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  • Turion
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    Memories

    I ran across this, and thought I would share it. If you notice the date of this blog post, you will see that it dates WAY back. The first one there will also see that I am the only one who has ever viewed it. Guess I'll never be a famous blogger.

    https://undergroundmotors.blogspot.com

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  • wantomake
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    Still?

    BM,
    I'm not sure you read my last post or not?

    But it's not my job to coach people on how to have a different perspective and be civil. I only want to try and get more people here to build and have a positive open mind about it.

    To All,
    I did use one piece of the 3/4" plywood that will be the end piece for the generator. Will cut 5 holes in it to hold the coils in place. My coil spools are 3" x 3 1/2" each. This will be my template or diagram for the 3 other pieces.

    IMG_0126.jpg

    I want to cut the holes out with door knob key hole circular bit if they sell the size I need. My 4 upright pieces will be 14" square and may have bearings on the end pieces or stand alone away from ends.

    wantomake

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  • BroMikey
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    The GenHead
    that has the lowest cogging and has the most copper mass that speeds
    up during a loaded condition wins the war on the minds.

    I should do what I told you to do and wind up another MOD MTR and run
    something using it as a generator, but my time is short these days and I
    already have a jig setup that any time I can throw on a coil.

    Just so everyone understands, I don't want to let Dave down and never
    will so I will maybe let him down easy?.......when I don't start by building
    his first genhead. I probably should, to save time because his is proven
    and I am going out on another limb.

    My "C" cores have evolved into what look more like an "O" core with a 1"
    chip out of it.

    http://flyer.thenetteam.net/3batterygen/ccorechange.jpg

    I have begun to realize that random generator coils produce all kinds
    of energy fields that could be better captured by a BUCK CONVERTER.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 03-24-2018, 01:02 PM.

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  • wantomake
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    A new perspective

    BM,
    Do you feel better now lol.

    I'm not here to call what you just said as wrong or incomplete. Just one thing I want to point out if that's ok.

    There will always be those you just rebuked as there is always light and darkness. Positive and negative. Builders and non builders. Believers and those that don't believe yet.

    Please try a different perspective here as we build this system and try to encourage others to as well. Don't pay any attention or your time to the other side. If they attack, don't respond. Don't let them pull this great project down. We are two of many here. I know as a missionary if you change one life then that one can influence five. Five can help twenty-five to change their perspective. Dave and Matthew have us two so far. I need your builders perspective here to keep this project moving. We already have protection from any attack. It's our knowledge that we know this 3BGS works. My best days lately is spent just watching my bench build run WITHOUT a single volt decrease from the battery bank.

    Dave and Matthew are a big help and will cheer us on from the sidelines as we build this system bigger to power our own doghouse, shop or home.

    Be my better perspective brother- BroMikey.
    Will try to get some work started today on the Dave Modified Generator today if I can get my butt off this couch and down to the shop. It's a balmy 29 F out right now. Woohoo !!!!!
    wantomake
    PS: I forgot to mention I connected a DC truckers heater to the positives(cause I try crazy tests) to see what 300 watt load would do to it. Guess what, no not a big explosion, but the motor/generator sped up under load!!! It did pull #3 down but it would speed up each time I connected it. Crazy is true.
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  • BroMikey
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    As I read the past thread posts I see Dave wondering where all of the
    builder are. Wanto......... has a functioning free energy device and so
    many others and yet no one wants to have one. Crazy.

    It may not be much even as the solar is used to assist the batteries to
    charge them back up to 16v once in a while. It is hard to believe that
    hardly a person wants to be on the cutting edge or a meaningful
    device that can impact the enitre world on a small scale. People like
    Luc who lie thru their Gd Dmn teeth saying they love Jesus and are
    righteous only take the back road, are the norm. If Luc wanted to prove
    the Mod Motor worked why did he stab everyone here in the back.

    Why degrade this work? Why lie about it. Lying is when you say you
    wish the best hoping the modified Motor does what it was designed to
    do then only put up a conventional motor showing it as the center piece,
    proving what we all knew in the first place that it was not a modified
    motor. Trickery.

    Then sneak around on other forums with two other creatures who do nothing
    and have never done anything for this open forum calling me and other
    filthy lying names. Disgusting dogs headed for the pits of hell with all of their
    stupidity and lies.

    People were given chances that they didn't deserve and did what they
    always do, pose as intellectual guru's with a secret desire to belittle,
    demean and challenge everyone's intregrety as if everyone else were retards
    or fools.

    I have held my peace long enough. Even people running these machines
    in private who have never offered to assist the Nubee is pathetic if you
    ask me.

    Where the hell is Luc? I'll tell you where he is. He is in the same place
    as he was when he attempted to show Thane Heins out to be a hoax.
    What people do to one person they will do to everybody else.

    The rest of you following and petting Luc like the lapdogs you are have
    been exposed as insincere while you talk big, threatening and acting as
    if they have the upper hand. Go to the devil, I am laughing.

    A smooth talking liar is the worst, generally runs in packs.

    The 3BGS starts with the Modified Motor and secondly drives a lenz
    free generator. The Lenz free portion has been partially on display
    by Thane Heins and as I said he was attacked by this same man. Isn't
    that a coincidence? I am not so blind.

    Like Turion has said, now that the ball is finally rolling down hill it will
    be impossible for these clowns to weasel out of their past ramblings
    they call higher learning.

    My generating system works just fine but how to bring it foreword?

    How do you show people a shop running for free? I am going to figure
    this out. The rest of you either put up or shut up because this train
    is going to run over the skeptics.

    This thing could be done with a vcr motor rewound with a Popsicle
    stick and two magnets on the end with hair like wire. It is not that hard.

    The system with the scooter motor size is cheap and the lenz free
    genhead can be done at low prices, there is no excuse.

    I just did several more runs, the last one was 11 hours, the point drop
    has gotten better. This was told to us, that as the batteries and the
    mod motor ran it would do something to improve itself and it does.

    The point drop started out as high as 6 points and now from 1290v
    to 12.00v the average is 4 1/2 point drop. The differential tells a big story
    this is such a cool device. A normal motor is less than half the motor
    this one is. I have run the figures bunches of times and this is a 40%
    battery usage at 40% of 725wh. It comes out the same everytime.

    A conventional motor just kills the system. Ya know like Luc's experiment.

    The years roll by.

    Think of what I am telling you. A 40% usage of 725wh battery and I ran
    the Mod Motor for 11 hrs at 20.55 watts. 226w/h taken leaving 60%
    battery life. Think of all of the losses if you understand that the
    two boosters burn up energy. 3.6amps at 12.5v = 45watt over
    11hrs = 495w/h X .1 = 49.5 watt/ hours burned up with the second
    booster running 1.5 X 13.7 = 20.55 watts X 11hrs = 226w hr
    X.1 = 22.6w hrs burned up.

    So adding 72 watts were lost in switching fees and the Mod Motor
    processed 226watt hr. That is 226whr + 72 wHr = 298 w/hr being
    a 40 percent usage.

    I guess no one gets it. I am speaking from the perspective of half the
    machine. Only the prime mover.
    A conventional scooter motor runs a 8-10 point drop per hr so
    suddenly my battery is half of what it is on the MOD MOTOR.

    Crazy cool.


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  • wantomake
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    Update

    Got some of the materials today.
    4- 3/4" x 24" x 24" plywood pieces leftover from project at mom's home
    3- 1/4" x 18" x 24" acrylic to use as top of generator and (2)spool holders
    4- brass bolts 4" long and nuts, washers
    1- 1/2" x 3' steel rod or threaded rod for rotor shaft
    1- pvc 8' pipe for bracing size not decided
    wood glue
    3 1/2" wood drill bit used to bore holes for spools
    Will be using oak wood or 1" plywood for rotor.

    Also will need larger My1020 scooter motor.
    I already have a few 3" spools with 3/4" in core center.

    Anybody is welcome to join and build with us.

    My present generator will only run the shop lights and the system even in cold temps 35 f or lower. I only use it when I'm in the shop. But when balanced low and high sides, it will not lose voltage even after sundown. During daylight hours the solar charges the system battery bank. When I turn on the 3BGS the solar is turned off because it overloads the inverter and it shuts off. It's not much but enough to meet my needs in the shop.

    That's why we trying to build Dave's modified generator to get more wattage and do more work.

    wantomake
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  • wantomake
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    Gathering parts and diagram.

    BM,
    Been gathering parts to use for the Modified Dave generator plus trying to draw up a good diagram to follow.

    But as I walked into my shop the 3BGS caught my eye. Similar feeling as one of my 8 grandchildren get close to me. I forget my thoughts and time when stopping to play and talk to them. So I spent time trying to use a buck converter in the setup. Learned something but lost time there doing that.

    I'm trying to decide the materials and size of the machine. I want to design it so coils can be interchanged at ease and positioned around the holder. The holder or support will be one end of the machine and hold the coils in place. The opposite end will do the same. I need to use same machine to test coils also. Can't afford two or three machines before getting what must be built.

    But sometimes my projects just start as piece of junk and I perfect(?) it as more is added to the overall build.

    wantomake
    PS Didn't see your just posted bahbahbah and am glad you feel better. I may just use plain iron cores to start off or the welding rods Peter Lindemann used at the Conference. I will be careful of heat buildup in coils also. I have a laser thermometer. Looks like Star Trek phaser.
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  • BroMikey
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    Yes
    That is what I have been saying in other words. Yours is not mine and
    mine it not yours so what works for you may not work for me, however
    taking this a step further some things will work for both of us.

    For instance we both use the double booster format. Now not trying to
    engage you in endless conversation Sir, I have known you long enough
    to know that it's not yer bag. So just let me talk a minute for the sake
    of others picking up on this stuff. Repeats are my speaciality or let's just
    say in loo of all of my fact blundering, I wanto..........Bee a specialitist
    when it comes to rehearsing facts.

    Repeats repeats, blah blah blah.......Party time You got to love it.

    Now let's get back on track. The latest information on coils is that I
    wound strands 175 foot long and wanto.... go up to 240, 250 per strand
    to see how it goes. Got to try it all. Once I get 2 coils the same I will stop
    winding and test.

    I am using 1500 watt microwave oven core material that could be switched
    for welding rod and compressed black sand/epoxy. That will be best to
    get the shape I want to try. However the tiny section I use out of the MOT
    3/4" by 3/4" is 1/5th the entire block, so running up to 100 watts should
    be okay on the heating. But then I am running high HZ so I really am not
    sure what it is going to do.

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  • wantomake
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    Secrets and no answers

    BM,
    There will always be secrets but no answers. You must find those answers yourself is always the old master saying to the young apprentice.

    I will be exploring this coil design more on my own to determine which is correct.

    In that movie "The Last Samurai" the kid says "too many minds" or too much thinking with too many different masters and ideas. It's best to just build and sort it out yourself, which is what I will do.

    wantomake

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  • BroMikey
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    Hello.

    The Turion design has two huge copper coils, one on each side of the
    north and south pole of a single magnet on a rotor, like Thanes beginning
    developmental that was later flux connected with a HUGE strap of
    transformer steel that span the entire distance from one side of the
    massive magnet pole to the opposite.

    Again just another design addition that evolved into a single coil instead
    of two on a "U" shaped core. The one with the most copper mass wins
    when you want a self regulating machine for a wide variety of loads that
    you may connect to it such as a Honda yard generator gets.

    Their are many more characteristics we could go pertaining to the Turion
    Genhead. The single coil on a "C" core gets hit on both ends at the same
    time and operates at a higher frequency that requires less copper if the
    RPM and Frequency are right. It would not be so self regulating like a yard
    generator needs to be.

    Both coils speed up the rotor when called upon to delivery electrical power.

    Last year Turion told the group of us speaking directly to me that his
    big 23awg coils had 24 strands. He said he has experimented with his
    coils by connecting them parallel series. One day said he came to a pattern
    he liked that put 12 strands in parallel, then the last set of 12 wires he
    connected them up in parallel, then he connected those two 12 strand
    bundles in series with each other.

    This is only good info for his build, may not work at all for you but this
    means Turion was able to reach the null point at only 240 feet and bring
    a lot of amps home. But you and I may need 500 feet to reach the null
    so if that were true we would need to put 4 sets of 6 strands in series.

    Now Thane doesn't talk like that, he says he has a motor coil and generator
    coil all on the same spool. I can only speculate that because 2 wire stick
    out on his coils how he really has them inside. It is a secret. Thane shows
    or demonstrates his stuff has a coil he passes around but he very careful
    to keep track that the coil does not get held for long or talked about.

    It is a secret, but after you posted that connection diagram study I see
    that inner and outer coils on a single spool are shown so much exploration
    in all of these areas is needed. We are going to need a team of willing
    people to see what is possible or best suited for the task.

    Now tuning and balancing just took on a lifetime of adventuring.

    Have fun coiling.
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  • wantomake
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    Originally posted by BroMikey

    Dave runs huge coils at 2500 rpm's but something is drastically missing
    here as Thanes coils appear to be 1/4 the size of Dave's. I think I
    found the answer.
    BM,
    The 32 mag wheelchair motor is indeed small rotor slots for large coils. But I noticed Thane had small coils on a "U" shaped core that looked like transformer lamination or silicon steel. The rotor had magnets on both sides that would pass north then south through the "U" core. You know this I'm sure. So I thought to try a similar idea but different orientation for magnet and coils.

    But that will be on back burner for now. I want to try the modified Dave generator first.

    wantomake

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  • wantomake
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    Plans

    To All,
    Visited Lowe's for prices of materials to start building the more advanced generator Turion just posted a book about.

    Will start with finished 3/4" plywood $16 for (1) 2 ft x 4 ft x 3/4" piece.
    (1) 7/16 " x 2 ft threaded rod for $2.88 ea. Also will use 1/2" x 2ft threaded to hold the two halfs of plywood that houses the rotor with magnets on it.
    Will use the smaller of my two mods as prime mover attached to one plywood with threaded rod coupled to it. Of course nuts, washers, etc will add to the build also.

    My rotor will be 10" to 12" in diameter with 10 magnets in drilled(shallow) holes (glued) around the perimeter of the rotor. My first rotor will be 1/2" to 3/8" thick acrylic (not sure the proper name) that will be a cutting board from Walmart $10 or so. Or I'll order from online a 12" x 12" piece. Price?. I will have a protective shield built around the rotor in case of magnet projectiles try to harm me. Learned that lesson long time ago. Also orient the machine spin to your left and right, not toward you. DUH !!!!!(That was me after being shot at by magnets not secured to high rpm rotor) Not funny....

    This is by no means the correct or safest way to build this lenzless or "use the lenz to attract/propel the magnet" generator. No. You build as you see best for you. I'm retired, using my own time, monies, studying patents, other posters builds, and facing my own failures and hardships. BUT, you must start somewhere to reach a set goal.

    Other humans on this Planet are my main purpose to exist and especially why I post here. Please be safe. I care about you.

    Not sure of the time table here and how I'll video this for youtube. My new iphone 8 really has poor video pixels for some reason.

    wantomake

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  • Turion
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    Update

    Wantomake,
    If you guys are really ready to start building Lens free generators, and I think a couple of you might be, how much have you read about generator construction and the things folks in the past have learned? Like EVERYTHING else, this has all probably been done before and was lost or suppressed. But the info is out there if you search. And if you guys read you might run across something new that I have NEVER seen before. That kind of research led me to the Tesla patent and an understanding of what it took to get a coil to speed up under load. So it's worth it.

    You are dealing with trying to saturate a core at the precise moment you want it to become saturated. The rotor magnet is attracted to the coil core to pull it in, and then suddenly the core achieves the saturation it SHOULD have gotten that created an electromagnet and repelled the APPROACHING magnet. But the magnet is already aligned with the core, so now that electromagnet pushes it away. Delayed Lenz. If you can't beat it, USE it. it really isn't "Lenz free" you just postpone the inevitable until the right time.

    How do you CONTROL when that happens? I started a thread called “Your basic Coil to discuss all the things I’ve learned and to get a group of folks turning a specific size rotor with a specific number of magnets on it at a specific rpm, and do some coil testing. But the **** birds dumped all over that thread and I don’t feel like wasting my time, so I abandoned it. But for the record, here are things you better look at if you want to be successful. So how DO you control it?
    Speed of rotor
    Number of Magnets on rotor
    You control the capacity of the coil with the correct length of wire. A HUGE single wire coil will do it.
    Multiple strands wound in parallel and connected in series per Tesla will do it with smaller coils

    Is that it? Is that the ONLY thing about your coil you can change? How about length of the core? A long core will take longer to saturate. A REALLY long core will take a REALLY long time to saturate. What are the pros? What are the cons? What is a happy medium?

    If you have all North or all South Magnets on your rotor, you can put a really weak magnet on the back end of the core and induce the wrong polarity in the iron so it takes the strong approaching magnet extra time to reverse that polarity and charge the iron. How strong a magnet? How far away? Does it even work? People have done it. Should you waste your time trying? Testing all this crap takes HUNDREDS of hours. And then people tell us we don’t know what we are talking about?!!!!
    (Ranting again. Not posting here is soooo much better for my blood pressure!)

    So think about this...how many generators have you EVER seen that run long term, and I mean constantly for days to provide power (which is what you WANT, right?) that were made with coils like we are talking about making right now? If you've seen one that was a COMMERCIAL generator, I'd love to see a picture. It is probably OLDER than I am by a ways. And that's freaking old! How many of you have ever run ANY kind of home made generator like this long term? Even one with just ONE coil running for a couple weeks or a month. (And I'm NOT talking about a Bedini machine, because YOU pulse those coils with electricity. They are NOT pure generator coils.) What happens? If you don’t know, are you REALLY ready to build a generator?
    NO generator uses these kinds of coils. NONE!! And what is the reason for that?

    I will give it to you in ONE word. HEAT. Constantly fluxing the iron core of these coils will generate enough heat to MELT the insulation off your magnet wire. And suddenly your beautiful coil that allowed the generator to speed up under load is a $37.00 (That's what each of my coils costs, and I can give you the cost breakdown) pile of worthless slag. The first time that happened and I lost 12 coils, I about cried. And then it happened again. It took two times before I figured out what the problem was and realized I couldn't run my generator for long periods of time with the coils I had. So what good was it? Which is why I built a separate coil testing machine so I can run a rotor past a single coil LONG TERM and see the results. So all of the data I have collected on iron cores goes right out the window when you begin to realize they WON'T work. Attached is a picture. It's not award winning, but it makes me cringe every time I look at the object of the photo, because I know how many hours of work that represents, and how much WASTED material. Do I know what to use? Got a pretty good idea at this point. Which brings me to the LAST variable I want to talk about which you won't get to for a while, and that is DENSITY of core material. I haven't talked about any of this before, because nobody was ready to build a generator. It impacts how quickly the material absorbs the magnetic flux. Fairly CRUCIAL to getting what you want. It also impacts OUTPUT of the generator coil. Iron is always going to give you MORE.

    Now I KNOW that Matt has worked out a FORMULA to figure out how many strands of what size wire wound in parallel, connected in series on a core of a certain diameter and length made up of a specific material with a specific density will speed up under load. I don't have that formula, and haven't really needed it. I know what works with the size coil I am using on my generator. That's the ONLY coil I need.

    I have given ALL those specifics here many, many times, so I won't do that again and bore everyone to tears. I have rambled on enough for the middle of the night. I didn't share all this before, mostly because nobody was ready to hear it. And unless you have a WORKING system that is turning your motor, you are NOT ready. But once that system is stable, when you take the output from a generator coil back to the primaries at enough voltage, suddenly the potential difference becomes higher, the motor begins to run faster, and the generator begins to turn faster, which means the col that is connected to the primary puts out more. It's a REALLY NICE LOOP to get caught up in. And iron cores work REALLY WELL for LEARNING. Because the right kind of material is pricy, and you will ruin some coils in the learning process. Better to ruin cheapER ones. NONE of them are cheap!

    Here's the funny part. MY wonderful generator run for FREE by a modified motor, producing between 1800-2000 watts of power for an input of 20 watts (inputting 400 watts but recovering all but 20 using the 3 battery system) is already outdated by the things we have learned. It isn't good enough. Not by a long shot. I would release all the info on it here, and have been really tempted, but it is still something NOBODY else has produced commercially, so worth a lot of money. And while this has NEVER been about the money for me, until I put enough away for my wife to retire, I'm going to keep a few secrets and make a few bucks. After that, who knows. Some of you have probably heard of this thing called email. If you get one some day from someone named "AnonymousRavingLoon@gmail.com" don't trash it.

    Dave
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  • wantomake
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    Not normal for SC.

    BM,
    This cold is very early for upstate SC. We usually get this cold around end of Jan. and start of Feb. Had snow already and we may get one snow a year if lucky. Unlucky. Let's not compare cold weather experiences. I was stationed for two years in upstate New York 30 miles from Canada !!!! -40 below with the wind blowing across Lake Champlain. It had to warm up to snow. Haha

    Yes I feel your pain with the the coil winding. I've been testing coils with cores or without and different number of wires- single, bifilar, trifilar, all the way up to 12 wires in parallel or worse and more difficult, the parallel series connected wound coils. And being self-taught in this electronic field, the capacitance, induction, or conduction of coils is a science all to hard to understand unless you have hands on testing.

    https://artojh.wordpress.com/2012/08...i-filar-coils/

    Above site is where I studied about multi-filar windings. I can't teach just suggest an idea or way.

    I even tried a 6 filar wire in parallel winding on a Modified Matt my1016 motor. Yes it was only a few turns per side and took 6 amps to run it. But for some reason it ran high rpm's and charged the #3 up very fast. But heat got it very quickly. But I repented and went back to exact modification specs that pulled exact .07 amps no load. And 2.3 to 2.8 amps with generator coupled to it. Motor wise I understand to winding specs now.

    The generator is a different coil and challenge. The lenzless effect is placement/number of magnets and coils. That wheel chair genny has 32 magnets around the stator, but the rotor has one less(forgot will check) or one more rotor pole that only lines up four poles at a magnet at a time. You can spin it with little effort. The complete one will produce 70 +-VDC with enough amperage to charge 10 marine battery bank at low rpm. I did that with an old Briggs and Stratton 5 hp 90% water 10% gas fumes. The neighbors called me crazy since that day. So I refitted (not a secret) the carburetor on a tiller and tilled the ground in front of my shop with gas fumes only. I got crazy looks but a lot of respect after that. Just needed proof that gas fumes will produce hp too.

    Wow a little off subject there,
    wantomake

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  • wantomake
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    Balance?

    BM,
    If you have a lenzless generator, two boosters in place, and correct size load, then there should be no decrease in battery bank voltages.

    Balancing the system according to the output of the generator. At least that's worked for me. This week I'll be adding a buck converter to get some better performance, if done correctly. It was 12° F this morning, so this freezing weather will slow things a few days.

    One thing I learned is not to depend on the battery bank power, but rather the generator and components output.

    Get a good balance to maintain a steady not decreasing battery voltage. That's the goal of this system. Operate a system inside the system.

    Use the Force Luke.......
    wantomake

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