3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

JJUK,
The basic setup from the first post remains the same. We have gone down other paths since, including using caps instead of battery three, diodes in different directions in parallel with battery three, circuits that pulse the motor, etc. I built a UFO designed motor from a razor scooter motor and got AMAZING results for a couple days...unlimited power output and charging on my primaries at the same time, but then that effect went away. So you really need to follow the directions in post #1 to get a basic setup running so you can see for yourself that this works, and then go from there. But replacing battery 3 with other things hasn't seemed to work more effectively...at least so far.

You can get all kinds of incredible things to happen with the original setup, but the minute batt #3 gets charged beyond a certain point, all those amazing effects go away. I can ALWAYS run large loads off of batt 3 for short periods of time....no longer than about 20 minutes, and then my primaries will recover from whatever point they have dropped down to...eventually reaching a full charge again and usually a bit higher than where they started. But a system that only works for 20 minutes at a time and then needs 24 hours rest is no good to anybody. They key remains a bad AGM battery in the third position and somehow keeping it from charging while it still remains in the circuit.

Look at post 1384 where I show VIDEO results from running the UFO motor or ANY pulsed motor (it turns out).
Look at post 1416 where Matt shows the circuit for pulsing a motor
Look at post 1435 where Matt is talking about the results he's getting USING that circuit and why it works and then quits working.

That will give you the most up to date info that has been posted here. BUT

all kinds of different things that people have done here have produced positive results. I would pay special attention to Matt's posts and the videos he has shared. He has had some successes. So there is a lot of really good info to be found by weeding through what has been posted here, and some combination of different things that have already been tried MAY produce a solution.

Dave

[JJUK]

Getting there...

Hi Dave,

Getting there slowly! I decided to make sure I hadn't missed anything so I've been back through all the posts on overunity.com. Just finished that and now starting on a re-read of this thread at energeticforum.com. Plenty of questions but I'll leave those until I'm ontop of all the published info as I'm sure some will be answered as I progress.

JJUK

[shylo]

Hi ,I just did some more testing with the same arrangement , and the dead battery is'nt working the same??
I think it becomes "conditioned"
It gets used to its' function, before it becomes familiar with what we are taking away from it , then it conforms
Instead of switching primairies, should be thinking about the dead bat
shylo

[Turion]

Keep it UP!!

shylo,
I've always said the "dead battery" was the key. And KEEPING it from charging.

JJUK,
Any questions I can answer, please let me know. I'd be happy to help as much as I can.

I'll be working on my setup all week, so may have some video to post later in the week.

Dave

[blackchisel97]

Hi Dave and All. I still have my setup of your original version and didn't give up on it. I've been busy lately and working on electronic healing devices but will resume shortly. This project shouldn't be abandoned.

Thanks
Vtech

[Turion]

Possibly timing is the key

All,
It has long been an idea rolling around in the back of my head that if we took the basic circuit with just two good batteries, a bad battery and a DC motor, there should be some way to pulse that motor (through the bad battery) at a pulse width short enough that it doesn't allow the bad battery to "process" the electricity it receives from the two primaries in a way that allows it to charge. Those who know a bunch about batteries should be able to tell us if that is even a realistic expectation or not. Then we give it enough of those brief pulses per second to get usable work out of the motor....like running a generator....and that is the elegant "simple" solution to the problem. And it is my belief that someone out there could figure out a way to do this, even if it meant they had to use a pulse width generator that runs on AC, because we could use the motor to run the generator to produce the AC to run the pulse width generator and loop the system.

The basic question is....can you pulse a battery with a pulse so brief that it does NOT allow the battery to use that pulse to charge, and will a pulse that brief also run a DC motor. Is there anybody out there that has the equipment to perform such a test and report back here? If this WORKS, then ANY discharged battery would work in the third position because it would give you the potential difference you need for the setup to function, and the narrow width of the pulse won't let it charge. An easy first experiment would be to get a discharged battery and set up a circuit where you could control the pulse width and see how narrow you have to go before that battery does not charge when you pulse it. If you can establish that it is possible to do this, you add the motor to the equation. Any takers? If not, I may have to see about purchasing a pulse width generator of some kind, or use my STAMP to control the circuit. I could probably figure out how to do that. LOL SInce that's basically one of the main PURPOSES of the STAMP!

Dave

[boguslaw]

Dave

Once upon a time I asked what is going on inside battery and what is flowing via wires outside. Nobody was interested, at least no expert here.
But this is the solution - understanding what is going on with battery which convert it into junk we have to recharge instead of being always ready dipole....
Basically you have to take control over the process of flatting out of battery, but since I'm not an expert I won't tell more
Sorry that I can't help much but please take attention to it...

[JJUK]

I'm afraid I don't have any of the kit required to do the pulse tests but I will continue to move towards replication as one of the batteries I have is very dead indeed and so I'd like to think that it'll allow the system to do something interesting!

[Turion]

JJUK,
As long as you have a dead battery and a DC motor you should have a really good chance of getting the thing going. Some DC batteries are so bad that they won't work, but only a few. Can't wait to see your results. Keep us posted.

[Turion]

If you haven't tried this setup yet, shame on you. If you have tried it, try pulsing your DC motor. The shorter I make my on times the better my results. Time to dig out my STAMP!!

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

Now there's an idea! A energizer feeding pulses to the dc motor. Hmmm. Or maybe I'll just file down my brushes. Fun, fun.
Randy

[Michael John Nunnerley]

using electrons twice over

Hi folks, again, this looks very similar to magnacoasters first videos.
Where he had a bedini type rotor energizer feeding radiant pulses to a dead battery i believe, then he would hook a standard inverter to his car battery and would try to run medium loads like a power drill and the inverter shut off sounds and lights would kick in.
Then when he turned on his energizer and then tried to run the loads off the inverter connected to his large dead battery, it would run the drill and many other loads.
So something similar to this setup is happening inside the battery with this setup.
I don't think the 3 batteries are needed in all setups, there is an effect here inside the battery that needs to be figured out, I bet bedini knows all about it and I bet the Watson machine used a similar principle.
peace love light
tyson

Hi Tyson and all

I thought I would shed some light on this effect, if you can call it an effect.

What is happening is you are using electrons twice over and can only be done in an ionic type transfer of conduction, such as a battery in it's chemical makeup and a low esr. A similar type of system is used by Dr. Stiffler and myself in highly efficient electrolysis, this is using the electrons twice over before they are finally lost in the circuit. Electrons can be used more than twice but that brings us into the realms of RF and resonance where the electrons are oscillating to and frow untill they finally give up and are lost.

Dr Stifflers last set of videos are using this type of effect, his electrolysis cell would be your battery 3 in this setup, and he is using the electrons twice over to charge another battery and power a led. It is also why he is producing mainly hydrogen and next to no oxygen, if you think of where the electrons are given up you will understand why.

This maybe difficult to understand for most, but for those in the art will see what is happening and it is very very significant in the art of high efficiency,

WASTE NOT AND WANT NOT, RECYCLE

Mike

[Matthew Jones]

I guess I'll have to get my scope out and make a movie... Cause no one gets it. I gotta find a camera somewhere..

The motor Steps the voltage up. About 150% of what ever the current potential difference is. IE 12 volt of difference shows 15 to 18 volt coming out of the motor Also the motor seems to add some current to the system at the point the brush engages the coil.

This hits the dead battery and FOR SOME REASON. The battery kicks out the opposite potential. IE the 18 volt that went in the dead battery come out of the Negative pole as -15 to -18 volt.
This voltage than now has a negative potential, more charge, and can charge the primaries. This process take a bit time and when you look at it you rarely have both positive and negative potential on the Battery at the same time. It loads up one side and then dumps the other side.. More on that in second.

You can watch this happen. You watch the current flow all the way around the system. And you can clearly see all the changing potentials.

So inevitably we should be able to put a load (Inverter) on Battery 3 and do more work while stile maintaining or charging the primary battery. That was Davids original experience anyway.

This becomes possible when you start to look at battery 3 behavior. Now we get to point when you either have 0 volt (-pole) and 15 volt (+pole) that then will shift to -15 (-pole) and 0 volt (+pole). Does the caps in the inverter care? No. the cap just charges based on the potential difference.

But as the caps charge they force new polarity onto the existing energy and the transformer runs the voltage up. So now you have this situation that no matter where the Cap gets the power from, the system runs it through, get the work done and deposits the low voltage end of it back onto the opposite pole which at any given time could be exactly where that power needs to go to be retained.
Mind you this part is theory I have not been able to witness it happening. But I have set up the very same thing in a Tesla Switch several times.

I wish people who have the ability to look would look at this with a scope, and note the behavior I have listed. Its very easy to see with few small modification to the system. If the entire thing were witnessed then maybe we could figure away around the dead battery. Or not.

Matt

[Turion]

Matt,
That's one of the reasons the modified UFO motor worked so well when it was working correctly. Not only did it step up the voltage, but the other set of brushes picked up the generated current that was produced by the motor between pulses and also sent it out. It was only about 6 volts, but when you are putting in 12, the motor is kicking it up to 15 or 18, and you get 6 more generated, you get the work of the motor for free and the primaries charge.

One of the things I noticed from my own video was that when I did the first two tests with the UFO motor, I put the motor under LOAD by tightening on the cabe tensioner. When I did that, the primaries charged. When I did the next few runs, I forgot about doing that, and it didn't work, so I assumed the effect had gone away as it has so many times in the past. It HADN'T. Twice since then I have put loads on the motor, and both times it worked. I was messing with this AGAIN last Friday and put a load on the motor, the primaries charged again, so having a load on the motor is important for some reason and I FORGOT this.

If you look down in about the 6th paragraph of my first post on this thread i state in CAPITAL LETTERS...."YOU NEED A LOAD ON THE MOTR FOR THIS TO WORK." And I keep running tests without a load on the motor and expecting the primaries to charge. They won't. I don't know WHY, but I do know that in my original experiment I needed that load on the motor and if you look at the videos from post #1384 on page 47, when I PUT the load on the motor, the primaries charged.

I think we are really close. I have been able to get the primaries to charge with the UFO modified motor every time I have run it now with a LOAD on the motor. I will be playing with it again today and will do another video. Of course, that assumes it will charge the primaries when I do it THIS time. With this thing I never know what to expect. And with my original setup, as long as I kept a load on the motor and had the inverter connected to battery three and was running loads, that battery did NOT charge up. The things I keep forgetting to do are to make sure there is a load on the motor, and make SURE you are running something on battery three so it can't charge up. If it won't run the inverter, hook up some 12 volt lights....just KEEP it from charging. I was able to do that for two weeks with my original setup before I took it apart and put it back together. And there is a pretty good chance it didn't work at THAT point because I forgot that pesky load on the motor. Of THAT I am almost positive because I have a pretty clear picture of the setup I was running, and there is definitely NO LOAD on the motor. I need to follow my own dang directions!!

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Putting a load on the motor both adds to the Generated energy and the Boost portion of the motors output.

Matt