3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

shylo,
Are you using all AGM's? Which circuit are you using? Are the primary AGM's conditioned? Have you tried (-) conditioning the bad batteries as Matt has shown?

Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to get a handle on where you are at and what we can do to help you be successful.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Randy

When I get to testing the choke system on the 3bgs, if it shows promise I will post drawings.
I believe truly, from what I have seen out of the motors that this phenomena is very simple and has more to do with some internal resonance in the AGM bats than anything else. But since I had never run the thing completely AGM dead batts and primary batts well I had never seen results. So I just tried to look for things that would give the results with no luck.

Now I have seen and can replicate the results including now making the dead batts go negative and we'll see about the rest.

One thing I can assure you of is that I will not give false info. I may share ideas for you to try. I may draw concept circuit that don't work in reality but I just do it to make people think in practical terms. Not to mislead.

So everyone is free to make the choice...

We (David and I) are shooting for a semi intelligence system in which you can add loads too, for example a DC motor or a DC to AC converter that will do useful work and self tune. I can personally see this being a reality and easily duplicated thorugh an Open source platform.

How all that happens is not as important as using when it happens. No matter the apparatus that is used to make it happen.

I have personal experience with alot of systems that do close to the same thing as this system. The Tesla Switch the Benitez Switch and anything that was similar I have built and either made work or not. But I have never claimed to make them work and not been able to prove it. Some of the work though is kept under tight lipped people. This is the nature of the beast.

So anyone who feels like Duncan feels is no longer a friend but if your reading this thread feel free to try anything I have posted and then counter me on it if it did not work for you. I welcome it. Babble of the mystical magical world is not something that impresses me. It merely a tool for the unknowing to keep themselves at admirable level of knowledge. Its Babble!!!! And there should be skepticism of it with out proof.

Proof is what I do...

Matt

[Mario]

Hi Matt and all,

I ran a few more tests with different transformers, the switch was on the neg side of the primaries. I have tried the transducers in every position polarity-wise speaking, even a big electrolitic cap (47'000 uF), but no matter what I tried, the primaries always dropped. Be it the 7Ah gel cells or 12Ah motorcycle batts...

Question: in your last setup you were talking about, you ran a motor, correct? After conditioning your transducers negatively, are you using only one now or still two with pos. connected?

Are Gel cell batts AGM?

thanks for your time and efforts,

Mario

[a.king21]

You gotta look at this.

I've been studying again because I've come across a Brazilian bunch who've claimed to have replicated Kapanadze.
I tried to buy a unit but they said it was only for local sale. However they produced a lot of patents last month.

Here are 2 links worth a read. One contains diagrams, the other the machine English translation from Portuguese.

https://www.google.com/patents/WO201...ed=0CEgQ6AEwAg


ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE FOR CAPTURING ELECTRONS FROM THE GROUND TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY
As far as I can ascertain they are saying this (my interpretation).
Most of us played with Crystal sets. We all know the minute we put on a good earth the power went up many fold.
What these guys are saying is that the same analogy applies to the Kapanadze device.

In a transformer L1 is the transmitter, L2 is the receiver, and by adding an inductive earth looped onto L2 you get 100 times the input power.
There just might be something in these patents that triggers an "AHA", which is why I am posting this.

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt and all,

I ran a few more tests with different transformers, the switch was on the neg side of the primaries. I have tried the transducers in every position polarity-wise speaking, even a big electrolitic cap (47'000 uF), but no matter what I tried, the primaries always dropped. Be it the 7Ah gel cells or 12Ah motorcycle batts...

Question: in your last setup you were talking about, you ran a motor, correct? After conditioning your transducers negatively, are you using only one now or still two with pos. connected?

Are Gel cell batts AGM?

thanks for your time and efforts,

Mario

Hey Mario

This is the circiut I ran.
https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...capmodtest.jpg

My primaries are 2x,7 ah AGMs. The transducers are 2x, 4 amp hour AGM Dead as a door nail. The cap is a very small 1uF 16v can type. I ran razor scooter motor. The inverter was on the buffer battery and it had a 7 watt load.

I have not seen any effect out of any other battery type. So I broke down and bought some AGM's for testing.
I think David is running some tests with combination of battery types to see if the effect happens under any combination. He can report when he is done.

I think the AGM's are part of the overall effect more than any one thing. If you not seeing any results see if you can get your hands on some AGM type batteries.

Cheers
Matt

[Matthew Jones]

I made some changes to this schematic so its easier to understand. I left a few things out on accident.

https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...capmodtest.jpg

Matt

[garrypm]

Hi Matt,

Why do I always get a "certificate error" from you website?

Cheers, Garry

[Matthew Jones]

I do not know. First chance I get some time I am going to call them. Its happened before but it went away. It seems to be permanent this time so I need to "PULL TEETH" and deal with the provider.

Sorry
Matt

[Mario]

Hi Matt,

I just checked. My Yuasa NP7-12 7Ah batts are Glass matt absorbtion (AGM). Guess I have to work on my transducers and try the cap in between.

It would be interesting for everyone who had success to list exactly what brand/model/size batteries he used and in what position.

Mario

[garrypm]

Cheers Matt, Garry

[Turion]

Mario,
In the runs you said did not work, it is my understanding that you are using a transformer instead of a motor. Is that correct? Or was it a brushed DC motor. Just want to be sure what the components are when things don't go right.

Dave

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

yes with transformer, but before that with motor. I'll copy what I wrote a few days ago:

yesterday I run my setup with two 7Ah 12v primaries, two transducers and buffer battery, all 7Ah. My motor with same motor as generator shaft coupled was pulling about 4-4.5 A, so I put about 50W in light bulbs as a load on the buffer to balance the system.
The primaries were dropping all the time, even when balancing so that the buffer wouldn't charge or drop. After about 20 minutes the motor was so hot that its bearing melted the plastic encasing it...gone... This was a Johnson dc motor for 12V, 18000 rpm pulling 1.5 A unloaded.

The transducer batts were connected as per latest schematic, I didn't use the bifilar coil.
Don't know, maybe the load was to big for 7Ah batts. I think I'll have another run with a transformer, much easier to control with PWM.

Mario

[blackchisel97]

I made some changes to this schematic so its easier to understand. I left a few things out on accident.

https://www.matthewcjones.com/powerB...capmodtest.jpg

Matt

Matt, I was wondering if using bipolar capacitor would make any sense here?
I connected couple different batteries to the signal generator and looked at the wave at resonant points. Liquid acid battery responded more vigorously than SLAB and wave form was different. This could be a reason why this circuit is so unpredictable and hard to replicate, since each battery may have different characteristics. However, they must have something in common, at least among certain types.

Regards
Vtech

[Turion]

Mario,
I have no idea why the motor would run so hot like that. It's something I have not seen before. I would guess that whatever was responsible for making the motor run so hot is also responsible for the setup drawing down on the primaries, but I have no way of knowing. In all the setups I have run the motor runs cooler and stronger rather than overheating. Except ONE, and that was because I had a bad motor I was using as a generator and it was binding up, putting a lot of load on my drive motor, but still it never got THAT hot.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Matt, I was wondering if using bipolar capacitor would make any sense here?
I connected couple different batteries to the signal generator and looked at the wave at resonant points. Liquid acid battery responded more vigorously than SLAB and wave form was different. This could be a reason why this circuit is so unpredictable and hard to replicate, since each battery may have different characteristics. However, they must have something in common, at least among certain types.

Regards
Vtech

I am going to spend time this weekend collecting the waveforms from around the system. My scope will capture them then I can hook up and try to copy them. I think soon I'll have to look into getting a separate setup all AGM to see if that make much pf a difference.

I am not sure about Bipolar cap. The point of the cap is to keep both batteries hooked up opposite poles from the primaries To keep normal current from flowing through. Bipolar may pass current not sure. But it might be worth a try.

I'll get some runs in this weekend and we'll see whats what. Hopefully we can find a way to start pushing heavier loads.

Matt