3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

blackchisel97,
Glad you are having fun and getting positive results!

Clueless,
I ordered an inverter like yours also, so Luther and I will both try to replicate the results you are getting. If success is as simple as having the right inverter, we will all be happy! I wish I had the answers to your questions, but maybe Carroll or Matt, or Luther can help you out.

Of course I won't get a chance to replicate your setup or Matt's for a few days. I'm leaving at 5:00AM for a four day camping trip.

I have no idea if I will get cell reception there or not, but I am charging the battery case for my i-phone. I haven't been using my new case since my old one exploded into flames while I was holding it in my hand, talking on the phone! Can everyone say "Lawsuit?" I've been afraid to carry it around in my pocket for fear my man parts might go up in flames, but I want to be able to access the forum and see what you guys are up to! And I know my phone battery won't last four days!! The things we are willing to sacrifice for free energy!

Anyway, hope you get it all figured out while I am gone! Take care!

Dave

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Thanks for sharing clueless!! Your model does'nt have an automatic shutoff system if your battery voltage is too low with a big load on it. It was discontinued for that reason. I think we just need to find out how to modify our electronic inverters to do the same. I hope its not just a misunderstanding of the meters working with radiant (static).

[LutherG]

blackchisel97,
Glad you are having fun and getting positive results!

Clueless,
I ordered an inverter like yours also, so Luther and I will both try to replicate the results you are getting. If success is as simple as having the right inverter, we will all be happy! I wish I had the answers to your questions, but maybe Carroll or Matt, or Luther can help you out.

Of course I won't get a chance to replicate your setup or Matt's for a few days. I'm leaving at 5:00AM for a four day camping trip.

I have no idea if I will get cell reception there or not, but I am charging the battery case for my i-phone. I haven't been using my new case since my old one exploded into flames while I was holding it in my hand, talking on the phone! Can everyone say "Lawsuit?" I've been afraid to carry it around in my pocket for fear my man parts might go up in flames, but I want to be able to access the forum and see what you guys are up to! And I know my phone battery won't last four days!! The things we are willing to sacrifice for free energy!

Anyway, hope you get it all figured out while I am gone! Take care!

Dave

Clueless, this is what I had PM'd you about - to make sure David and I were looking at the right model... We've both ordered them so now we're waiting for them to get here...

Regards,

Luther

[clueless]

I wish I had put a light

on that odd battery. I didn't know that model had been discontinued. Actually come to think about it I know very little about it.

Thanks for sharing clueless!! Your model does'nt have an automatic shutoff system if your battery voltage is too low with a big load on it. It was discontinued for that reason. I think we just need to find out how to modify our electronic inverters to do the same. I hope its not just a misunderstanding of the meters working with radiant (static).

[clueless]

might be the sleep in my eyes

or that is not enough light this morning but I did a quick run to verify yesterday's results this time with a light on the odd battery. All voltages were in the range you'd expect,12-13 volt range. Now for the odd part, after disconnecting the motor and generator all the batteries showed 24 volts. I don't know what to think now.
The odd battery does now have moisture around the terminals where it was dry before. I do have another dead battery I'll try later.
Okay, went out to check again and I think I may have solved this mystery, my friend who was up last friday used one of meters to check the AC voltage out of the inverter, he didn't reset it to DC and I didn't recheck it yesterday. Lesson learned.
I imagine I used that one to check the voltages, and I can't seem to get it work now on DC. Probably burned that one up. The only thing is that the motors did seem to run faster and smoother yesterday and I can't imagine I used that same meter on all the batteries. Right now I am in limbo and I am extremely sorry if I gave any of you a bum steer.
On the other hand the 4th bat did charge some and ran a 12 volt bulb.
-rg

[Turion]

Clueless,
Use that same meter (the one you had accidentally set on AC, set on AC AGAIN) to check the voltages and see what you get today. Then check those SAME voltages with a different meter set correctly to DC. That may clear it up.

Dave

[LutherG]

No worries

or that is not enough light this morning but I did a quick run to verify yesterday's results this time with a light on the odd battery. All voltages were in the range you'd expect,12-13 volt range. Now for the odd part, after disconnecting the motor and generator all the batteries showed 24 volts. I don't know what to think now.
The odd battery does now have moisture around the terminals where it was dry before. I do have another dead battery I'll try later.
Okay, went out to check again and I think I may have solved this mystery, my friend who was up last friday used one of meters to check the AC voltage out of the inverter, he didn't reset it to DC and I didn't recheck it yesterday. Lesson learned.
I imagine I used that one to check the voltages, and I can't seem to get it work now on DC. Probably burned that one up. The only thing is that the motors did seem to run faster and smoother yesterday and I can't imagine I used that same meter on all the batteries. Right now I am in limbo and I am extremely sorry if I gave any of you a bum steer.
On the other hand the 4th bat did charge some and ran a 12 volt bulb.
-rg

Hello Clueless,

No worries if there is something going on with the meter readings... I needed a bigger inverter anyway... Its all good - we'll get this system sorted out soon.

Cheers,

Luther

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for sharing clueless!! Your model does'nt have an automatic shutoff system if your battery voltage is too low with a big load on it. It was discontinued for that reason. I think we just need to find out how to modify our electronic inverters to do the same. I hope its not just a misunderstanding of the meters working with radiant (static).

Or maybe come up with our own
I found same model on the net but it looks a bit different than described earlier.
This is nice discovery
Just got home with 8 more batteries. Unfortunately, not deep cycle but one good candidate for A2. I have it running for the past 2hrs and fairly stable but the freq. is much, much higher than Matt was running. I put two caps (and recovery diodes) since I don't have any dead wing batt's.
I'll keep an eye on it and try to tune better. This isn't easy.



Cheers
Vtech

[ewizard]

Hello again clueless,

I understand there's something different about your inverter too? You may have posted about this and I've missed it but would you please also list the make/model of it too?

Many thanks!

Luther

Tripp Lite makes heavy duty UPS's and inverters and have for a long while. I see a couple used ones on fleaBay right now. I've got an old Tripp lite UPS and it's built solid. I'm having a hard time imagining how this would be part of the magic but I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from trying. Maybe some sort of combination of parts that sets up a resonance on the input more easily than others?

[blackchisel97]

I had a few hrs run today, scoped across GB,P1, FET etc.Yes, there are spikes but for some reason I can't get enough from secondary winding With 20W load I have double of what I get with 5W but there seems to be a limit. When I increase the load my secondary output drops.
I was running this since 11am and I lost quite a bit. A2 is desperate to fix itself and I have to drain completely after each run. I reduced freq. down, under 10kHz.
I'm driving P-Fet with 50% square.
Something isn't right.

Vtech

[blackchisel97]

I changed back to N Fet and disconnected voltage multiplier since I couldn't tell much difference with and without it.
I measured secondary before adding a bridge and (if I can trust my meter) I get up to 67V, depending on switching frequency.
The battery I used before began to hold too much and my next one isn't "dead enough". I put some iron shavings into it and hope to fix this problem.
I was running few times yesterday but couldn't sustain GB & P1.
Is it possible that I have too many windings on secondary? I didn't want to cut the wire from original coil and left 2 x 100T (approx.) which is more than double what Matt was showing.
I'm puzzled for now but need to recharge good batteries anyhow.

Vtech

[blackchisel97]

OK, it looks like first good run in 2 days. I let it run for 1hr.
Freq. 1,997Hz (2kHz) measured across secondary winding.
20W load - car bulb.

GB 12.59V, P1 12.56V resting
GB 12.42V, P1 12.40V during 1 hr run. Across A2 with 20W load - 12.3V
Recovered to:
GB 12.60V, P1 12.58 after 1hr rest.

No diodes or capacitors, just a basic circuit. N Fet pulsed with square @ 50% duty cycle.

Vtech

[clueless]

I'm so sorry if I misled with my innacurate voltage readings.

I'm a bit of a manic/depressive and after thursday's run I was sky high enough to get very little sleep that night. Friday's results that indicated a wrong setting on my meter and the inability to replicate threw me for a loop. After the hysteria of thursday came the backlash and sleeping around the clock on friday.
I'm also a football enthusiast and watched the draft to switch to something less stressful.
I spent the time in between analyzing what I could have done better. I need better wiring, conections, and professionalism. That is while my friend left the voltage on AC (while checking the inverter) it was my responsibility to care for my tools. Bodyshop 101!
Again I apologize to anyone whom I misled.
While I might be working from my porch in the weather that is no excuse for sloppy procedures.
I can't say for certain now either way those readings I got on thursday are accurate. I honestly can't believe I used the same meter on all 4 batteries but I can't say that I didn't either.
I will on my next test use a different battery but only until I have better connections and schematic in place.
Thanks to everyone for all your enthuasism for this project and I hope I didn't damper that.
I believe from what I've seen that the motors can be run with little to no draw on the primaries with the A able to run loads and a genny (from the 2nd motor charge another battery (bank) for at least a small scale power source.
-rg

[citfta]

Don't beat your self up over it!

Hey clueless,

Don't worry about it so much. We have all done the same thing at one time or another. I have 50 years experience in electronics and I still forget to change the meter from AC to DC or vice versa. The only difference is I know what to check when things look funny. Now you have learned something so don't consider it a complete loss. We all have days when we think we finally have it and then the next day realize we forgot something or we did something wrong. I thought the other day one of my batteries was showing some strange very quick recovery from the run I finished. Then I remembered that I had just charged it the night before because it was getting very low and I had forgotten to write down the charge state before starting the new run and was going by the figure I had written down before I charged it! So take care and don't get discouraged by a bad day or few mistakes. They really do come to all of us.

Carroll

[blackchisel97]

I'm a bit of a manic/depressive and after thursday's run I was sky high enough to get very little sleep that night. Friday's results that indicated a wrong setting on my meter and the inability to replicate threw me for a loop. After the hysteria of thursday came the backlash and sleeping around the clock on friday.
I'm also a football enthusiast and watched the draft to switch to something less stressful.
I spent the time in between analyzing what I could have done better. I need better wiring, connections, and professionalism. That is while my friend left the voltage on AC (while checking the inverter) it was my responsibility to care for my tools. Bodyshop 101!
Again I apologize to anyone whom I misled.
While I might be working from my porch in the weather that is no excuse for sloppy procedures.
I can't say for certain now either way those readings I got on thursday are accurate. I honestly can't believe I used the same meter on all 4 batteries but I can't say that I didn't either.
I will on my next test use a different battery but only until I have better connections and schematic in place.
Thanks to everyone for all your enthusiasm for this project and I hope I didn't damper that.
I believe from what I've seen that the motors can be run with little to no draw on the primaries with the A able to run loads and a genny (from the 2nd motor charge another battery (bank) for at least a small scale power source.
-rg

Don't worry, we all learn from mistakes. I doubt you could use same meter and believe you have discovered something important. I found converter on eBay and it fits your description; fins, 17lb etc. but they quote shipping to Canada about $100 but for US only $25
After two days of failures I discovered wrong connection in my setup. I couldn't believe I could done it Now, when I can hear transformer singing I realized that this sound was missing until today. I simply mislabeled start and end of one through winding.

Just finished second run, this time 1.5hr and converter with 13W bulb as a load. GB and P1 were sitting at 12.41V - 12.40V and 12.37V - 12.35V.
A2 sits at 11.7V despite having few nails inside.
After 30min GB and P1 are 12.60V and 12.56V.
This time I was running at 2.55 kHz.
It looks good to me. I was going to try heavier load but my batteries aren't deep cycle and I don't want to drag them down too low.
Is anybody else beside Matt working on this variant?

Cheers
Vtech