3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

No!!!

I am busy building the thing. "Good Battery" = GB

Matt

[Turion]

Matt,
Can't wait to see how that turns out. I'm stuck in bed, can't walk, in pain, and of no use to anyone. LOL. That's ok, I have an endless supply of self pity. I wasn't looking forward to soldering that H11d1 anyway. Those things are so dang small that making connections is always a big pain in the butt!! I have to get out my big document clips, screw them down to a board, and use them to hold the little buggers while I solder. I have tried using a circuit board but I always mess them up. Guess I'll just have to get to an electronics store tomorrow and get some more boards, PLUS a smaller soldering iron. Mine is too bulky and I am too clumsy. So I'm laying here checking in every five minutes to see if anyone ELSE has attempted to replicate your setup and to see what results you're getting. Can't wait to find out.

Dave

[citfta]

Hi Dave,

I already have the pulsing circuit which I shared a few pages back. I am looking for a transformer that would work good with this. Very sorry to hear you are not able to participate right now. Wouldn't it be a shame if this circuit of Matt's turns out to be just what we are looking for and you didn't get to try it until after we find out it works great. Of course if it did turn out to be what we needed I guess you would get over it wouldn't you.

@ Matt, That looks like it might be a real interesting circuit to try. I hope to be able to try it later this evening if I can find the right transformer. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Later,

Carroll

[shylo]

testing

In all the tests I've done ,I always lose on the primaries....If I let it run long enough.
If you run it for a short period of time, the P's seem to hold ,even gain a little in charge.
What makes the P's hold their charge or even increase???

Does it have to do with the collasping field,in the wire itself??...just a thought.

I use diodes to interupt the coil.

I think the brushes in the dc motors are kind of doing the same thing.

I have a magnet rotor attached to my radiator fan (which is my motor according to the schematic)

I charge caps and then pulse them into my primaries.

Does anybody have any suggestions at which capacitance and voltage to pulse the batteries with??

Just regular car batteries..definately something happening here....

Thanks shylo

[Turion]

Hi guys,

I have finally gotten some time to work on this again. I have gotten a mosfet switching circuit to work on this. I have the motor connected the same as we have been doing and the mosfets connected across batt 3 to vary the current through the motor. It works very well with my little radio shack motor. It also will control my scooter motor although it will get pretty warm depending on the duty cycle. I have attached a schematic of the mosfet circuit. Thanks to Vissie for allowing me to modify his circuit and share it with the rest of you.

While I was working on this I had a scope connected to my 2 good batts to look at the spikes coming back to them. I discovered something that seems pretty strange. I only had the motor connected with the mosfet circuit as a load on batt 3. I have a switch in line between the motor and batt 1 positive. When I turn that switch off I still get spikes back to the good batts until the motor comes to a stop. There shouldn't be any way for the spikes to get back to the batts because the circuit is open. I checked this several times and they were always there until the motor stopped. I am using shielded scope leads so I don't think they were picking up the spikes and especially since the ground lead was still connected to - connection on the battery. Strange?

Carroll

citfta,
I haven't forgotten about your circuit, or about what you said about the spikes hitting the primaries AFTER the circuit was turned off until the motor stopped running, even though there was an open circuit. It's one of those things I have circled in red in my notes! LOL I haven't replicated your circuit, mostly because I couldn't make out the part numbers an things on it, and when I blew up the picture you posted, it was too fuzzy to read. I have to look at those things 50 times before I can figure out how to build them, because electronics is definitely NOT my strength! Neither is spelling! So I kinda blew it off, figuring if it worked out for you THEN I'd give it a shot. Wrong attitude, I know!

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Dave,

I already have the pulsing circuit which I shared a few pages back. I am looking for a transformer that would work good with this. Very sorry to hear you are not able to participate right now. Wouldn't it be a shame if this circuit of Matt's turns out to be just what we are looking for and you didn't get to try it until after we find out it works great. Of course if it did turn out to be what we needed I guess you would get over it wouldn't you.

@ Matt, That looks like it might be a real interesting circuit to try. I hope to be able to try it later this evening if I can find the right transformer. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Later,

Carroll

I'll post the movie before the night is over. It works like champ, but I have to make a few changes to the schematic. But before I do I have to find a change for the P Channel driver.
The Pchannel stays real cool unlike the N channel. But right now I am not turning it off hard enough so the part count isn't much different then the Nchannel

Also I will be posting a bit more on my forum for us Carroll. I have a transformer I can send you later this week.

Your gonna want to build this.

Carroll you already have a good idea about how this works. Just think better.

Its big!

Matt

ps Its also the first chace we have had to get rid of the dead batteries.

[Turion]

OK, nowI'll NEVER get to sleep tonight! LOL. I have boxes of old transformers and I have the ones I bought for your Tesla setups Matt, including the big one I rewound. That BIG one should be in the right range for this I would think, if I remember the relationship of the winds correctly. I'll have to go back and check the notes on that, which I'm sure are on my older computer.

Matt,
I'm sure glad you got this thing working, and I'm REALLY glad to be able to get rid of the bad batteries. And when you say "We Got it" my heart almost stops! LOL. Here we go!!!

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Well we might be able to get rid of them. We'll see.

I am still waiting for the video. this is the link any way

70 more minutes

Modified 3bgs - YouTube

I live in the fricken 3rd world. What am I saying they have better internet.

Matt

[blackchisel97]

I spent large part of the day running my setup with loaded converter. I had to initially connect another bulb to prevent converter from turning off. I made simple friction block to load the motor. I got it once in balance and lost after a while. It wasn't bad run after all but I didn't gain much. However, counting inverter, 5W bulb and virtually running motor for free
My water filled battery worked well but I need to drain each time in order to start. Despite no acid in it it holds over 10V after few hrs run and it takes couple hrs to discharge with 5W/12V bulb.
I'm anxious to see your video Matt. I don't know schematics but I should have everything needed to build except the transformer. Is it off the shelf or you made it?

Cheers
Vtech

[LutherG]

Sheer Genius...

No. This is not like a motor as motor cannot inductively pass current to second set of winding.



Look here's what happens.
I pull 24v+- from the primary in pulse for given time.
It goes through the transformer, induces current on the secondaries, then deposits into A2. Then it is abruptly shut off.
Now the secondary windings takes the initial pulse and sends it to the multiplier, and back into the transformers primaries to replicate and deposit in A2. 2x for 1 pulse.
But we also have that spike that showed up when we first turned the thing off. So now we are up to 3x.

So now start looking at it running say a 30 percent duty cycle. Kinda like spinning a flywheel.

Then you got the induced current on the wing batteries. And what ever type of back EMF shows up and gets replicated accross the transformer.

You follow me?

Matt

I follow you Matt! This circuit is sheer genius! You create a wall avalance that falls back to the 24v stack and the surplus feeds the inverter. This also keeps the 24v stack topped up at every iteration...

Really awesome! I can hardly wait to get this built!

Thanks so much for sharing this circuit Matt,

Cheers,

Luther

[Matthew Jones]

I'm anxious to see your video Matt. I don't know schematics but I should have everything needed to build except the transformer. Is it off the shelf or you made it?
Cheers
Vtech

The video is up. Enjoy.

The transformer is hand wound. I used one I burnt up on another experiment. I describe it in the video.

I think before its all done with, I will use caps instead of a dead battery. I can control the available voltage on the caps by the rate of switching.
I have got a few more tricks also to put the power back and if I get real digital about it I can do it in a way that makes sure you get the full brunt of the power before you lose it. Run it all around circles until entropy hits home.
I'll think about it this week a little more.

@Mbrownn, regarding your PM.
A motor by default is not capable of a transformer action, period.
You have to modify it to do anything close. Current and magnetic fields are not the same thing. Also motors are incapable of an AC current to voltage 90 deg offset which in itself will allow transients to do work immediately by allowing the current in them to be turned into forward time.
When I tell you motor is not capable of this action is not because I do not have the basic understanding of the motor versus transformer issues, Its because I know what I am talking about. I have very in depth experience with both.
Your PM should have been a HOW question and not a statement arguing a position to inform me not to misinform other people. If you have argument and proof other wise make it available. Proofs in the pudding.

@Luther
Your spot on.

@ Everyone else.
If this circuit above your head don't feel the need to run out and build it. Just give it time and most of the people here can help. Keep going with the other ideas. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Matt

[Turion]

Matt,
I had a feeling weeks ago that with all the work you've done with transformers and the Tesla switch, that we would see a version of this that included a transformer sooner or later, and that is kinda what I was hoping for. Looks like we are getting closer every day! Can't wait to get this built.

Dave

[blackchisel97]

Matt, this is very nice I like the idea of using a cap instead of "dead" battery. It should work.
I'll try to get this done on other IC. My both PIC's are "busy" and I don't have stamp chip (never worked with it before).

Thanks for sharing this

Cheers
Vtech

[mbrownn]

@Mbrownn, regarding your PM.
A motor by default is not capable of a transformer action, period.
You have to modify it to do anything close. Current and magnetic fields are not the same thing. Also motors are incapable of an AC current to voltage 90 deg offset which in itself will allow transients to do work immediately by allowing the current in them to be turned into forward time.
When I tell you motor is not capable of this action is not because I do not have the basic understanding of the motor versus transformer issues, Its because I know what I am talking about. I have very in depth experience with both.
Your PM should have been a HOW question and not a statement arguing a position to inform me not to misinform other people. If you have argument and proof other wise make it available. Proofs in the pudding.

Matt

I apologize if I offended you and I didn't want to debate about it on the thread but I will ask the questions.

What is the action going on between the rotor and stator in an induction motor?

What is the action going on between the coils in the different configurations of a universal motor?

Can you send me a link so that I may educate myself, clearly it is a complex subject and a few pointers in the right direction would help.

No offense intended and it was never my intention to argue , Its just that I have been led to believe there are such actions going on in motors, some of which are good and some bad. The truth is a persons intent is not always clear in the written word and I would never accuse you of misinforming people.

[Matthew Jones]

Matt, this is very nice I like the idea of using a cap instead of "dead" battery. It should work.
I'll try to get this done on other IC. My both PIC's are "busy" and I don't have stamp chip (never worked with it before).
Thanks for sharing this
Cheers
Vtech

I use Propeller but it doesn't matter what you use its a real simple any variety of duty cycle at any speed. You'll find funny things happening at different speeds. Big thing is use an iron transformer.

What is the action going on between the rotor and stator in an induction motor?

What is the action going on between the coils in the different configurations of a universal motor?

A regular motor IE which is what I was referring to is OPEN reaction between 2 fields to drive the motor. A transformer is closed.
I do not know what a universal motor is but it's not the little scooter motor.

More than likely if its turning a rotor its not as efficient in transferring energy as transformer.

The big thing here is I am just trying to get this thing running and try to simulate the effect as outlined with whatever looks like it will work.

And if you do not have a working MODEL of whatever it is you want to advocate then your opinions are fine but don't PM me with them. Like I care.

I do the work then I form an opinion. Not the other way around.

Matt