3 Battery Generating System

[Skeptic]

Any discussion on this thread of anything other than Dave's 3BGS technology, which I know to be the real deal, is not proper forum etiquette and I really have a huge respect for these guys so.......please see my previous post.

Thank you for the reminder - I got carried away! I'll just stick to waiting for Turion to do the 3 battery test we discussed.

[a.king21]

Well, actually I think there is a lot of resemblance to the three battery system.
The magnacoaster system originally used a dead battery, a pulse motor and a Tesla switch in a series loop. I'm not trying to go off thread here, just connecting the dots as all these systems have a common theme, namely the short sharp spike caused by a coil responsive to high frequencies, and a dead battery or capacitor collection system.
Where the coil is not particularly responsive to high frequencies, provided the "correct spark" is created then the MHZ oscillations can be captured in a small capacitor with a high ohm resistor or dead battery.
Maybe the "correct spark" is another key to all this.
If the spark is wrong then the rate of filling up and emptying the capacitor is equal to the input frequency ie pathetic!
If the spark is "correct" then the frequency in the system is equal to MHZ pulses of filling and emptying the capacitor or dead battery, hence energy is gained from ambient, (also called radiant, or vacuum, or zero point, or longtitudonal)
What Magnacoaster has done is figured out how to increase the frequency using his two correctly positioned magnets.
I agree that we can better the cost of the Magnacoaster system by miles.

[Skeptic]

Magnacoaster

a.king.

I believe it is off subject since unlike the 3 battery system, there doesn't seem to be any proof that it really works outside the control of the inventors, no evidence that it's it's been delivered, no reviews to see , no happy customers reporting, lots of broken promises, money put on deposit etc. Look! - The King Is Wearing No Clothes.

Nuff Said

[OrionLightShip]

I'm not trying to go off thread here, just connecting the dots as all these systems have a common theme, namely the short sharp spike caused by a coil responsive to high frequencies, and a dead battery or capacitor collection system.

a.king, sorry; I wasn't referring to your discussion at all, just my own! Edit: Also to disengage from skeptic who is here for other reasons than proof of ou. end edit.
I don't know anything about the magnacoaster except that I hope it makes it onto the market this time and becomes widely available.

[Skeptic]

Wrong Assumption

OrionLightShip: I am here to help verify in a clear, unbiased, and straight forward manner the ability of the 3 battery system to run without depleting the 2 good batteries, or even charge the 2 good batteries with additional power. It could either prove, disprove, or be inconclusive of that premise.

My posts will clearly demonstrate my motives.

I hope my actions will change your mind about me.

[Turion]

OK guys,

I had a great weekend up at my property in Sutter Creek, CA. Drove my EV (My wife calls her EVe) up and down the hills as we set out boundary markers on our five acre parcel so we could figure out where our 5,000 gallon water tank will be put in. And I won just under $200 at the craps table at the casino. Funny thing about that. They don't realize they are funding my free energy research. In the five months since we bought the property and have been going to the casino, I've won just over $2,200, which is a good thing since that is my ONLY source of income right now. (DOn't feel sorry for me. My wife works and she LIKES having me at home working on things around the house and always having dinner ready when she gets home. And I get to mess with free energy stuff all day long. It's a tough life, but somebody's gotta do it.)

Anyway, got the two primary batteries all charged up and have them hooked up to a motor to see how long it will run. I started the run at 12:33 today, so we'll see how long it lasts. I ran it for thirty minutes and am letting it rest so the motor doesn't overheat. I will rest an hour and then run for thirty until it won't run anymore. This is a stock off the shelf razor scooter motor by the way. Here is the YouTube video of the charge on the two batteries. They are brand new and never been used.

Skeptic Test - YouTube

I had a large can of fruit on the bottom shelf of my pantry upstairs explode, and it dripped down through the cracks in the oak floorboards onto everything on my bench, including these batteries, but I cleaned them up as best I could. I have a third (brand new) battery that came from the store dead. I will test the specific gravity of all cells before I hook it into the third position and run it. I make no promises that this is a "good" bad battery, but that's why this is called a "test."

Dave

[Skeptic]

Skeptic Test

Turion,
Thanks for the video. Looks like a reasonable test. Perhaps the specific gravity testing will help locate operable "weak" batteries and be an additional metric for the good batteries before and after phase 2. . I can't help but wonder if the weak battery would run the test motor or not and for how long if so (only if it doesn't interfere with phase 2 and can be re-charged to the same point). Even if the weak battery cannot run the test motor, one might wonder how many amp hours are still there? Anyway, don't let that stop the test. Let's see what you get.

Thank you so much for you willingness to do these tests. I hope it produces some new knowledge.

[Turion]

Hooking up the bad battery directly to the motor to see if it will run the motor at all is NOT a problem. In fact, the DEADER the bad battery is, the better and longer it will work in the system, so running it as far down as it will go before using it in the 3BGS configuration is only a benefit. Plus it will show that there was no "Useful" energy in the bad battery that contributed to how long the motor would run.

Dave

[shylo]

dead battery

I have a battery that will read full ,but drop's to zero, as soon as a load is added.
It will allow a 3 hour run, and only use 300 mv, from the initial readings.
It was drawing 2 amps at 18 volts ,but the readings are always bouncing around
It has to do with interrupting , the feed , .........STOP IT before it can feed to the next.?
shylo

[tachyoncatcher]

SG and pH

Guys,
Ive been checking the specific gravity and pH of all of my dead batteries for over a year. It won't help you other than to tell you one cell is deader than the others. There is some other combination of internal conditions that make a good "dead" battery. What we know is the "hard" sulfate is a factor in this. As the pulses hit the plates covered with this insulating material, it breaks it up and causes the sulfate to be more readily soluble. As the sulfate then goes in solution, the battery repairs or gains more dipole potential. Also, as this is happening, the insulating sheath of sulfate is being removed from the plates. I suspect this is the true dilemma we face. My best bad battery worked for days. It had a pH of nearly 10. It appeared to be fully sulfated. I used a alkaline electrolyte to try to preserve the sulfate. Those damn pulses still cleaned the plates.

The 3rd battery is not a battery at all. It is a combination, transducer, resonator and collector. Bedini has been harping for years on the transducer/collector side of LABs. It is my belief the resonator side of these sulfated batteries is what gives us the big gains. To me, the real valuable info would come from a good bad battery that is open so you can get some wave form measurements off of individual cells while it is in the act of being a good bad battery. Ever cut the top off of one of those batteries? They make it real tough to do without destroying the connections between cells. The smaller, 7-18Ah batteries are real tough. You must cut around the top and down the center of the top. There are cell connectors molded in the top. I have a lot of practice in that area. Some day I WILL capture that sucker in the action, and when it happens, I will be ready. In the meantime, I continue to try to manufacture a good "bad" battery on purpose and with understanding of what made the difference.
Good Luck All,
Randy

[Turion]

Most of the AGM batteries have an indent that runs around just below the top. If you cut the top off at that indent (which is where you would think the top should logically be) you will cut the connectors between the cells right off. You have to cut halfway between this indent and the top of the battery to preserve those connectors. Many times I will just go ahead and cut them off and use jumpers to connect all the plates of the cells together.

I too have spent a LOT of time cutting batteries apart. ('ve pretty much figured out what I have to do on MOST of them to keep from messing them up. It was a trial and error process that cost me a few batteries in the beginning.

Still doing 30 minute runs with the motor on the two charged primaries with a 1 hour rest in between. Will start that up again in the morning.

Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

I too have spent a LOT of time cutting batteries apart. ('ve pretty much figured out what I have to do on MOST of them to keep from messing them up. It was a trial and error process that cost me a few batteries in the beginning.

Dave,
Have you ever tried to get a scope shot of the wave form on individual cells when the battery looked promising? Or Matt?

Randy

[Turion]

I have not, but I have a battery right now that was a GREAT bad battery, and I have taken it apart and just let it set for the last five months. It is one that I have toconnect the cells to each other with jumpers, but it will work. I will give that atry over the next couple days and see if I can get a scope shot off the individual cells.

Dave

[erfinder]

Dave,

Have you had time to finish building and testing the generator?

Regards

[Skeptic]

SG and PH

Randy: Very interesting post. What an advantage it is in having multiple people doing good creative research on a project. Do you think that the sulfated plates are obscuring a hidden potential remaining charge in the battery that could be liberated when the sulfate breaks up and goes into solution?