3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

If you look at post number one....when I had my original setup... when the switch was thrown the voltage on battery three would jump to 24 volts. It would go down slowly to about 18 volts and then the motor would start. It would continue to go down to around 9 volts at which time the motor would shut off and it would sit there for a while. Then suddenly the voltage on battery 3 would jump up to 24 volts and the process would repeat. THAT is what it takes to have the magic battery. That is the test. This was with NO LOADS on anything. Battery three was charging up, but could NOT hold the charge.

If you look at the three videos I posted a short time back and look at video number one. I stop the setup from running and measure the voltage on battery three, which had been DEAD. It reads 11. something volts, and as I leave the meter on it for a few seconds you can SEE the charge in the battery dropping fairly rapidly. This is what we want. So lets kill some AGM's.

Dave

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Dave...

After letting my battery #3 set for the last couple days while I was working on some other projects, the magic is back. It took some adjusting of the timing and disconnecting two of the coils on the armature, but I got the motor to run and the voltage in the secondaries to go up. I immediately shut everything down and will wait a couple days before starting it up and then make a video. This tells me that pulsing the motor is important to success as well as the AGM battery. I am trying to tighten everything up as far as the possible adjustments go, so it can't get out of its current configuration. Then we will see what happens.

Hello Dave,

Well I am glad you've got the system running again..."with the magic" of course...
Now, You wrote you've disconnected Two of the Coils in the Motor...meaning one Pair?...or you meant Two Pairs?
In either case what you are doing is creating a longer "Time Off" or "brake" per each Revolution...considering that (if it my design) you are getting a pulsed DC during the whole revolution of the other 15 Pairs, however their "Time Off" between them is not as wide as the range the "Non Connected Pair" is granting...

By taking the RPM's the motor is running when "The Magic" is happening...you could calculate the Kind of Square Wave you are generating there...or if you could read it in an Oscilloscope it will render it perfectly well defined...and that , my friend...maybe the KEY...to the Magic...


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A Sequence is given by the continuous rotation of the other 15 pairs, interrupted (Time Off) of not connected coil(s)...it will look something like that...
However your Commutator is 16 Elements, but you have two set of brushes for Motor (Input) at 180 degrees apart, dividing the 360 (one revolution) therefore, Time will be divided in two per revolution.Meaning every 7.5 elements you get the Off Time X 2... or approximately twice per revolution.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Duncan]

a shot in the dark?

Hi Dave & all (Thanks for the email the other day by the way) I'm glad to see you have your original set up running again perhaps a bit of rhyme and reason might present itself and everything will become replicable .. and if that happened David the World power system would alter almost immediately, Its certainly one hell of a goal to aim for! Anyway as you know I watch this thread with interest and just occasionally have a friendly ramble, which might strike a cord with some one and prompt a lucky discovery, I think Its a fair guess to say some thing is in “Resonance” in your system in fact time and time again the word “tune” appears in the narrative but tune to what? There are actually two resonances in electrical theory only one of which is taught and admitted and which we have all the maths and calculations for, and one that’s deeply buried. I think its a very safe bet that your system is working on this hidden resonance. Take your commutator motor It is if nothing else a very fast switch It seems to me that all COP>1 have a fast switch in one form or another all be it in the form of a spark gap or hard on hard off electronic switch. Consider this circuit it has much in common with your original battery circuit except the sparking armature is replaced with vibrating contacts.

The battery is connected externally as is the load .. this things original job was to run US army 24 volt radio equipment from a 12 volt battery and it physically looks like this -
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...2/img20851.jpg

yeah yeah so what ? Well its been noted that under certain “Freak” circumstances you could turn the thing off and it would keep powering things , That machine is the very thing EPD is talking about here
Part 6 of 6: Eric Dollard & Chris Carson Tesla Longitudinal Wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio - YouTube
and so does this ring any bells ? And so It now begs a question (with me at least) is there a point where a battery will be “resonant” to this high frequency (untaught linear) wave and how might we be able to “tune” to it?
Needs must I say here .. as I'm sure you all aware there are quite a lot of systems that can be driven COP<1
usually with difficulty and not a little danger one of these is the rotoverter, As I’m sure your aware this system has been looped on occasion by several people unfortunately there seems to be murder and threats involved, However I direct you to page 6 of this PDF and “Layman’s looping analogy”
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/Advan...evelopment.pdf
It is made quite clear that batteries can be made “resonant” Stochastic resonance that is yes sir If I had to make my guess that’s it! How to tune to such a beast ?
How about a “Big daddy” ATU so you could put a full standing wave on the battery and see the forward and reflected wave? Again just a guess but as Hector and EPD have explained simple radio theory is key (simple to those two boffin s anyway) not so simple to nit wits like me but as Its already been pointed out that a battery is little more than a giant capacitor so how about tuning to resonance with a large version of the historical animal “The variocoupler” here shown as part of historical radio gear
http://www.atwaterkent.info/Articles/AKRA0512.pdf
although of course for tuning to a motors and batteries I dare say It’ll have to be wound on a waste bin or some such – anyway just chewing the fat, and injecting some food for thought, very interesting thread and I'm delighted Mk one is running again. Keep up the great work and good luck amigos

[penno64]

Hi Duncan,

Like your way of thinking.


Do you have more detail or a link on the Army 12 to 24v device?

Thanks, Penno

[Duncan]

more info

Hi Duncan,

Like your way of thinking.


Do you have more detail or a link on the Army 12 to 24v device?

Thanks, Penno

Hi Penno64 – although I've made it sound “easy” build this vibrator (or in your case a motor ) connect it up and get free energy from reading lots of EPDs and Hectors work and others and even accepted that my comprehension of what they are writing is only about 40% and added to that I have a head ache after each session I’ve come to the conclusion that the wave form and particularly the forward and reflected power are critical.
I could almost liken the odds to finding it by accident as being like building a radio with variable capacitor tuning and expecting it to receive a particular station as soon as its turned on. There is more on the converter however on this Thread...
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109991

Including more pics
As you have now watched that short clip by EPD I also (just for your Interest) include this article on the other machine he was talking about (which spins at 10,000 R.P.M) I understand Its now in the tender care of Peter Lindemann.

CONSPIRACY.CO

I’m sure penno64 your all to well aware how easy it is to get side tracked whilst studying COP>1 devices, In fact I’ve come to the conclusion that a sizeable proportion of forum members are paid agents doing exactly that, The fact that the vibrator contraption could (occasionally) hit a sweet spot (briefly) after millions of operations (very slow and delicate tuning) .does not surprise me however to simply build the circuit and expect it to work is IMHO madness.
The section “Load and battery circuits” on page 13 of this PDF http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf
seems to me to be the happy tuned state your aiming for and really what I was pointing at.
It has always seemed to me that in the simple three battery system, the Battery and what’s happening there has always been the X factor. My post was simply a humble effort to

a/ verify that batteries can be used COP.1 with other systems – to wit
EPDs machine and The roterverter and

b/ offer some sort of explanation as to how its being done
as above and in the previous PDF

The Basic three battery system is so elegantly simple in its concept using basically off the shelf components and even junk, to be able to get to the heart of its basic operation (and understand it) would cause the revolution we all wish to see.
Best wishes Duncan .

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Duncan.

You ability to come up with reference material still amazes me. I have been watching all your posts and going through the links you give. Keep up the good work.

I still do not feel the 3bgs is resonant device. The effect can happen to easy and with many different frequency at any voltage level.
That dead battery is flipping the polarity of the current and sending it back as a negative potential. The effect has even been measured (In previous posts) by a complete flip of the batteries polarity.

I'll have a more permanent setup soon and it will be easier to start tracking this stuff down with the scope. The batteries are real hard to kill, but with enough abuse I am finding out they do succumb to death.

If anybody else is interested this is the circuit I amusing.

https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...stCirciut3.jpg

I did 4x 20 minutes runs. The primary was at 48 volt level and the motor running pulls 10+ amp. On all 4 runs there was no loss of power.
Still have not been able to run a load on the dead though. Maybe It'll happen today.

Cheers
Matt

[Duncan]

More of the same?

Hi Matthew & all - you all have a huge advantage over me as your doing lots of “hands on” and there's really no substitute. I simply spent an afternoon about six months ago throwing the basic set up together with some R/C model motors It ran but predictably didn't go COP<1 I didn't really expect it to – after all I haven’t done the phenomenal amount of spade work you guys are doing.. but I thought it was worth “a punt”. As I'm sure you all know these things don't go away but rather nag at the back of the mind continuously, I guess its true “a troubled mind can know no rest” There is no way I can argue with what your observing Matthew (I'm not going to argue with anyone kind enough to take me to an airport at hell O'clock in the morning anyway ) Rather I'm positing possibilities.
The first thing to consider Matthew is I don’t think resonance is at play here either but rather Stochastic Resonance which is an entirely different beast, depending on your background and view (and mines pretty simple ) but Just to "get into range" if your a radio guy it would be tuning a transmission line to a Standing wave Ratio of exactly one, If you happen to be an Electrical guy consider “tuning” to a PF of 1,( with acute accuracy) In the case of your battery system consider that you are tuning again with accuracy to “Aether noise” that does seem a ridiculous proposition but is exactly how its described by wiser minds than I.
Of course if all that’s true, Matthew what you are measuring and seeing on the scope is not cause but an effect.
For all his years of experience and thousands of constructions the only effective Aetheric conversion Mr Bedini has ever found is “A battery” and as yet no one has discovered (as far as I know) anyway of measuring Aetheric power, What ever it is you are measuring Matthew It can only be a secondary effect on batteries or motors Its impossible to measure Aetheric power.
Why ?? consider this … Is there such a thing as a square wave ? All our maths and electrical theory is based on the assumption that there is, of course there can be no such thing, whatever pretty picture there may be on the front of your signal generator ! You can get 99.999% of a square wave but really how could you get from say 12 volt to 0 volt in zero time ? Well of course you can't, It begs the question can you actually do anything “In zero time”? all that mechanical bollix on the pendulum we were force fed at school for instance tells you it changes from Kinetic energy to potential energy in zero time really? Again how can anything happen in zero time? We then make the crass assumption that everything continues in the same vain in this “zero time” area …. It doesn't your in “Magic land” and Davids quite right "Magic happens" you don’t own an instrument that can measure anything in zero time and nor does anyone else. So here's an agricultural view of what I think is supposed to happen

1/ There are two very sharp switching actions so close to each other as to be considered simultaneous
(This action is carried out by the commutator in your set up)
2/ The voltage and current component of each individual “event” is separated (This action is carried out by the inductive and capacitive effect of the field windings and batteries respectively.)
3/ The voltage from one “event” is mixed (heterodyned) with the current of the other in such a way that they are 180 deg anti phase. In simple terms by slight of electrics you force this “Zero time” event which as I’ve all ready explained is impossible .. but you’ve done it almost like a magician by slight of hand! (This occurs in the battery in your machine)
4/ Depending on how well you can tune to and hold Stochastic resonance Aetheric energy will flood into the circuit, you of course cant measure or see it on a scope (how can you see anything that’s in zero time?) but it is filtered and converted by the battery Into real usable power!
I note others use an AV plug to assist in sucking up this chaotic energy form.
As always Best wishes Duncan

[Turion]

Once again someone has contacted me by e-mail to let me know they got the setup working for a short while, running a load and yet the voltages on the primaries went up. It only happened on one run and overnight the chemistry in battery three changed and it would not work the next day, but now they have seen what this thing can do. We need MORE people testing this setup until we can isolate what makes the magic happen and consistently replicate it. COme on guys, be a part of this thing. The more people that give it a shot, the more often we're going to see people hitting on the right combination that makes the magic happen and we WILL figure this out.

Dave

[shylo]

AV plug

Hi Duncan, "others use an AV plug to suck up this chaotic energy form"
I don't know what that is or how it works, would it be possible to post a link or some other info??
Hi Dave I'm still working on this ,in the process of building a new stator.On my old set-up ,when I was running tests I did see the motor gain in speed then hold ,then slow, and then gain again, several times .
When we get the increase in speed is that what is considered the sweet spot and where we want to stay??
If I ever can find the time I would like to try to wind UFOs' motor and put that in place of the motor.
@ everyone,Thanks for all the info
shylo

[Turion]

shylo,
If you put a load on battery three and the motor speeds up...then within the next five minutes speeds up AGAIN, you have found a sweet spot where the load on the motor (or lack of load) balances with the load on battery three. In this "zone" you should be able to run the system with NO LOSS on the primaries.

If you add loads to battery three and it drops out of the zone, you have two choices. Reduce the load on battery three or ADD a load to the motor to get it back in the zone. You can tell it has dropped out of the zone because it will speed up when you add the load to battery three, but will not speed up AGAIN (and that second speed up is the critical one as the system comes into some kind of "resonance"), or MAY even slow down after the initial speed up.

Dave

[Duncan]

AV plug

Hi Duncan, "others use an AV plug to suck up this chaotic energy form"
I don't know what that is or how it works, would it be possible to post a link or some other info??
Hi Dave I'm still working on this ,in the process of building a new stator.On my old set-up ,when I was running tests I did see the motor gain in speed then hold ,then slow, and then gain again, several times .
When we get the increase in speed is that what is considered the sweet spot and where we want to stay??
If I ever can find the time I would like to try to wind UFOs' motor and put that in place of the motor.
@ everyone,Thanks for all the info
shylo

Hi Shylo – I was being very blasé and loose with my terminology the AV plug is actually a very special bit of gear the operation of which I confess I don’t fully understand myself, I first read that it and its effects were initially discovered by a Russian schoolboy here's a starter on the thing
Frolov on resonant tuning and the Avramenko plug (AV being short for his name “Avramenko” which I had no chance of spelling off the cuff.)
You can see the basic set up being used here in this JNL labs variation of Tesla's single wire transmission, (between the ignition coil and the antenna) I have noted the Avramenko is used by quite a lot of researchers and it certainly comes into play re the looped Rotoverter
The AFEP v1.2, Single-Wire Energy transmission test by Jean-Louis Naudin
I did find this which seems to correct my “school boy” assertion still Shylo Its the device I was indicating
http://www.fluxite.com/AvramencoFrolov.pdf
If you do per chance discover a nice easy explanation as to how this silly little circuit does what it does please post it
single wire power transmission
as usual Best wishes Duncan

[shylo]

Sweet spot

Hi Dave, your saying it should speed up when you add a load ,let it run for~5 mins ,it should speed up again??
I let it run for 8 hrs with the same load on bat 3 (the dead bat ,drawing over 350 watts). It would gain speed with this load but, then slow down, then gain again , but never as high as it was before.?
I'm also using shorted coils, but am only catching part of the spike
I think the door is, interupting the fields around us??

Duncan, you're a wealth of information ,it will take me a week to get a chance to look at this, thank you for all the info
shylo

[Turion]

Hi Dave, your saying it should speed up when you add a load ,let it run for~5 mins ,it should speed up again??

YES

IF you have the load on the motor balanced with the load on battery three.

[Turion]

Too bad nobody is going to be around for the big finish to this project. Can't say I didn't try to get the word out that there is something to this.

Dave

[s e t h]

i'm sure many are following with baited breath