3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

wantomake,

I never know why this thread goes quiet. When so many people have seen success with this you would think that boat loads of folks would be trying it, but apparently not. As Carroll said, many of us are spending our time trying different batteries in the third position, searching for that battery that works and KEEPS working. I have two setups always up and running, doing testing.

You are correct. This does EXTEND the useful power output of your two primary batteries even when it does not work correctly. When it isn't working correctly they eventually do go down. If you do no runs longer than 20-30 minutes, they will recover completely though. I am using the pulsed DC motor to run a generator of Matt's design and working building a looped system.

It may require some shuffling of batteries, but I'm playing with it.

Dave

[wantomake]

latest test

wantomake,

I never know why this thread goes quiet. When so many people have seen success with this you would think that boat loads of folks would be trying it, but apparently not. As Carroll said, many of us are spending our time trying different batteries in the third position, searching for that battery that works and KEEPS working. I have two setups always up and running, doing testing.

You are correct. This does EXTEND the useful power output of your two primary batteries even when it does not work correctly. When it isn't working correctly they eventually do go down. If you do no runs longer than 20-30 minutes, they will recover completely though. I am using the pulsed DC motor to run a generator of Matt's design and working building a looped system.

It may require some shuffling of batteries, but I'm playing with it.

Dave

Thanks Dave,
I agree. Why aren't more people trying this. I use this system to run tests for the Lockridge device. And do enjoy the extra battery life.

I had a strange thing happen today with the #3 bad good battery.

The #3 bad battery finally was dead enough to be a good bad battery. So I connected the "Ufopolitics" motor to #1 and #2, but it didn't start for 45-50 minutes. Then it started and would run very slow rpm then speed up higher rpm. At this the primaries started to drop 26.21 vdc to 25.65 vdc in exactly one hour. The motor started to heat up a bit so I disconnected it and connected the two 12 vdc lights I use to kill the #3 battery as usual. Usually the #3 just goes straight to 0.0 vdc . This was normal.

Well today #3 just lit up the two (in series 65 watt) lights and had 10 vdc or so. Then it dropped to 6 vdc or so and the lights dimmed. Ok. Why? But then the voltage shot back up to 10 volts and the lights returned to same amount of brilliance.

This went on for some time with the voltage dropping slowly down to 0.0.

Is this normal? Have You had this happen to #3's before. Any insights would be welcomed.

Thanks and happy experimenting,
wantomake

[Turion]

YES!!!!!! I have had that happen!! I have seen it happen three or four times. I have never talked about it because I thought my whole thread was hard enough for people to accept without bringing up information about the strange behaviors of battery 3.

In post number one I talked about how I believe what we do with a "good" bad battery is open some kind of "gate" that allows energy to come into the system. Maybe battery 3 gets into some kind of resonance where things start to multiply exponentially, like with the TPU. What I think you saw here was a battery that, as it lost voltage, suddenly hit that spot where it is in that resonant state, and for a brief time that gate opened and energy from somewhere came pouring into it, raising the voltage again to a point where it was no longer in resonance and then the voltage began to drop like normal.

When we finally discover how to keep that 3rd battery aligned to that resonant point, whether it be by balanced loads, not allowing it to charge or whatever, that is when we will see some amazing things happen with this setup. It's what I have been looking for since the first time this thing worked for me.

Dave

[wantomake]

Video of test

test#2 - YouTube

[wantomake]

thanks

YES!!!!!! I have had that happen!! I have seen it happen three or four times. I have never talked about it because I thought my whole thread was hard enough for people to accept without bringing up information about the strange behaviors of battery 3.

In post number one I talked about how I believe what we do with a "good" bad battery is open some kind of "gate" that allows energy to come into the system. Maybe battery 3 gets into some kind of resonance where things start to multiply exponentially, like with the TPU. What I think you saw here was a battery that, as it lost voltage, suddenly hit that spot where it is in that resonant state, and for a brief time that gate opened and energy from somewhere came pouring into it, raising the voltage again to a point where it was no longer in resonance and then the voltage began to drop like normal.

When we finally discover how to keep that 3rd battery aligned to that resonant point, whether it be by balanced loads, not allowing it to charge or whatever, that is when we will see some amazing things happen with this setup. It's what I have been looking for since the first time this thing worked for me.

Dave

Thank you Dave,
It was a good feeling to experience the "opening of a gate and energy from somewhere came pouring in" .
Now I understand what the goal is. And the need for the correct "good bad battery". Will keep testing since this is only a beginning.

Hope any watching the video can understand the southern accent.
Thanks and happy experimenting,
wantomake

[Turion]

wantomake,
Thanks for posting that video. Pretty cool.

Yeah, the goal is to figure out how to get battery 3 to hold at that point where the energy comes flooding into it. The very first setup I ever had did that and I didn't have any idea how lucky I was. I ran every kind of load you could imagine. Lights, drills, my shop vac, a 12 volt car vacuum, fans, and all sorts of small motors. You could try running your motor at the same time and adding small loads to the motor. You could run another motor shaft coupled as a generator and rectify the output to run 12 volt devices. If you can get them to balance with each other, the voltage on battery three will remain steady.

OR you could just leave it alone and let it continue to go up and down like it is doing. It may do that FOREVER, and that would surely convince some folks (when the thing is still powering those lights in a few days) that there is somethng to this thing.

[wantomake]

Happy experimenting continues

wantomake,
Thanks for posting that video. Pretty cool.

Yeah, the goal is to figure out how to get battery 3 to hold at that point where the energy comes flooding into it. The very first setup I ever had did that and I didn't have any idea how lucky I was. I ran every kind of load you could imagine. Lights, drills, my shop vac, a 12 volt car vacuum, fans, and all sorts of small motors. You could try running your motor at the same time and adding small loads to the motor. You could run another motor shaft coupled as a generator and rectify the output to run 12 volt devices. If you can get them to balance with each other, the voltage on battery three will remain steady.

OR you could just leave it alone and let it continue to go up and down like it is doing. It may do that FOREVER, and that would surely convince some folks (when the thing is still powering those lights in a few days) that there is somethng to this thing.

Thanks for that comment,
Yes, I want to help reach that goal if we can. I understand why you have stayed with this a long four years and still hold interest in this project.

I also tried to balance the load on both sides with 12 vdc bulbs, other unmodified motors, the Ufopolitics motor, and even christmas lights LED, that will fry quickly. Haha. The best so far is the dc bulbs, that I can add more or less to balance it. The Ufopolitics motor has a generator side that I'm using as a load to balance with also.

Even after the video I left the bulbs on the "Gate" battery, the voltage still did go up and down, even near zero volts.

Ok, happy experimenting,
wantomake

[LutherG]

Thanks for that comment,
Yes, I want to help reach that goal if we can. I understand why you have stayed with this a long four years and still hold interest in this project.

I also tried to balance the load on both sides with 12 vdc bulbs, other unmodified motors, the Ufopolitics motor, and even christmas lights LED, that will fry quickly. Haha. The best so far is the dc bulbs, that I can add more or less to balance it. The Ufopolitics motor has a generator side that I'm using as a load to balance with also.

Even after the video I left the bulbs on the "Gate" battery, the voltage still did go up and down, even near zero volts.

Ok, happy experimenting,
wantomake

Hello Wantomake,

That's a very interesting video indeed. If you run across this occurrance again, and if you remember to do so, would you try opening the covers and peering inside the battery itself as it is doing this to see if you are able to observe anything going on physically within the battery? Also, it would be interesting to note the electrolyte levels and if you have a means for doing so, would you check the specific gravity of each cell of this battery?

Keep up the good work!

Luther

[wantomake]

Hello Wantomake,

That's a very interesting video indeed. If you run across this occurrance again, and if you remember to do so, would you try opening the covers and peering inside the battery itself as it is doing this to see if you are able to observe anything going on physically within the battery? Also, it would be interesting to note the electrolyte levels and if you have a means for doing so, would you check the specific gravity of each cell of this battery?

Keep up the good work!

Luther

Thanks Luther,
Yes the effect has not stopped since the #3 bad good battery started doing this. But, I'm going to take Ufopolitics advice (from youtube comment) and try what he posted.

I do appreciate your input and interest as this really has my brains buzzing. This is an effect I wasn't trying to find or create. It was by accident when I was trying to produce more dc power from the generator side of the ufopolitics modified motor. At the same time using the 3 battery generating set as the power source.

I'll try to test as ufo stated on youtube and post the results for us all to learn and reach that goal Dave stated.

Happy experimenting,
wantomake

[shylo]

Testing

Hi all, I was trying a new "bad battery" It read 6.1v .Hooked it up with the drive motor in place, the readings went up to 24.9 volts ,the same as the 2 primaries. I waited twenty mins. for the motor to start but nothing.So I connected a 18volt cordless drill across bat3 ,the voltage on 3 dropped to .7volts and the drive motor started but the drill motor never did.
So I put a lighter load on bat 3 ,it is the light that came with the drill combo set (Ridgid) ,the light says 120vac, 9w, .15A, The light came on but the drive motor didn't start and the voltage on the batteries All of them stayed the same. 2 and a half hours later the motor finally kicked on primaries were at 24.5 volts and 3 was at 23.6.
Then the motor was speeding up and slowing down, the light was going on and off.I then shut down and disconnected ,breakfest was ready and I needed some wood for the stove.
An hour later went back checked the primaries they were back up to 24.8volts so ran a light for 2 and a half hours on .1volt, not counting the motor running.
Any way it's hooked up and shining let see how long it lasts.
shylo

[wantomake]

Looks good

Hi all, I was trying a new "bad battery" It read 6.1v .Hooked it up with the drive motor in place, the readings went up to 24.9 volts ,the same as the 2 primaries. I waited twenty mins. for the motor to start but nothing.So I connected a 18volt cordless drill across bat3 ,the voltage on 3 dropped to .7volts and the drive motor started but the drill motor never did.
So I put a lighter load on bat 3 ,it is the light that came with the drill combo set (Ridgid) ,the light says 120vac, 9w, .15A, The light came on but the drive motor didn't start and the voltage on the batteries All of them stayed the same. 2 and a half hours later the motor finally kicked on primaries were at 24.5 volts and 3 was at 23.6.
Then the motor was speeding up and slowing down, the light was going on and off.I then shut down and disconnected ,breakfest was ready and I needed some wood for the stove.
An hour later went back checked the primaries they were back up to 24.8volts so ran a light for 2 and a half hours on .1volt, not counting the motor running.
Any way it's hooked up and shining let see how long it lasts.
shylo

Hey shylo,

It takes so much effort to find that perfect bad battery. I noticed the same effect when I tried to balance the system with a motor on #3 and then different motor on the primary batteries. That was hard to balance. It is strange how #3 voltage can jump so high and still be ok?

So I tried a different way and put no load on #3 and would connect the one motor across the set and just waited for it to start. It took 45-50 minutes to start. And yes it turn slow and then fast. Strange indeed.

Cool and interesting,
wantomake

[shylo]

strange indeed

Just an update, after brecky ,it has now run 1 1/2 -2 hours before the drive motor starting. The voltage when this happened was 24.6v on primaries and 23.6 on#3.
The drain on the primaries seems to begin once the dead battery reaches roughly 50 percent of the primaries and the drive motor starts, but in capacity not voltage, the voltage on the dead battery is weak in the beginning..,but the more it runs the more capacity it gains.
When it gets stronger it kills the effect,then I tried running 2 bad bats in series, to decrease the capacity....still waiting for the drive motor to kick in Its been an hour and a half ,not running yet.
shylo

[shylo]

Magnetic current

One thing I forgot to mention, I dropped a ball bearing down into the drive motor, you can hear it bouncing around when nothing 's happening..
Seems to be some sort of pulsing field ,n/s n/s, in order to make the bb move?( this is without the dm running)
It moves without any load on the dead bat, that is when nothing is hooked up, that bearing keeps moving around, but the 2 good bats are running through the dead bats, maybe that's whats causing it?
The motor still hasn't kicked on
shylo

[wantomake]

Help

Hello anybody,

I have a science question. Do marine 12 volt batteries have AC hertz coming from them ? Maybe I'm just looking for too much here or frequency is something you don't measure in batteries.
But.
I connected a DMM for AC hertz and it showed 15-30 hertz for the high rpm's, but when the motor slowed the hertz would spike to 90-179 hz. So is this something or am I just showing my level of electronics knowledge?

If this is something, I do have a video of it.
If not it's still cool.
wantomake
PS: Did anyone have any strange behavior from #3 when it rained? Strange indeed.....

[shylo]

Frequency

Hi WTM, I don't know anything about frequency or even how you measure it with a digital meter. But there is definatly something going on in the windings of the drive motor ,because that little ball bearing is moving around, when the light is turned on. The power is giong through the motor coils in order to complete the circut to make the light work.
There must be some kind of alternating field to move the ball or else it would just stick to one of the magnets inside.
BTW after 3 hours with the 2 dead bats in series ,the primaries had dropped to 24.2volts, the 2 series dead bats never changed still 23.6volts. The drive motor never kicked on ,but the whole time you can hear that little ball moving around After 8 hour rest the primaries are at 24.5volts.
So roughly 7 hours of light for .3volts. I don't know if thats good or bad ,good me thinks.
shylo