Very hard to spin the rotor mags past it. But before I connected the 12 wires in a parallel/series arrangement I was able to spin the rotor with the smaller MY1016 modified Matt motor. It took about 10+ amps to move the rotor. But. After connecting the wires as the picture below shows, it wouldn't turn past it. With only the one core I think lenz effect is in full force. I believe with one more core placed in next coil spot will help offset the attraction and lenz affect. Just guessing of course.

Later today I'll try again to power it up with only a few wires connected in parallel. Curiosity will probably burn up this first motor. But now the tire hits the pavement. Testing now begins my friends.

So Dave you are so correct that the variables need to be correct and work together. This the exact reason many good replicators are stand-off-ish with this 3BGS concept.

Connecting the 12 wires in a parallel/series arrangement is a real brain buster. That's 3 sets of 4 wires connected parallel but series with 3 wires coming off it to have only 1 wire left. Dave hit me with that puzzle but was able to figure it out. If you can't just drink more coffee and study multi-filar connections on Google.

wantomake

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[Turion]

Wires

To get the wires connected right, you need to get them all labeled first. You need to put a piece of tape on the beginning and end of each wire that you can write a number on. You can use an ohm meter to figure out which beginning goes to which end, or you can do what I did.
Label the beginning of all 12 wires with numbers one through twelve. Connect the positive of a battery to wire number one. Connect the ground lead of your volt meter to that same battery. Now touch the positive lead of the volt meter to the END of each wire. Whichever one shows voltage on the meter is the END of wire one. So LABEL it. Now disconnect wire one from the battery and move on to wire two. When you are done with all the wires it is easy to connect the end of wire one to the beginning of wire two, the end of wire two to the beginning of wire three, the end of wire three to the beginning of wire four.

I left the labels on the wires so I could experiment. This is the simplest way I know. Later I used colored electrical tape to do the same thing. Black, red, green, blue and yellow are the only colors I could find, which is only enough for the first six wires, so wires 7-12 each had TWO strips of tape on them of the same color. I would wrap a band around the wire and not leave anything hanging off. It was not as simple as the first method I talked about, but neater, and no tabs with numbers on them flopping all over the place.

When I was all done, and only had TWO wires coming off each coil, I took ohm readings on all 12 coils and matched them in pairs I then used bands of colored electrical tape to mark the pairs.

Hope that helps

[wantomake]

Deleted that post

I deleted last post to update.

Was able to get rotor to turn. It pulled more than 20 amps to start and shorted a 20 amp fuse on the drok booster. Just took it off the board. But the modified motor did turn it to full speed and showed 258+- vac on the meter coming from the coil. This is without a load. I did place a car dc bulb across the coil and noticed a slight increase in rpms without increase in amp draw.

Since the magnets only line up with one coil at a time then maybe the amp pull on the motor will stay around 10.75 amps and 12.68 vdc. Will know for sure as more coils are added and better balance is done on the rotor.

wantomake

[Turion]

Amp draw

Your amp draw is going to go UP for every coil you add. I wish it wasn’t so, but it is. Let the games begin.

[wantomake]

Early musing over coffee

Yesterday I spent much time installing a second coil. Wanting to see the effect on the even/odd matching of coils and magets. There was a difference to me. But as Turion stated amps will increase as more coils are added. At start up there's 20+- amps. But settles to 10+- amps once up to speed.

I do have the next size up my1016 motor. I plan to rewind it to use as prime mover.

Sorry the hot coffee is better than the musings.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Morning coffee

Don't know if these morning coffee sessions help or hinder anyone reading these lines. At these years of life it helps to reflect and post for reference and possibly help anyone reading.

Yesterday I started up the upright Turion generator/motor to see something curiosity forced me to do. Put a heavy duty reed switch attached across the 12 stranded parallel/series connected coil, and no neon lamp. Wear gloves common sense said, but no said curiosity. Yes got zapped and my legs wanted to do the Irish River dance!!!!! But not wearing gloves I noticed the reed switch getting hot. Therefore looked and saw beautiful purple coating of power on the reed electrodes. It seemed poetic as purple danced from one electrode to the other. To prevent melting the reed I hit the "off" switch.

Shorting coils is just one way to harvest energy besides generation. But this is just ONE coil. How much will be generated with all ten coils in place????

As I posted, this is only the beginning of the fun and dancing.

No not Irish. English descent and have the family lineage from 1262 Kent county England.

Coffee needs warming
wantomake

[wantomake]

Will not stop

Like the Pink Floyd song asks "is anybody out there"?

That's ok. Last night was able to get the second "test" coil inserted well actually banged in with a hammer. Will need to revisit my design because of that. The inserting/removing coils is very important. This second coil is different size than first one. Second coil is only 100 feet long with 18 strands. But will be used as a motoring coil. Not sure of parallel/series connections yet. Wire is 19 to 21 awg size scrapped from old tv monitor.

wantomake

[kenssurplus]

James, reusing old previously wound wire can sometimes cause the insulation to break where it has been flexed. This can cause a short condition especially if wound on metal cores without much protection such as winding tape / paper / shellac / or other any other "softening" protective layer. I know I ended up with a coil that had shorts in it from using old wire and had to re-wind it with new wire.

On the subject of removable coils, There was a youtube video several years ago about an axial-flux windmill generator build, where the builder made each coil as a removable wedge or pie section in a circular doughnut stator. Each wedge had a sort of tongue and groove slide in design for ease of coil replacement. I believe they had trouble with warping or too much flexing in the stator when it was finished. I attempted to replicate their design but was only able to mold 3 pie pieces before I ran out of stuff. So, yeah I gave up on that method.

[wantomake]

Old wire

James, reusing old previously wound wire can sometimes cause the insulation to break where it has been flexed. This can cause a short condition especially if wound on metal cores without much protection such as winding tape / paper / shellac / or other any other "softening" protective layer. I know I ended up with a coil that had shorts in it from using old wire and had to re-wind it with new wire.

On the subject of removable coils, There was a youtube video several years ago about an axial-flux windmill generator build, where the builder made each coil as a removable wedge or pie section in a circular doughnut stator. Each wedge had a sort of tongue and groove slide in design for ease of coil replacement. I believe they had trouble with warping or too much flexing in the stator when it was finished. I attempted to replicate their design but was only able to mold 3 pie pieces before I ran out of stuff. So, yeah I gave up on that method.

Thanks Kenssurplus,
Yea I worried the same with reuse of old wire. But it seems ok thus far. But this will not be a long use coil. Just for testing only.

That wedge shaped coils on grooves sounds interesting. And yes my rotor does warp and bend as I've only two coils on now. 2" circular magnets with 3/4" diameter coil cores. The small my1016 will hardly turn it.

Thanks for the heads up there.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Good start morning

Good hot coffee, mild weather, prospects of a good week ahead.

This week I'll try to do some adjustments on the gap between rotor and cores. The rotor is only 1/8" clearance on both sides. I didn't know how strong the pull of the 2" dia. magnets would be on the welding rod cores. Therefore will try a 1/4" to 3/8" gap on the sides. This will no doubt reduce the drag on the prime mover and coil output. But stopping the rubbing of the rotor on the 3/4" upright wood is a concern.

Why not build a smaller version of this Turion upright generator? Simple answer. I've built smaller version of the Bedini SSG, Newman motor/generator, B&L ground extraction unit, the 3BGS, even a windmill. But on a smaller scale it's hard to get great results to compare input /output performance.

For myself, it has been the full scale approach the hands-on experience teaching and yes proving the inventors idea.

Also it helps so much to find trustful teachers the inventors of these above mentioned. If your heart and spirit is to help find answers to this energy quest then they will know and guide you.


Well as I always end with this. Time to warm up the coffee.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Thoughts versus building

Yesterday's thoughts versus building was unfruitful. I wanted to finish the widening the gap for the rotor. Did the measurement and how-to part, but didn't finish the building part.

I wound up doing capturing then converting coil shorting experiments all day. This replication of the 3BGS system will be long and tedious.

Well as I always say, time to nuke the coffee.
wantomake

[Turion]

Ghost

I'm still around. Health issues have curbed all my research, except into what is good on TV. If I can figure way to get free energy out of a television set, I figure I'll be rich. Anyway, I am checking in from time to time to see what you guys are up to. Doesn't seem like much activity on the forums at all anymore, but that's the way it goes sometimes.