3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

The ones we are using are the 24 volt model. You can usually find them on ebay. I just bought one five minutes ago for $33, including shipping, and have a bid in on one for $15 plus 30 shipping.


Dave

[Duncan]

roll on

Yeah I knew I had it Randy I had trouble with the gollum when I wanted to post … as for distractions I don't know about that so much …. there is a logical progression step by step even if it does seem a little insane at times. Being a Radio Amateur as well as an electrician perhaps I view things a little skewed . Or maybe I have factored in a few more outrageous possibilities I do know I have drawn those circuits by intention not accident .. and the circuits and particularly the Wheatstone bridge you drew allowed me to see more of the picture.
Although you are focusing avidly on the effect that has been missed (understandably) I think you'll find the other two states are equally important . In the first place good engineering practice dictates that the energy from the supply should be minimal .. even though of course you can loop
and pray just where is minimal energy from the source ?
Why Its at resonance so to build anything at all there has to be an engineering idea at the core … I suggest that’s a good starting point .. after all you are not going to engineer in the direction of something that consumes huge amounts of power and fries … are you ?

My Thoughts on series resonance and reception of Aetheric energy take rather more explaining as I view it in RF terms as an antenna system .. more or less inverted in the way it operates, obviously I don't fully understand it myself, rather like changing from a right hand drive to a left hand drive car everything seems odd and backwards for a short while, then you just start "doing it" and quickly accept this arse about face arrangement.
So just to try and keep it in grasp of everybody imagine you wished to pick up and listen to a local radio station and so you built yourself a simple crystal set to do the job ,




Well it will be just spiffing …. that coil and capacitor form a resonant parallel circuit .. you tune it to the frequency of the radio station you wish to listen to … maximum voltage is presented to the headphones which are usually about 2 K ohms .. this is the impedance matching part of the equation for maximum power transfer if you put a magnetic earphone there .. you'll hear a big fat nothing.
The quality of the tuned circuit then is also very important and is Known as the Q of the circuit.
Now remove the coil and the capacitor, does your radio still work with just an antenna, ground, diode
& headphones ? Strangely yes .. It will be very feeble .. it will pick up every station in range simultaneously, however you will be able to hear it , it will be a functioning radio just not a very good one... not focused and no real power
So now Randy we consider the RF linear wave you wish to receive and utilise … everything’s backward .. rather than a very good antenna and a passable ground … a very good ground and a passable antenna are the requirements. (as your finding out) the transverse electromagnetic wave feeds into
a parallel tuned circuit who's purpose is to create maximum voltage with minimum current. As in the crystal set above.
The linear wave not surprisingly feeds into a series resonant circuit which results in minimum voltage and maximum current , (which your also finding out as it fries all your battery posts.)
So what I suggest here is whilst the magnetic effect I have just shown will probably work to some extent in a feeble un-tuned state if you want the thing to really sing and dance tune it ! It is what you are doing when you alter motor speed or add loads
Make it series resonant to the longitudinal ground waves and I think you'll find it'll blow the roof off.
There's obviously a lot more sleepless nights gone into that than I have outlined there .. Involving harmonics and overtones and grids and insulators and many emails back and forth with Kerry
but that's a sort of “potted version” of how I see it... or at least that part of it.
So distraction ?
Well perhaps in so much as it has kept us away from the magnetic effect, but it also pulled me along by the nose ring too and vola! There's the next piece I didn't just stumble upon it … I was looking for it. And If you hadn't drawn the Wheatstone bridge I certainly would not have been.
Balanced … resonant … In -tune with the ground wave for what Its worth I think each part of the whole is important and I can see how quite a few of these machines used to work now (In theory at least) I haven't got the remotest Idea about battery chemistry and what may be happening there however … I was considered far to stupid for chemistry at school, and was assigned to “rural science” which basically meant four hours picking up litter. I kinda rely on Kerry and you Randy for the chemical stuff.
Anyway I like the sound of instant fully charged batteries …. Tesla once rolled a snow ball, here's what happened

Tesla was roaming in the mountains with some chums one winter day after a storm in which the snow fell moist and sticky. A small snowball rolled on the ground quickly gathered more snow to itself and soon became a big one that was not too easy to move. Tiring of making snowmen and snow houses on level stretches of ground, the boys took to throwing snowballs down the sloping ground of the mountain. Most of them were duds-that is, they got stalled in the soft snow before they accumulated additional volume. A few rolled a distance, grew larger and then bogged down and stopped. One, however, found just the right conditions; it rolled until it was a large ball and then spread out, rolling up the snow at the sides as if it were rolling up a giant carpet, and then suddenly it turned into an avalanche. Soon an irresistible mass of snow was moving down the steep slope. It stripped the mountainside clean of snow, trees, soil and everything else it could carry before it and with it. The great mass landed in the valley below with a thud that shook the mountain. The boys were frightened because there was snow above them on the mountain that might have been shaken into a downward slide, carrying them along buried in it.
This event made a profound impression on Tesla and it dominated a great deal of his thinking in later life. He had witnessed a snowball weighing a few ounces starting an irresistible, devastating movement of thousands of tons of inert matter. It convinced him that there are tremendous forces locked up in Nature that can be released in gigantic amounts, for useful as well as destructive purposes, by the employment of small trigger forces. He was always on the lookout for such triggers in his later experiments.

Well boys and girls I think whilst we have been playing one of them snowballs has just got rolled!
I hope it lands safely and on target! I suspect nothings going to stop it now anyway

[Duncan]

more grist to the mill!

An interesting thought keeps niggling at the back of my mind regarding this system , its this .. at resonance transverse electricity (that's the stuff we are familiar with) and is composed of volts and amps becomes air born .. that is becomes an electromagnetic wave . The electromagnetic wave in turn is of course made up of two components electrostatic and magnetic, Indeed its taught rather like this ..

Anatomy of an Electromagnetic Wave - Mission:Science

The electromagnetic wave being predominant in the transverse electricity system . And the electrostatic wave being short lived and radiating only a short distance.
The point I make here is there are always pairs . We are obviously latching onto to one of them and it seems to have magnetic content ? ? I would expect another much stronger effect to be about with some sort of electrostatic response .. not that I'm complaining of course .. free energy is free energy I just start to wonder where it lurks. I would expect the electrostatic to predominate in the linear wave ..RF system.
I start to wonder if we are not using magnetics to tune the system whilst the battery responds to the electrostatic content .. hard to say we are on strange ground .

[Turion]

Duncan,
I think the tuning was what I was seeing today when I was watching the voltage on the buffer battery. When both sides of the system are balanced to each other, the voltage on the buffer battery remains the same. You add whatever load you want to either side, then watch the buffer battery to see what you have to do to balance the system. Adding loads to the inverter or removing loads from the motor makes the voltage go down. Adding loads to the motor or removing loads from the inverter makes the voltage go up. When the voltage is holding steady, the primaries begin to slowly charge while you are running loads on both sides. I wouldn't doubt that you can add all you want as long as you balance it out, and the buffer battery voltage SEEMS to be the key.

Now what we need is a system where the load on one side is a known fixed load so that all we have to do is add or subtract loads from the other side OR the output from both sides goes to the SAME load and we adjust how MUCH of that load is supported by either side. As an example, 30% comes from the left and 70% comes from the right and the the voltage on the buffer is going up, we somehow adjust the contributions of both sides until the voltage on the buffer stabilizes.

There is work to be done, but we are really close. Some electrical engineers who know there stuff could probably figure this out in a few hours....Provided they believed this was real in the first place. LOL

Dave

[Duncan]

tits on a kipper

I think you'll find its just about been figured … as for the control there are two ways to approach IMHO , the one I've drawn is I think the easiest and that is to make the impedance .. power transfer .. to the battery appear so huge as to be “infinite” - that is how I've drawn it and is one of the reasons for the air gaps. That is “the preferred method” IMHO however there are of course other alternatives using quite easy feed back loops with dirt cheap ICs a very simple book explaining all this with practical circuits and schematics is

Practical Electronic Control Projects BP Bishop O N 0859343774 0859343774 | eBay

If you wish to go that way Its pretty easy now its established as a Wheatstone bridge since loading the opposite arm brings it back to resonance. That actually was one of its original jobs as a impedance matching system for telegraph lines.
As for “real electrical engineers” .. well they haven’t exactly blasted a trail over the last 150 years have they ? … I'm quite sure they will prove equally useless now … Indeed I am a so called electrical engineer myself and I have had to spend hours and hours un - learning and trying to get rid of the stuff I was force fed, so I think you can forget the Idea of a “really good electrical engineer” anyone who's classically trained is about as much use here as “tits on a kipper”
anyway as Randy says “Its been nailed” its just putting it to bed now.
On a brighter note I've managed to discover some reasonable sized ferrite toroids .. I shall be winding and building soon ! Trouble is they must come from ex USSR never mind beggars cant be choosers.

[tachyoncatcher]

Now we're talking

An interesting thought keeps niggling at the back of my mind regarding this system , its this .. at resonance transverse electricity (that's the stuff we are familiar with) and is composed of volts and amps becomes air born .. that is becomes an electromagnetic wave . The electromagnetic wave in turn is of course made up of two components electrostatic and magnetic, Indeed its taught rather like this ..

Anatomy of an Electromagnetic Wave - Mission:Science

The electromagnetic wave being predominant in the transverse electricity system . And the electrostatic wave being short lived and radiating only a short distance.
The point I make here is there are always pairs . We are obviously latching onto to one of them and it seems to have magnetic content ? ? I would expect another much stronger effect to be about with some sort of electrostatic response .. not that I'm complaining of course .. free energy is free energy I just start to wonder where it lurks. I would expect the electrostatic to predominate in the linear wave ..RF system.
I start to wonder if we are not using magnetics to tune the system whilst the battery responds to the electrostatic content .. hard to say we are on strange ground .

Duncan,
I'm sorry, I didn't communicate well. Engineering IS important and we do need to pay attention to consumption and design. What I was talking about was the true beast that is causing environmental harvesting. It is NOT the electron flow. The statement above is the closest you have been.
Thanks,
Randy

[OrionLightShip]

A good scratch is like an orgasm

to my genius friends!

Now to reduce this to an art beyond batteries!
Something is tickling the aether. Fix it Duncan.

Please clarify what you mean about pre 1945 iron. We can get iron of any purity needed, it is just expensive. Are you talking about a specific alloy?

scratch scratch scratch

[tachyoncatcher]

to my genius friends!

Now to reduce this to an art beyond batteries!
Something is tickling the aether. Fix it Duncan.

Please clarify what you mean about pre 1945 iron. We can get iron of any purity needed, it is just expensive. Are you talking about a specific alloy?

scratch scratch scratch

You better stop that. You'll go blind
Randy

[Turion]

Orion,
I had the conversation with Duncan about the iron. There were statements made that the atomic testing somehow changed all the iron on the surface of the earth, so what Duncan wants is some older iron that was under water at the time, because even iron that was down in mines was affected, but the water shielded any iron that was under the water at the time.

[a.king21]

Dave and Randy:
1 Is the start behavior of the modified system the same as the original. ie Do we still have to wait several minutes for the system to kick in?
(Getting info whilst waiting for my scooter motor to arrive).
2 Coils on the motor. Is it just a simple case of coils being moved by the motor across a magnet or are we doing a Bedini with his complicated circuitry?

[OrionLightShip]

.. probably no bad batteries will be required …

Nope, no bad batteries required

The motors job here is in theory at least just to supply a variable frequency supply.

I don't think the frequency is critical or has to be variable if you can tune the other circuit parameters. The critical factor is the availability of harmonic rich noise so that when a resonant condition occurs with "tuning", you end up with the needed overtones.

Unless In some way we don’t understand yet the magnetic core of the motor has a part to play.

The motor creates all parts of the necessary equation. It is all required, the magnetic compression wave and the 3-6-9. I will expand on this later.

It is the bit Orion suggested "I fix" ..

Your "fixing" inspires me more than you know.


we'll see soon David It'll have to be tried I'm sure Orion will grasp the concept pretty quickly if he's not in intensive care.

I live! and itch.

Make it series resonant to the longitudinal ground waves and I think you'll find it'll blow the roof off.

Yes it certainly will. Although there is much to be said for "controlling the beast". I'm going to redraw the above schematic to show what Tesla did at Colorado Springs and meant to do at WardenCliff and how that plays into 3BGS. I'll create a PDF and expound of my theory.

There's obviously a lot more sleepless nights gone into that than I have outlined there .. Involving harmonics and overtones and grids and insulators and many emails back and forth with Kerry but that's a sort of “potted version” of how I see it... or at least that part of it.
So distraction ?

Nope.....Inspiration! Every hour of lost sleep and every minute lost to day dreams was well worth it.

Well perhaps in so much as it has kept us away from the magnetic effect, but it also pulled me along by the nose ring too and vola! There's the next piece I didn't just stumble upon it … I was looking for it.

There is no such thing as luck and coincidence. Look for synchronicity and you will find the spirit of the Universe

The electromagnetic wave in turn is of course made up of two components
The point I make here is there are always pairs.

free energy is free energy I just start to wonder where it lurks.

It lives and breathes in SPIN. Everything you can see and can't see in the Universe spins, with the exception of our moon.


I start to wonder if we are not using magnetics to tune the system whilst the battery responds to the electrostatic content .. hard to say we are on strange ground .

Now you're fixing it!

Strange ground indeed....perhaps even a bit holographic with a strong dependency on interference patterns on the quantum scale of things

ten letters

[Turion]

a.king21,
With this modified setup you don't have to wait. Since there is a load across battery three because of the buffer battery in parallel to which the inverter is attached and loads on that inverter, the setup starts the second you throw the switch.

As to the circuitry and the motor...Several different topographies of motor construction have been used here. I am currently using an off the shelf razor scooter motor and mine is working. I have a rewound pulse motor that Matt Jones designed, and that seems to work a little better. Randy has a motor he has designed that he believes works best. These may make the power output of the system increase

For me, the less work YOU have to do to see a working system, the better I feel about it and your opportunity for success. The off the shelf motor works. I can balance the system and run it all day without drawing down on my primaries. The only circuitry is the connections we have shown in the schematic.

I am running 18 watts of load off my inverter, which is not a lot, but do the math..
10 hour run yesterday at .15 = 3 amp hours
8 hour run the day before at .15 = 1.2 amp hours
10 hour run of the stock motor @ 11 amps = 110 amp hours (This is running the stock motor turning another motor as generator...based on the readings of both a digital meter and an analogue in line gauge) It does NOT take into consideration the LOAD put on that motor when I had it hooked up to the 25 watt bulb for the entire run, which I am sure drew even more amps)
8 hour run of the motor @ 11 amps = 88 amp hours.
And the battery is still charged, so will be running it again today to add to these totals.

Somebody tell me how many amp hours we have to pull out of two 18 amp hour batteries before people wake up and start building this thing? ANd it is still going.

Dave

[a.king21]

Turion: It's great news. I take it that you are not experiencing problems with the bad battery becoming "good".
I wouldn't worry about other people, everything that works will eventually come out. Let's just concentrate on improving the system. The world can take care of itself.

[garrypm]

Motor load

Hi Dave,

I think it may be important to highlight that your off the shelf motor
is actually loaded by driving a similar motor that is used as a generator. And
maybe you are loading this generator to bring out the effect.

Guys that maybe trying to replicate and not using Randy's modded motor,
may not see what you are seeing using just a single motor.

I am so thankful, this find you have, is bearing fruit - thank you for your persistence and good luck.

Cheers, Garry

[Turion]

Gary,

The videos I have been posting are of my BIG setup, which is an off the shelf Razor scooter motor running my (two big flywheel) generator without any gen coils on it, and it is getting the same results as the one Razor shaft connected to another Razor. So I am getting similar results off of TWO different setups using off the shelf motors. BUT you HAVE to put some kind of a load on the motors. If you go back to the very FIRST post I made on this forum, requirement #4 said you HAVE to have a load on the motor. That was there for a reason. I NEVER try to get results without a load on the motor. I learned that early on. Don't ask me why. It's just one of those things I learned by smacking my head against the wall over and over.

Dave