3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

Made my day

I’m sitting in VA Cinic about to get scanned for hernia or worse and saw this post. Suddenly I feel better.

I will be testing soon the first coil. Have the winder almost done. Progress is slow but going forward. Will get back into shop after this X-ray today.

wantomake

[Turion]

Lurking

Matt and I are still around. Just don’t have anything new to share. It is all here. We could keep saying the same things over and over, but that is a waste of everyone’s time and we have been doing THAT for ten years.

I do have the molds to pour ferrite cores for the Matt motor and when that is done and tested, I will post the results.

Until somebody BESIDES ME runs a lenz delayed generator with the Matt motor and shows the results everyone is treading water. There is no belief here other than a couple folks, so until successful replications start piling up, this thread is going nowhere.

I have to share one FACT of interest. I was contacted by someone who has credentials in a couple different areas very specific to what we are working with here who ran across this thread doing research. His conclusions support what we have been saying, but I cannot disclose his name or even the disciplines in which he holds degrees and certifications. LOL. YOU may not give a crap, but for me it was nice to see that SOMEONE in main stream science is on the right track and understands what we are talking about.

Construction at my house plus health issues has slowed my work to a crawl, but that’s ok. What has been presented here is just the tip of the iceberg. Most folks will just pass on by without stopping at all, but a few will realize there is something there and one or two may discover what is below the surface. Matt and I are moving forward with our work and eventually some of the things we know will get passed on to the folks working here. One thing you can be pretty sure of, and that is that it will be passed on privately to the folks who took the time to build and post about their replications here, not disclosed in a public forum so lazy lurkers can run off with our ideas to the patent office as has already happened.

[wantomake]

Questions

I have more pieces to the puzzle as of today. I have been watching this
forum and seeing all entries. Turion is out. Soon we will rule the board.

I sure hope so, it is time.

The Chinese sent me 2 hubs 1mm bigger than the package says.
So I get my hubs (1 of 3 separate deals I made) look at the label
and it says 10mm shaft size but the calipers show 11mm

I have 2 more and they work (to smart to buy just one) just fine, 1
is from USA much larger. More coming. This is for Jordan's proof of
the concept. Going iron laminates first then to rods in black sand
later to compare.

Stand strong, fight til the end, never give in.

Bro,
Hope you're just posting an LOL moment. Turion isn't out. As people wake up and build/post more I'm sure he will notice and join in.

I worked most of the day on the winding machine yesterday. My Chinese made(no offense please) hand winding apparatus got bumped off the desk and broke the cast iron hand crank. Had to build one from scratch real iron piece. But still got a good idea on how to build a low tech coil winder.

Oh I'm past stopping now. Got too much time, resources, and thought in this setup to give up. When a self runner, self charging, motor/generator is on a bench, EV car or scooter, then I will set back and enjoy watching this thread explode with "Oh it does work and could you help us build one!!!!!!"

Dave and Matthew will say no, I'll laugh but answer READ THIS THREAD.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Core material

Got the welding rods in today.

Want to get into the shop to wrap the 12 single strands onto empty spools, then onto the main larger coil. Bought the necessary parts to measure out the feet needed. Will assemble winding machine now that I've all the parts.

Will take a few pics as I wind just in case it will be any help to someone.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Link

Here's the link for the rods:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Welding-Rod...72.m2749.l2649

wantomake

[wantomake]

Later answer

Thank you Dave. It's all much clearer now. It only remains to be put into test and determine the right parameters.

Wantomake, I can not use my left hand for another 5 weeks but thought i could buy from ebay some stuff, like welding rods, as it takes 3-4 weeks to deliver. So I searched and find lots of different kinds. Which ones will you use, and how many for each coil. I see the prices very a lot. When I am ready I will use your setup parameters as guidance. For wire I already bought 23 quite a lot.

I’m away from home and my links to eBay where I bought the rods. I’ll post the link here for you.
As Dave said the parameters or variables are different for each build. Just build and adjust until they work together. Sounds like bad advice I know. But that’s my plan. When the unit sits in front of you on the bench then you learn and adjust it. There may be better way than mine. Sorry.

Will be home later today then I’ll post the links.
wantomake
Hope the hand gets better. Good time to study and plan.

[liber63]

Thank you Dave. It's all much clearer now. It only remains to be put into test and determine the right parameters.

Wantomake, I can not use my left hand for another 5 weeks but thought i could buy from ebay some stuff, like welding rods, as it takes 3-4 weeks to deliver. So I searched and find lots of different kinds. Which ones will you use, and how many for each coil. I see the prices very a lot. When I am ready I will use your setup parameters as guidance. For wire I already bought 23 quite a lot.

[wantomake]

Good to hear

One coil wound the way you plan will give you what you need to test with.

Thanks Dave,
Good. I plan to connect the modified Matt my1016 to the 3BGS setup from my videos later on for more power.

At 13 Volts straight connected to the battery bank the rpms are high. I'll try that first before connecting through the booster setup.

Got to get the coil wound and get the core material in before any testing. Just thinking ahead.

wantomake

[Turion]

One coil

One coil wound the way you plan will give you what you need to test with.

[wantomake]

Unusual coils

So I plan to wind my coils at 253 feet length x 12 using 23 awg and connecting three sets series parallel. Then this will aid in the delayed lenz event. Therefore the capacitance of the coil makes this possible?

I dare not engage in this discussion. My magnetism knowledge concerning generators and motors is lacking. But I'm learning. When the core material gets here next Wednesday I'll have something to get hands on experience with.

Dave I've only enough mag wire to build one coil at a time. Sorry to ask stupid question if this is one. But can I get any testing done with just one, two or even three coils?

Thanks for your post. I guess it will make more sense to me as this machine teaches my hard head.

wantomake

[Turion]

Bi,
You are absolutely correct. Up to a point. It happens with a normal coil. The coil under load repels the approaching magnet and then switches polarity and attracts it as it is trying to leave. On a NORMAL coil. I didn’t bother to talk about the second event (the attraction part of that process) that takes place because what we want to do by delaying Lenz it to have the “like” polarity in the Coil core that will repel the magnet occur at the right time so that what you describe does not get the chance to happen. If that makes any sense.

[bistander]

AC

...
The instant you connect that coil to a load, you have a complete electrical circuit that includes a coil wrapped around some kind of a core. Magnetic flux is going to be captured by that core from the passing magnet, which creates electrical current in the (now completed) wire circuit The wire wrapped around the core turns the core into a powerful electromagnet of the SAME polarity as the magnet that created the flux. Let's call that "the event".

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Hi Turion,

As the rotor mounted magnet sweeps past the coil it induces one cycle of AC. So when a North magnet approaches the center of the pole (which is the core in the center of the coil), it induces current in the coil causing a N pole on the face towards the rotor. The N pole opposes the N magnet. At TDC (the moment the magnet is centered relative to the pole), there is zero voltage generated in the coil and no current, so the pole face actually becomes a consequent S pole. As the rotor magnet moves away from the pole, it generates opposite polarity so the current is in the other direction in the coil making the pole face S. This S pole then attracts the N magnet on the rotor causing a torque opposing rotation. The coil current always causes a polarity which will result in torque opposing rotation when generating current in that coil. This is the mechanism taking mechanical power from the prime mover.

What I have just described is easily verifiable by connecting a scope across the coil/load resistor. The scope will display voltage. Coil current will have the same profile (waveform) but scaled by Ohm's Law to the ohmic value of the load resistor. Give it a look.

Regards,

bi

[wantomake]

The event

Sorry Dave I just saw this and copied it to my other collected pages on a note book app.

But all I'm able to do is read through it a bunch of times but have nothing to post about. Cutting grass all day at my age has my brains locked down. I'll study through this with a clear head and hot coffee in the morning. Waiting for wielding rods now for the core material.

May need to take the rotor off and have a local shop balance it for me. The machine vibrates itself almost off the bench at times.

wantomake

[Turion]

Look at it this way....
When the coil is not connected to a load, it doesn't matter what kind of setup you have. As long as the motor is capable of turning the rotor with magnets on it past the coil, the wheel will go round and round with no change in speed except that which is caused by the attraction of the magnets on the rotor to the coil cores.

The instant you connect that coil to a load, you have a complete electrical circuit that includes a coil wrapped around some kind of a core. Magnetic flux is going to be captured by that core from the passing magnet, which creates electrical current in the (now completed) wire circuit The wire wrapped around the core turns the core into a powerful electromagnet of the SAME polarity as the magnet that created the flux. Let's call that "the event".

At the moment the event takes place, WHERE is that rotor magnet in relation to the core? THAT"s the entire key to success here. If it is approaching the core, the rotor will slow because you have to FORCE the two opposing magnetic fields to align. Now your motor cries out in pain. If it is at TDC (top dead center), you will push the rotor away with explosive force. This makes your motor cheer. If it is PAST TDC you will STILL push the magnet away, but not as forcefully. This only makes your motor smile.

How do you CONTROL the relationship between the magnet and the coil core. If the rotor is turning FAST enough, the magnet is at TDC when the event happens. If it is NOT at TDC, speed up the rotor and it WILL BE. This is why I have CONTINUALLY said that ANY coil will speed up under load AT THE RIGHT RPM. Using proper gearing or more voltage input to the motor, you can MAKE the event happen when you want it to. Timing is EVERYTHING

But there are OTHER ways to do it too.

Changing the core material so that it absorbs the magnetic flux FASTER or SLOWER changes when the wire becomes "electrified", which controls when the event happens.

Changing the capacity of the coil so that it requires MORE magnetic flux to "electrify" all that wire and induce the event also works. You can do this by HOW you wind and connect the wire as Tesla showed us and I have shown here MANY TIMES, or you can just put lots and lots of wire on the coil as Thaine Heinz did at first, OR.... you can put a small capacitor in parallel with the coil that absorbs SOME of the electricity generated by the flux in the core and slows down the timing of the event. THAT is what they did in Tesla's day. Tesla's winding solution was designed to REPLACE the capacitor which was expensive and hard to work with back then. Now they are CHEAP and easy to use. You would need to do some research to determine the RIGHT SIZE capacitor, because you NEED the event to happen, but it wouldn't take MUCH to change WHEN it happens. How much electrical energy will your coil hold as compared to a small cap? This will allow you to run at MUCH SLOWER SPEEDS by the way.

As you may notice, the NUMBER of magnets on the rotor has NO effect on the event, because EACH magnet creates its OWN event. So your only real variables are RPM and coil capacity (As determined by winding pattern, length of wire and the possible addition of a capacitor). I know I have probably said otherwise at times, but I was full of crap. I probably just wanted to sound like I know what I'm talking about. Sometimes I do, and sometimes I just make **** up for fun. Actually it is because there are SO MANY variables associated with building a generator and I just lump them all together even though some only affect the output or the ability of the motor to turn the rotor and have NOTHING to do with the delayed Lenz effect.

This is the sum total of knowledge I have gained about how to get a generator to speed up under load. It is not "Lenz Free" as many people would like to believe, and I know I have used that term at times myself when referring to what I have built. Lenz is going to happen. This just controls WHEN the event happens so that YOU can use it to your advantage. Or not. Your choice.

Hopefully this helps a little.

[wantomake]

Coffee and a good morning

Good morning Energeticforum !!!

I'm drinking coffee while enjoying the morning sun as it breaks over the trees.

The generator is at a stand still as I want to try different coils with cores. This is one of those variables discussed earlier. The correct or best core material is yet to be disclosed. But until that time I'll be using 1/16" welding rods. I saw John Bedini and Dave (Turion) use some type. Not sure the exact metal "softness" or whatever the term used there. Muller used ferrite cores on his machine.

According to Turion the variables must be adjusted, matched, or set to get results. One thing the rpms of my rotor must be adjustable. So I'm shopping for a DC power supply.

Any comments or ideas are welcome. My goal is to witness a self running machine that can be scaled to fit on a vehicle or scooter. Then the hope and dreams of my heart will become a reality.

wantomake