3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

All,
Speaking of drawing some load off the good batteries. I'm setting up a small setup with two 12 volt motors right now...one as motor-one as generator. I am wondering if the MJL would have fried when loads were put on the motor IF they had been balanced by loads on battery three as I have been doing. That is the FIRST thing I am going to try. What I am going to do is add loads to the motor until I burn out a transistor (on purpose) and then replace it, connecting an even greater load to the motor than the one that burned the transistor out, but prior to starting the system up, put a similar load on battery three. So they won't necessarily be balanced, but it might give me some indication as to whether that could be a successful solution or whether it really is going to be a matter of finding a different switching mechanism. I will post a video of what it takes to blow the transistor, and whether or not adding a load to battery three prevented an even larger load on the motor from blowing the second transistor. Does that sound like a reasonable test? The next step would be adding more loads to the motor until the second transistor blows, and then trying a third transistor with even greater loads on the motor plus more loads on battery three prior to starting up.

Dave

[FRC]

Turion

Sounds like you are going to have a lot of transistors to play with. What about paralleling two or more transistors like Matt said might work ? Hope You have some left over to try this. If you can afford to waste a lot of transistors then this would be good research to try. Just hope you do not waste too much money on them.

George

[Turion]

I bought 25 of the MJL's a long time back, so I have a few to burn without feeling it too badly. I have it all wired with the two MJL's in parallel right now, and will fire it up as soon as I grab a sandwich and hook in the resistors Matt recommended. I only came upstairs to check what it was he suggested using, and thought I would drop in hare and make a sandwich while I read whatever was posted. If I have to, I'll yank some off of one of my monopoles. They've each got at least six.

I will let it run like that with some loads on the motor to see what it can do with some loads, and then balance the loads with loads on battery three and maybe pull one transistor out and see what happens.
Dave

[FRC]

Thanks Dave

I just came in from loading up the car. I am glad you are trying the parallel
setup first. Hope to see some good results.

George

[kcarring]

Igbt

@Turion , Matt and others.

I have (4) GT50J102's sitting insulated aluminum heatsink. They are IGBT's, not sure if they might work, thing is I don't personally understand the implications of low saturation voltage (2.7V) on this circuit. VCE is 600V. 50A. They came out of a casino machine.

Available free to anyone here wishing to use them, as a trial, I'll even pay shipping. Only trying to help.

http://www.glyn.de/data/glyn/media/doc/GT50J102.pdf

[Turion]

I haven't been able to get it to run. The 47 ohm resistor got really hot, the voltage jumped to 24 on my meter, but the motor never started. I checked everything a couple times and all my wiring seems ok, as do my connections. So I pulled all the wires off and will rewire it from the beginning. Sometimes that's the only way I have found to fix a problem. I had a light on battery thee, as a load, and it wouldn't even come on until I flipped the switch, which is the way it should be. I'll keep messing with it'

Dave

[FRC]

Dave

Matt's may have worked with the circuit because of the size of the batteries
and the fact he was using a 24v motor. Maybe reduce resistance and see what happens.
I assume you are using a smaller battery for battery 3 than what Matt used.

George

[Turion]

Think I found the problem. My battery three has been doing weird stuff, and I forgot about it. I connected both transistors in parallel and it didn't work. So I tried one transistor and it didn't work. So I tried the basic original system and it still didn't work. I connected a car dome light across battery three and the motor did not come on. So I connected a car headlight across battery three and the motor did not come on. So I connected a SECOND car headlight across battery three and the motor DID come on. I think the metal filings I put in battery three are causing a condition that is worsening (or improving) the battery, depending on your point of view. Now it takes more load directly across the battery before there is a complete circuit in the system that allows the motor to start. Has anyone ever seen anything like that before? The load SHOULD bypass battery three completely, and now I need THREE loads to bypass battery three, and only ONE of them lights up.

At least I know WHY my setup did not work with the two transistors. I didn't have any loads on battery three. So I will have to hook everything up again and start over.

Here's the YouTube video:
Unusual Test 3 - YouTube

EDIT: While I was sitting here typing this and loading to YouTube, I heard my motor start up down in the basement. Apparently I left the "on" switch in the on position, only turning off the three lights, which caused the system to quit. Apparently it needed to set there quite a while before it would kick on by itself...a GOOD 15 minutes at least! My "bad" battery, which was at 0 volts when I started, and did not register any voltage the two or three times I checked, including immediately after I finished making the video and shut the system down, is now at 11.75 volts. I will let it rest and see what happens. So between the time I heard the motor start up and could walk downstairs to see what was going on, the motor went from 0 to 11.75 volts.

[FRC]

minoly

Yes the meters go crazy. I do not think I ever mentioned this before. It has
been posted here by others working on this. But I always forget to mention
that it happens to me also. Good to see you are trying this too.

George

[FRC]

Dave

The motors you are using in that last video look very similar to the motor I used in the 2BGS. The halogen would light up bright at first but then go to a very dim light also. But the motor would still run fast. So then I went to the computer fan for load so that the motor would run slower. You could try the 2BGS with that setup and see what happens.

George

[Turion]

At this point it's not my motors I'm worried about or concerned with, but the unusual behavior of the system because of battery number three. Why would it take three separate loads bypassing the battery (connecting directly across its terminals in essence bypasses it) to complete a circuit and get the motor to run? It makes no sense. And when left alone for 15 minutes, it starts on its own with NO load on battery three at all!! I want to get my head around this behavior of the third battery.

Dave

[FRC]

Dave

Dave is this still the bad battery with the iron fillings ? Do you have another bad battery you can try that was not modified in this way ? Sounds like the iron fillings have somehow created these anomalies in the bad battery. Or what else would account for it ?

George

[Matthew Jones]

Maybe the battery is shorted out.

Check for continuity between the poles.

Matt

[FRC]

Maybe the battery is shorted out.

Check for continuity between the poles.

Matt

That would make sense. The fillings are floating around in the battery and intermittently shorting it out when they align with each other. At other times they are apart and the battery works.

George

[ewizard]

At this point it's not my motors I'm worried about or concerned with, but the unusual behavior of the system because of battery number three. Why would it take three separate loads bypassing the battery (connecting directly across its terminals in essence bypasses it) to complete a circuit and get the motor to run? It makes no sense. And when left alone for 15 minutes, it starts on its own with NO load on battery three at all!! I want to get my head around this behavior of the third battery.

Dave

Hmmm ... I'll take a wild guess at that one. Not based on hard physics or chemistry but with a little of both in mind I will say first we are dealing with very low voltages relatively speaking but dealing also with high current capabilities. So with low voltage we don't have a lot of quick or hard pushing but there is a mass of electrons available due to the amperage batteries like this have. So dead battery 3 is sitting there and probably has high internal resistance but still low enough that SOME current can flow. That massive current available at low pressure (voltage) will probably start agitating (not a full force kick) some ions in solution or in some way changing enough of the chemistry in it that you get an eventual cascade effect due to the large available current from your good batteries. Not really sure about any of this but it 'feels' like it fits what may be happening. Very high current like you can get from car batteries is also something I've been lead to believe can cause transmutation (which of course mainstream physics says is not possible). I've seen evidence that it is possible and because of the potential it has this info is suppressed.