3 Battery Generating System

[ehsanco1062]

Hi mbrownn

Thank you for your notice.
That's the only motor I can find right now but I am still looking for another motor or maybe two if I am lucky and this setup was just to show that capacitor can be used instead of the bad battery and I will try to connect different resistors in series with the caps and see how that will effect the result.

Ehsan

[mbrownn]

Hi mbrownn

Thank you for your notice.
That's the only motor I can find right now but I am still looking for another motor or maybe two if I am lucky and this setup was just to show that capacitor can be used instead of the bad battery and I will try to connect different resistors in series with the caps and see how that will effect the result.

Ehsan

The size of motor fitted to your drill would be a little big for the batteries you are using, I would think. When choosing a motor for your setup I would choose one with three windings as they give a strong backspike for their size and I believe it is the backspike that is key to this circuits success.

All I am going on is theory as I have not done much testing with this system myself although I did notice the effect for a time when I tested it. People with more experience may have something better to add.

[LutherG]

Couldn't upload photos

Hi Luther

I did see your experiment very promising but I don’t know why use pulley as a load on the motor instead of another DC motor connected throw the belt maybe you are just like me couldn’t find DC motor ,
I hope you will make this system done and work soon and I will be even happier than anybody else if this system works as we all hope.

Good luck

Ehsan

Thanks Ehsan,

I'm working on a couple of larger versions of this system... I tried to upload photos but it didn't work... sorry about that... I tried using "insert image" but the photos didn't upload...

Cheers,

Luther

[ehsanco1062]

Thanks Ehsan,

I'm working on a couple of larger versions of this system... I tried to upload photos but it didn't work... sorry about that... I tried using "insert image" but the photos didn't upload...

Cheers,

Luther

Hi Luther

You can use this web site to upload your photo there and then after upload the photo you can copy the link that is below the photo you upload and paste it inside your post that’s it

good luck with your large version

Ehsan

[ewizard]

LutherG, When replying you need to be in advanced mode (not quick reply) and you'll see well down the page below the reply box a "Manage Attatchments" button. Click that and the rest should be easy.

[ehsanco1062]

2 Battery &cap generating system using small motor

Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
Here is a short video

2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


Ehsan

[Matthew Jones]

Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
Here is a short video

2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


Ehsan

Do you have a switch in that setup? I didn't see a serial switch in the movie.

Matt

[mbrownn]

Hi all

I have found a small motor and so I remove my drill motor and hook up this small motor , I tried different resistors in series with the motor and I find the only one that work and put balance to the setup is 0.33ohm 20w and i tried 5w resistors they heat up and one of them get smoked.
Here is a short video

2 Battery with caps using small motor - YouTube


Ehsan

0.33 ohms is probably a similar resistance to a good battery, I would expect a much higher impedance on a bad battery.

I would choose a resistor and load that would allow the cap to rise to 18v or more. This is only a guess but I would choose a load that causes a drain of less than 1/20th of the amp hour rating of the source. This way we are keeping the load on the source battery in the batteries optimum range.

With a motor you may find that the spikes are higher at one side of the motor than the other so you need to connect the polarity of the motor in a way that the higher spikes are at the good battery side. Without a scope your only method of doing this is to watch the voltage of the source batteries. Watch for the rise in voltage of the source batteries above standing voltage and connect the motor in a way that gives the largest rise.

In a normal circuit that has a moderate to low drain you see a small rise in voltage followed by a drop. I would expect the same on this circuit but I think we are aiming for a drop of less than the initial rise or at least not much more than the initial rise.

Does this make sense to you? comments please everyone

[mbrownn]

It looks like your source batteries are 12v 7Ah so if we divide 7 by 20 we get 350mA. I would consider this the maximum load current on the source.

If our standing voltage is 25v and we divide that by 350mA this will give us a capacitor resistance of 71.4 ohms but we will get a rise in voltage so I would choose 80 ohms as the resistance in series with the capacitor as a starting point.

If we achieve 18 volts in the cap we could have 18 x 350mA = 6.3 watts. I would consider this the maximum load power but the source battery is actually supplying a little over 6v at 350mA so maybe our load needs to be around 2.1w, only testing will tell us which is correct.

This voltage and current must cause the motor to run.

[LutherG]

LutherG, When replying you need to be in advanced mode (not quick reply) and you'll see well down the page below the reply box a "Manage Attatchments" button. Click that and the rest should be easy.

Thanks for the assistance. I've rearranged my battery banks and am in the process of charging them now. It takes forever to charge 225Ah batteries! ha! I'm doing it at the C20 rate and then bumping up the current at the end of charge to push them all the way up...

I'll post something more once I have a bigger setup actually running... but it'll be awhile as I'm not going to rush this process...

Here's a couple of pix for the moment...

Cheers,

Luther

[Matthew Jones]

None of it is going to work with a capacitor (A2) unless you have switching. All the bulb is doing is allowing the cap to empty for potential to flow. You might as well put the load on the battery and burn the power.
The switching allows the motor to kick back to the primary and the cap with the BEMF and allows you to take advantage of it.
The wings (A1, A3) have induced charge that will go back to the battery because of the serial configuration with A2. This allows for more recovery from the primaries.
But the switching is the key. You have to have off time and generated power for everything to work.
As far as the spikes coming from the battery as long as you have the positive lead of the motor towards the battery the VERY LITTLE spikes will go in the correct direction, unless the motor is unidirection (Push Or Pull not both) which I doubt.

Matt

[Turion]

....which is one of the reasons Matt posted the circuit to be used with a STAMP. We have tried using caps and know what the problems are with that configuration. By using a STAMP you can control the duty cycle.

Dave

[penno64]

Hey guys,

Watch Mopozco's latest --

adams' motor - "electromagnetic turbine" - YouTube

Do you see the similarities ?


Penno

[ehsanco1062]

It looks like your source batteries are 12v 7Ah so if we divide 7 by 20 we get 350mA. I would consider this the maximum load current on the source.

If our standing voltage is 25v and we divide that by 350mA this will give us a capacitor resistance of 71.4 ohms but we will get a rise in voltage so I would choose 80 ohms as the resistance in series with the capacitor as a starting point.

If we achieve 18 volts in the cap we could have 18 x 350mA = 6.3 watts. I would consider this the maximum load power but the source battery is actually supplying a little over 6v at 350mA so maybe our load needs to be around 2.1w, only testing will tell us which is correct.

This voltage and current must cause the motor to run.

Hi mbrownn

A lot of work has to done.
Thanks for the information. I will try to play with different loads and see what is the different.

[ehsanco1062]

Do you have a switch in that setup? I didn't see a serial switch in the movie.

Matt

Hi Matt

No I didn’t use a switch in this video or the other videos because when I use the switch the voltage across the motor will increase to 22v when I use the small motor and to 17.2 with the drill motor and the voltage across the cap was 2.3v with the small motor and 6.06 with the drill motor and I don’t have 1ohm 100watt resistor but i have 1ohm 5w resister which was very hot to touch when running the the motor for 1min and i think the main problem is that i need another motor to as a generator and to load the motor and reduce its speed to increase the voltage across the cap so the bulb will bright normally when the voltage across the cap above 12v .
That’s how I think I might be wrong.

Ehsan