3 Battery Generating System

[Skeptic]

Turion - Great videos - Thanks for running those. It was very interesting watching the test in progress. I have a charger that has an on-board fan that I run from a sealed 12v lead acid motorcycle (or hobby) battery to charge my LiPo RC heli (Blade 400). I notice that when charging and I also hook up my 12v charger to the battery, the voltage increases immediately (the fan speeds up) and will continue to increase as the lead acid battery charges and again when the LiPo batteries are full and the charger goes to standby. The amp meter on the 12v charger will continue to decrease to 0 as the lead acid battery continues to accumulate a charge. Your test reminded me of that as you tested the voltages while the batteries were connected to the system. Although voltage is an easy way to get an estimate of the charge, the voltages might be lower if tested after the wires are disconnected. I would be interested in the specific gravity of each cell in each of the 3 batteries in phase 1 (before the test) and phase 3 (after an optimum run to maximize the charges). This is because specific gravity is considered by some to be more accurate than simple voltage as a test for remaining capacity. When using voltage, other factors have to compensated for to get a good capacity reading. A good hands off way to test capacity (you may have tried this) is to connect an inverter, a filament style light bulb, and an old style plug in electric clock (available at your local garage sale ) to a battery (set the clock at 12:00 and see where it stops). That would also be a good before and after test for all 3 batteries before and after). I really would be thrilled to see an increase of energy in the system after the run.

What do you think?

[Turion]

Randy,
So two dead batteries in parallel in the third position? Or are are you connected to the two positives for the two connections to the bad battery? (one to the good battery and one to the motor...which is what it sounds like, but want to be sure) or do you connect one bad battery as usual and the negative of the other bad battery to it (neg to neg) and leave one positive hanging in the air. Not clear about this. Sorry.
What kind of batteries are you using AGM or SLA?
Are all four batteries the same kind?
Are all four batteries the same amp hours?
If so, how many amp hours are they?

I can run over to Batteries + and pick up some more dead batteries


Dave

[tachyoncatcher]

Excellent! You are closer to indirectly replicating my work than anyone on this forum... motor will become a magnetic self oscillating apparatusExcellent work...keep it up...

Regards

I never said I used a stock motor. Nor am I using the 3BGS pulse motor. One of my own design. But the comment above makes me think we are aligned in our thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
Randy

[Turion]

Skeptic,
What you are measuring when you use an inverter at all is the point at which less than 12 volts goes to the inverter, because at that point it shuts off, and so does anything connected to it. I have been down that road.

What I measured was how long the motor would run on 2 fully charged 12 volt batteries. It was 25 hours and 31 minutes. I will be running the 3BGS for several days of testing, no more than 20 minutes at a time, and at the end of that time, I will see if I can run it for 25 hours and 31 minutes without recharging. I already KNOW I can, because I have done it before, but I'm always willing to demonstrate this stuff to people who might be interested.

Dave

[erfinder]

I never said I used a stock motor. Nor am I using the 3BGS pulse motor. One of my own design. But the comment above makes me think we are aligned in our thinking. Thanks for the compliment.
Randy

Your own design....cool....care to give a few details....I can show you the self oscillation, square wave building phenomena if your interested....I would like to hear more about your rig....


Regards

[Skeptic]

Turion: Thank you for the explanation! I do not have experience with inverters. Motor run time will still be a good metric. Here's an interest page on voltage and battery charge state. Motorhome and Caravan Info Australia » Blog Archive » Why Battery Voltage Does NOT Indicate Battery Charge State

[tachyoncatcher]

Randy,
So two dead batteries in parallel in the third position? Or are are you connected to the two positives for the two connections to the bad battery? (one to the good battery and one to the motor...which is what it sounds like, but want to be sure) or do you connect one bad battery as usual and the negative of the other bad battery to it (neg to neg) and leave one positive hanging in the air. Not clear about this. Sorry.
What kind of batteries are you using AGM or SLA?
Are all four batteries the same kind?
Are all four batteries the same amp hours?
If so, how many amp hours are they?
I can run over to Batteries + and pick up some more dead batteries
Dave

The two open negative posts are used in place of the 3rd battery's + and - posts. I am currently using AGMs. I don't have the patients you do, I use 7Ah batteries. So my tests are quickly conclusive. A 5 amp drain on a 7 Ah battery will tell a story real quick. All batteries are identical. I think it only matters that the source batteries match and the transducer? batteries match. I will draw this up when I have more time.
Randy

[Turion]

Randy,
I've got a bunch of different sized AGM's and will throw that circuit together and watch it while I am doing my other testing today. Are you running any loads off of any of the batteries? If so, which ones. When you draw it up, please show where you are connecting loads and how much. I'd like to replicate as closely as possible. Batteries definitely WON'T be a problem. As for the motor you are using, is it a modified Razor Scooter motor, or have you gone to a different chassis for your motor design work?

This fits right in with what I was talking about last night, when I said I thought we needed to supply one end of battery three with power and then the other end of battery thee once it had swapped polarities. By putting TWO batteries in the third position with the positives facing out, the current can hit the "bad" battery from either direction with the exact same result. We don't HAVE to flip the battery around to get the result we want. Duhhh

Luther and I have talked AT LENGTH on the phone about the 3BGS...especially the performance of my original. If you believe as I do, that when you measure voltage across the bad battery you are measuring the difference between the two good batteries in series and what is in the bad battery, it makes sense that this voltage reading goes down from 24 volts as the bad battery begins charging up. Even though the voltage that is accumulating in the bad battery is a negative voltage (for lack of a better word.) This would explain WHY the motor shut off on my original. When the voltage in the bad battery becomes so high, it tries to force itself back through the motor against the flow of "positive" voltage from the source batteries.The motor reaches a point where those equalize from both sides and shuts off because there is no "flow". It is at the center, or the bloch wall position in a magnet. Of course, this is just my theory, but it is the only way I could explain the motor shutting off and immediately the bad battery jumped to 24 volts, because it didn't hold a charge. It would TAKE one, either positive or negative, but wouldn't hold it. The motor now sees a flow and begins to run, and the process is repeated. When loads were connected to battery 3, power was consumed that would have gone back toward the motor to fight what was coming from the primaries. The motor never reached that point where it was the center between pos and neg, so it never shut off, and continued to run.

What we have NOT found is a battery that immediately LOSES ALL CHARGE the moment the motor shuts off.

Babble, babble, babble. That's why I started this forum...so I could throw all these ideas out here and we can discuss them and figure this thing out. I know Duncan will have some fun with all of this.

Dave

[LutherG]

AC Battery

The two open positive posts are used in place of the 3rd battery's + and - posts. I am currently using AGMs. I don't have the patients you do, I use 7Ah batteries. So my tests are quickly conclusive. A 5 amp drain on a 7 Ah battery will tell a story real quick. All batteries are identical. I think it only matters that the source batteries match and the transducer? batteries match. I will draw this up when I have more time.
Randy

Hi Randy,

You turned a DC battery into an AC battery. It can also begin to look a little like a center-tapped transformer...

Thanks for sharing this with the group.

Regards,

Luther

[tachyoncatcher]

My Process so far

I use 5 batteries. All AGM 12v 7Ah. They are as follows:

• 2 source batteries, full charge, radiant conditioned. Charged with a SSG.

• 2 transducer batteries (3rd position), DEAD, no conditioning to start with. The ones I have been using with this setup have 0.1v and 6v. These charges have moved around about a volt during testing. Nothing significant.

• 1 Buffer battery, drained charge (11.5v to 12v), radiant conditioned. This I use for my loads.

I always use a load. After all, if it can't stand up to that what use is it? This is my test setup. My load is usually a 2000w msw inverter with a resistive load. Light bulb, 40-200w incandescent. I follow Turion's schematic except for:
My motor is on the positive side of the source. My buffer battery is connected to the transducer(3rd batteries) as Turion shows a load, my inverter is connected in parallel with the buffer battery. No resistors or diodes. This is my setup today. It changes with the wind.

Good Luck,
Randy

[Turion]

Randy,
Attached is what I interpret from what you are saying. Can you correct this when you get a chance?
Thanks

Test (setup and start voltages Skeptic Test 9 - YouTube
Test (end voltages) Skeptic Test 10 - YouTube

Dave

I have tried the setup I show here (Schematic I drew of what I THINK Randy means) with two different sets of bad batteries. So far, I haven't been able to get the motor to start up. Will keep working on it. Usually when I connect a load across battery 3 the motor starts, but not in this case for some reason.
DELETED SCHEMATIC...see Randy's post above.

[tachyoncatcher]

Runs

Dave,
You got it, except I was wrong about the polarity of my transducer batteries. The positives are connected (see drawing). Whoops, my bad. My buffer battery is usually drained. Not sure if that matters during startup, but I don't want energy from the buffer polluting my test results. I have enough power in that battery to run the inverter with a load for about a minute before the inverter shuts down and starts beeping. So, I connect my loads to the inverter. Turn on the inverter. Then quickly connect my motor. It starts immediately as the load is already on. If I futz around with the connections, the inverter will shut down. This has been my experience.
Good Luck,
Randy

[Duncan]

quite right David .. still digesting that

so we are getting very very close, boys and girls .. and yes your Right David Randy's disclosure takes a little thinking about and well done a.king if its grown from a seed you planted. Needs must I occupy myself with things in and around whilst I try to digest,Its how I roll so there's a few things and thoughts I'd like to bring your attention to first ... Here's Alex Jones covering energy (which he doesn't do very often), pick it up about one hour in. Whilst it doesn't point out what we should do, Its made very clear what we should not,
The Alex Jones Show - Sunday, July 07, 2013 (Full Show): Jim Marrs - YouTube
I have seen many times folks come on forum talking about “my system” what's the point of having a” my system” ? I wonder what people intend for “their system” I like to think the thrust of this thread is to contest the evil state of this world, an evil which seems to infest every fibre of the “free energy” movement... but a little more on that in a moment. As for 3BGS IMHO we need to..
Get it cheap,get it simple,get it easy to make get it reliable and more importantly get it out there.
And if we are lucky we might even get out alive ourself s .
As you have just heard and know very well (unless your a total nit wit) nothing else has been able to get the job done , and its clear that all the “my systems”
have been done over and over again, nothing new, nothing invented .. we are quite literally “exhuming the dead” the “my system” guys are simply part of the problem... Ghoul's feasting on the bodies of previous murdered developers .. So Gollum has his ring … enjoy it whilst you may,My precious … but Smeagol, I wouldn’t be inclined to hold onto it for to long.





It seems a very simple good and evil situation. I often think of the last energy conference I attended amongst the display items was the 3BGS genesis a working computer controlled Tesla switch.
So where is it? Patented? So called “development” ? Investment bankster's NDAs? Military classification? Who knows
Whatever, it is not out here in the big wide world is it ? another win for evil, and evil demons.
As Orion says reflect adapt and then march onwards, so called “free energy” has been experienced by nearly everybody on this thread, Never mind the $60,000 Alex Jones talked of for a hydrogen system … The potential is here to get the job done for $600 or much much less and a simple shed build too!
This system can drive an inverter and simply “take over”I'm sure the packs on the right scent even if one or two of the hounds get lost in the long grass now and then.
As you know I am a huge Fan of EPDs work even if I am in the deep end and need water wings ,
It was then with some annoyance I listened to this Interview

Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube

There must be something backward in that country surly ? You have a huge national asset in that man, He's even tried to save the countries national assets himself … It looks like he's here again full circle about to be raped and pillaged, damaged and hurt, yet again.
As I commented earlier evil seems to ingress into all things “ free energy” we need to force our way though it , If not how are all our your grandchildren going to view us? Assuming they survive of course.
As for Eric surly there's some media tyke or baseball player with a lump of property that needs looking after ..and wouldn't mind a resident genius and his coyote in the 3 phase Garage.
All quite depressing. What about a Chicken supervisor Kerry? or a new building Plot “guard coyote”David?.... Mind I guess coyote's and chickens is a bad mix now I think about it.
Now lets see what's next to have a grump at
.

[Duncan]

if a picture paints a thousand words ..

OK Randy that's cooked for a while … although perhaps not glazed yet … here's the way through at least a little bit of this maze I guess although we may view the “force” as different .. who cares ?
If it works .. This chapter is closed.
The ambition is surly to get this thing under control .. move the maths and science into this dimension so that we may have some perspective of it.
OK they say a picture paints a thousand words .. then can a few pictures paint a chapter?
Whilst giving this not to much consideration (lest I hurt myself) I come up with this...
Déjà vu ? This is the Wheatstone bridge.. an extremely sensitive piece of test equipment for accurately measuring resistance .. the maths and theory beyond doubt.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...stone_Bridge.s
R2 X Rx = R1 X R3 at balance nothing much more to be said about that ! Charles Wheatstone , Jolly good egg!
Of course we humans are never satisfied so that’s the DC resistance bridge ,, where's the AC and all its scribble involving impedance ?
Here it is boys and girls just as well inspected to the nth degree …

Electrical Theory: Understanding the AC Wheatstone Bridge - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

bit of a bonce ache … but you can do this! … Now lookee here ..
Here's an obscure circuit for an extremely wide band SWR meter (SWR= power factor = resonance ) all be it in Spanish but I'm sure if you take a little time you can see each element of “the bridge” applied here .. can you see ?

Wideband SWR Meter



I do hope you get the picture … the bridge is equally applicable to AC and very high frequencies
now lets muck about with Randy's drawing .. even though I have no permisso .. he's an
understanding sort of guy and all round “Jolly good egg” although I haven't quite grasped what intellectual property may be I must confess, I hope I don't trample on it as I mess with his drawing.
I also hope there's not to many loons here... about to rush off shouting “my system” what is it with these bangers? No spine? I don't know .. anyway go scribble with this and see what resolve there is
here is Randy's drawing because of course
“a thing of beauty is a joy forever”
John Keats



and here I fiddle with the masterpiece like giving Mona Lisa a wart … (the smile was probably wind anyway.)



so come all Ye scribblers get on the case … I have to be sober to mess with the J operator a state I don’t appreciate on Saturday ... and am certainly not in just at this moment in time. Give us direction ]

[Turion]

We CAN change the world. All it takes is some committed people (committed to our cause, not to an institution) and a heck of a lot of hard work. We will figure this out. And when we do, all the attention that is elsewhere will be focused right here on THIS group of people who are putting this puzzle together piece by piece. I don't for a second mean to take ANYTHING away from people like Eric, or John B. They have done amazing things, and have advanced the cause by light years, but I don't get to ride around in a Bedinimobile or a Dollardmobile. We need to bring a device to the public for FREE that can provide a source of free energy. And we need to do it NOW.

Dave