3 Battery Generating System

[mobigozer]

Werjefelt

Hi all,

The Youtube-link about Werjefelt that Dave uploaded does not work; but the other Werjefelt-link of RexResearch does.
I made a pdf out of it (before it's taken offline..haha :-)

KR
Mobi

[Turion]

The only reason I showed that info at all is that he is one of the first to show WITH DATA that when you use magnetism to cancel out the magnetic drag of the rotor going past the iron cores of the coils you can benefit. If you think about it, every time you add a coil to your machine you gain 130 volts at 1.5 amps but it COSTS you nothing to do this if there is NO magnetic drag and no bogging down of the motor when the coil is under load. These are the TWO things I have shown you all how to do.

So, you have a specific amount of loss due to work done to turn the rotor with magnets on it, depending on the size of the rotor and the number of magnets and how many amps it takes to turn it at the proper rpm.

But if the addition of the proper coil in NO way impacts the speed or amp draw of the motor, (because of magnetic neutralization and delayed or cancelled Lenz) how many coils do you have to have outputting energy before you break even? What do you get when you add six MORE coils with no effect, or ten, or twenty? If you guys see NO BENEFIT to this and want to lump yourself in with bistander, be my guest. Otherwise get off your butt and build the thing.

[Pot head]

Hi Turion

Me too.
I put it out for the younger set and they don’t
want to sweat because it’s uncomfortable.
Be rough with your build if it holds together then you won!!
If it breaks, you still win!
It’s called experimenting.
Buy parts. Use parts. Make parts. Break parts.
It’s called LEARNING.
Have you ever stuck your tongue to a 9 volt battery?
Have you ever stuck a butter knife barehanded in a light socket?
Once you learn not to do stupid things, everything else is sweeeeet!

[Turion]

Stupid things

I still do LOTS of stupid things to see what will happen, and have blown up thousands of dollars in parts doing it. But that won’t stop me.

Working on assembling the generator today. Probably won’t be done for a couple days and then STILL have to wind more coils before it’s finished. Six coils SHOULD be enough to prove my point beyond a doubt, but we will see. If not, this version of my machine holds ten. That would be a couple more days of coil winding. My only issue is time, but giving it all I can spare right now.

[Pot head]

Dedication

A man.
You must build it for your own heart to soar.
The satisfaction of accomplishment.
If it works and you are having fun,
then be your own man.
As a long shadow is cast upon the ground for
others to follow, be the trail blazer.

[Turion]

Setback

Ran into an issue. I built a special setup for a drill press at my od shop where the drill came down from the ceiling. It allowed me to drill holes in anything of ANY size up to 6 feet in diameter because I could get it under the drill. I don't have that setup at my new shop yet, so I cannot drill some of the holes in the base plate I need to drill to mount things. So today I ordered the bits I need to fit the little plunge router adaptor for my Dremel tool. I can use it as a drill press to drill those holes. It will be Thursday before I get them, so the weekend before I can get this thing put back together. A shame, because I have a little time right now while I wait for my shower drain pan to come in. Once it is here, it's back to work on my bathroom remodel.
Dave

[Pot head]

Question

Have you thought about magnet arrangement
like my tiny rotor but on a larger scale?
How to get that kind of extra energy from your build?
Would it be beneficial or draining?
I suppose another day will work.

[Turion]

I have no basis to compare the output of a machine with a standardrotor vs a rotor like yours, so I can’t really comment. If I haven’t seen it running on my bench I hate to speculate.

[Netica]

Hello Turion,

You have made rotors with 2 inch diameter magnets and you have made rotors with 1 inch diameter magnets (also much more) however just with these 2 diameters with all else being equal was the delay effect noticed at different rotor speeds with respect to these two different diameter sizes?

[Pot head]

Thanks

I have no basis to compare the output of a machine with a standardrotor vs a rotor like yours, so I can’t really comment. If I haven’t seen it running on my bench I hate to speculate.

I obtained the graphite powder.
If you have a way for me to look at some photos of your builds and arrangements of your layout, I wish to study it to give you a different perspective, maybe I can help?
I am no spring chicken in this field.
My intent is to help you build a newer/friendlier rotor with extra access for more power generation than before.
I have noticed drag is beneficial when the output is over 1.65% of the input.
With lenzlessness comes an escape of drag but the percentage drops when rpm’s increase.
That is just an observation from me.

[Turion]

I have noticed drag is beneficial when the output is over 1.65% of the input.
With lenzlessness comes an escape of drag but the percentage drops when rpm’s increase.
That is just an observation from me.

What do you mean by "the percentage drops when rpm's increase"?

I have posted many videos of my machine with all the information about how it is put together. It works just fine the way it is, and I see no reason to change it. Using coils like yours would be difficult for my machine since magnets on the face of my rotor interact with the coil rather than magnets on the end of the rotor.

Netica, there IS a difference in the required rpm when you have 1" magnets vs 2" magnets, which is why I said I believe that whether or not you get speed up under load or not is determined by how fast each individual magnet moves from the position where it begins to interact with the iron core to the point where it is centered over the iron core.

[Netica]

Hi Turion,

Yes, as best as I can estimate the rotor speed difference should be around 1/3 slower when using the 1 inch magnet rather than the 2 inch magnet, because there is 1/3 less distance to travel for the magnets to reach the centre point from when they start to interact as you have said.

Would it be correct that you have found that the difference in RPM is indeed around 1/3 slower when using the 1 inch magnets instead of the 2 inch magnets with all else being equal?

[Pot head]

What do you mean by "the percentage drops when rpm's increase"?

I have posted many videos of my machine with all the information about how it is put together. It works just fine the way it is, and I see no reason to change it. Using coils like yours would be difficult for my machine since magnets on the face of my rotor interact with the coil rather than magnets on the end of the rotor.

Netica, there IS a difference in the required rpm when you have 1" magnets vs 2" magnets, which is why I said I believe that whether or not you get speed up under load or not is determined by how fast each individual magnet moves from the position where it begins to interact with the iron core to the point where it is centered over the iron core.

Turion, I meant my stuff.
I can only refer to what is in front of me.
You may be sore from others but I’m not going there to harm you.
Maybe take a shot of whiskey and some girlfriend time.
Outdoor grill on a nice breezy day.

[Turion]

Netica,
I can't honestly answer that question. The required rpm went from 2800 to about 1900 when I switcher to the smaller magnets, but I went from three strands of 1000 feet to 12 strands of 250 feet with four connected in series....so three wires coming off the coil...at the same time. That makes it tough for me to say for sure which was responsible for the decrease or what % each change was responsible for.


Pot head.
Rum and coke. Several of them. Until I feel no pain.
Dave

[Netica]

Hi there again Turion,

Your help with getting a good understanding of this is much appreciated. Am very grateful for all the insight that you are giving.

Ultimately you have said that you have used this as a motor generator by pulsing the coils for a part of the time when the magnet passes the coil core and the rest of the time being used as a generator. I am wondering if when you changed to this configuration it helped at all with the overheating problem of the core.