3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

Ossie's Work

It is because of Ossie's ideas that I tried putting several dead batteries in parallel with battery three hoping to expand the potential difference and affect the performance of the circuit. It had mixed results. It was harder to get the motor to run, and results were varied as to whether or not the primaries discharged. Now that we have heard from liber63 concerning his results with the small motor on battery 3, I'd like to go back and try that setup with a large dead battery bank.

Dave

[liber63]

Hi Dave
I had a run today with 3 bad batteries in parallel instead of one. I would put more if I had. Motor (my radiator fan) started 3 minutes later, and kept charging for 15 minutes the primaries. After that it sort of stabilized. Then I ran as a load my small rc motor, but all the same. 40 minutes later I shut the system as I saw a little drop, totally 0,4 volts at the primaries. Then measured the new 2 bad batteries and they weren't bad anymore, they had gained 7 volts each! (though I noticed they could not sustain it with vigor!. They might be good bad batteries when they grow up, if I discharge them a lot, and repetedly. So all I managed is to charge the bad batteries But my main (first) bad battery was still at about 4 volts.
One detail which might be of some importance or it might not be, is that when I had some success with small rc motor as a load the Motor was connected but it was not running! I don't know. So I hope I don't drag you down the same way I took.
Panos

[Turion]

It's All Good!

Panos,
Every time someone posts about a run where they saw SOME success, people have GOT to wonder if there might be something to this, and just MAYBE they will take the time to try it themselves.

When you try different things it gives us more data and the more we know, the closer we are going to come to a solution to this thing. We just have to keep trying.

I KNOW there are lurkers out there who run off and try every promising lead they run across here without reporting back here because they hope to run patent this thing before anyone else. (I wish that they would at least report their FAILED attempts because it would give us more data.) That might even have been ME five years ago. But I have learned a few things since then and maybe grown up just a little (Yes people as old as me can still grow up some...ask my wife!) Now all I am interested in is making sure we figure this out and get the solution out to people who need it. If I can make a few bucks somehow, that would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. (Matt, I AM still holding my breath to see what YOU figure out with the magnets.)

Dave

[soundiceuk]

Hi everyone!

Dave have you considered getting someone like Millenergy to confirm what you are seeing so you use their write up to reach a wider scientific community?

An example of their work.

http://www.earthionenergy.com/disclo...ab%20Tests.pdf

Best regards,

Paul

[boguslaw]

Panos,
Every time someone posts about a run where they saw SOME success, people have GOT to wonder if there might be something to this, and just MAYBE they will take the time to try it themselves.

When you try different things it gives us more data and the more we know, the closer we are going to come to a solution to this thing. We just have to keep trying.

I KNOW there are lurkers out there who run off and try every promising lead they run across here without reporting back here because they hope to run patent this thing before anyone else. (I wish that they would at least report their FAILED attempts because it would give us more data.) That might even have been ME five years ago. But I have learned a few things since then and maybe grown up just a little (Yes people as old as me can still grow up some...ask my wife!) Now all I am interested in is making sure we figure this out and get the solution out to people who need it. If I can make a few bucks somehow, that would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. (Matt, I AM still holding my breath to see what YOU figure out with the magnets.)

Dave

Well...once I planned to give you some support with idea I had about this setup but because I'm busy working on other projects I failed and forgot about the schematic.Sorry. If you want to go further then accept that your setup is exactly what Ismael Aviso is trying to do (or maybe just did now) with switching two banks of batteries from serial to parallel connection with a buffer capacitor acting as a radiant energy collector and a switching mechanism which collect energy from ambient. There is one Aviso video when he explained the setup.

[Turion]

Ismael Aviso

boguslaw,

Do you have a link to that video?

[soundiceuk]

Boguslaw, is this the page with 3 videos where Ismael explains one of his circuits, that you mean?

Aviso's Free Energy Circuit Revealed

Best regards,

Paul

[boguslaw]

Here is Aviso method : Aviso self charging motor 2 of 6 How I found problem & solved it - YouTube

and here is another guy doing the same simpler :

self charging electric car (working prototype) - YouTube

Now I remember my proposition was somewhere beetwen both of presented.

Simply : by using a big capacitor rated at least at 400V , and a fast diodes to collect back emf from motor (when switching by igbt or mosfets , not relay).
Switching need to be fast, capacitor protected from overload. Now just connect fast efficient DC-DC converter which can charge easily the source battery (or bank of batteries connected in parallel) working from the energy stored in that big capacitor. So that was my idea which I forgot but planned to give you later when I finish my solid state switching device (sadly it is still not ready)

I'm very much convinced it would work efficiently as you see it's just a variant of common method.... Your dead battery is just that : a big HV capacitor with something acting as a switch to dump energy back to the source battery in correct moment. There is no need to fighting with dead battery - this is a dead road I think. Someday we could find why/how that battery acted as a buffer with switch , but now it's impossible....

[a.king21]

I agree

Here is Aviso method : Aviso self charging motor 2 of 6 How I found problem & solved it - YouTube

and here is another guy doing the same simpler :

self charging electric car (working prototype) - YouTube

Now I remember my proposition was somewhere beetwen both of presented.

Simply : by using a big capacitor rated at least at 400V , and a fast diodes to collect back emf from motor (when switching by igbt or mosfets , not relay).
Switching need to be fast, capacitor protected from overload. Now just connect fast efficient DC-DC converter which can charge easily the source battery (or bank of batteries connected in parallel) working from the energy stored in that big capacitor. So that was my idea which I forgot but planned to give you later when I finish my solid state switching device (sadly it is still not ready)

I'm very much convinced it would work efficiently as you see it's just a variant of common method.... Your dead battery is just that : a big HV capacitor with something acting as a switch to dump energy back to the source battery in correct moment. There is no need to fighting with dead battery - this is a dead road I think. Someday we could find why/how that battery acted as a buffer with switch , but now it's impossible....

I agree. This whole business is really a development of Benitez's third patent concerning the 4 battery system. I have a simplified circuit diagram which shows remarkable similarity to the three battery system. If anyone wants it I will post the circuit. Anyhow, that's what I'm working on now.

[Matthew Jones]

I agree. This whole business is really a development of Benitez's third patent concerning the 4 battery system. I have a simplified circuit diagram which shows remarkable similarity to the three battery system. If anyone wants it I will post the circuit. Anyhow, that's what I'm working on now.

My guess would be that building the Benitez 3rd patent and really looking at the 3bgs would change that opinion.

Matt

[Turion]

a.king21,
Don't think I can agree with that. Having talked to some folks who have built Benitez devices that have run loads for MONTHS before running down (in cold weather, which is probably a significant factor since it was out in a cold building) I don't believe the Benitez device allows you to continue to add loads to one side of the system and then the other, balancing them, until you have put so much load on your motor you are in danger of burning it up, and it is running at FAR greater speeds and with FAR more torque than when connected to two batteries in series can possibly provide, all while NOT drawing down on the primaries. I, and others, have seen this with the 3BGS WHEN IT IS WORKING. There may be some things that are similar about them, but they are far from the same thing.

With The help of folks who have spent a whole lot of time on Benitez stuff (see Use for the Tesla Switch thread) I built three different versions of Benitez's stuff. I saw that the batteries could be rotated and you could keep a load running without drawing down on your primaries, but that load had limits. I currently have 3 different builds of Benitez circuits completed, and a 4th LARGE transformer version that I still need to get up and running. So it is definitely worth messing with, and I continue to mess with it, but it is definitely NOT the same thing. At least not in my opinion. I have been wrong before.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

Excellent!

Guys,
This exchange of ideas is exactly the sort of thing needed to take this down the road to success like a Ferrari instead of a Model T. Dave and Matt have been working on this, and parallel technologies for years trying to figure the 3BGS out. Learn from their experience, as I have, and continue to share those ideas for the shortcuts to the finish line.
Excellent!!!
Randy

[shylo]

motors

Hi All , I 've been spending a lot of time winding motors .
When I get them to run ,Then I hook them up to the 3BGS.My latest motor will not start, Matts' motor starts, Peters' , and stock.
But you can draw off the collectors, on mine, by adding a little cordless screwdriver, as part of the draw, ..I believe it's the arcing in the brushes.
You don't need the motor ,but it works better.
shylo

[Turion]

Probably the larger coils in your motor are contributing to the effect, even though the motor is not turning. You may be completing the circuit through that coil, which affects the outcome. The coil in it may still be pulsed by the connection and disconnection of the brushes in the small motor

Dave

[a.king21]

Here's what I mean.

In the schematic I hope you can see the similarities. Benitez tell us the OU arises from the fact that the spark can oscillate in the mhz range and charge and discharge the capacitor millions of times per second - so a tiny cap - say a Leyden jar, is sufficient. In the case of the motor, the spark gap equivalent is the continuous on/off contact with the brushes. In the case of Benitez, the spark gap in this embodiment is caused by the interrupter. Most people are unaware that interrupters were in common use at that time and were not even included in coil schematics. lol,