3 Battery Generating System

[tachyoncatcher]

Chain

Dear all

Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W (not attached, chain missing)
cubalibre

Welcome @cubalibre!
Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
Nice start.
Good Luck,
Randy

[a.king21]

Welcome @cubalibre!
Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
Nice start.
Good Luck,
Randy

Thanks, just bought a couple. Now to wait for that slow boat from China...

[cubalibre]

Welcome @cubalibre!
Here is what I used instead of a chain. No friction loss, quiet, and if you are going to buy that chain, this is much cheaper.
Tight Flexible Shaft 10 mm x 10 mm CNC Stepper Motor Coupling Coupler D 25 L 30 | eBay
Nice start.
Good Luck,
Randy

Till now I did not manage to dismount the chain wheels mounted and glued on the motor shafts, 11 Teeth. Therefore I ordered the adapted pocket bike chain, pitch 6.5mm, about 20$.
Even though your coupler would run smoother, thats right.
Regards
cubalibre

[Skeptic]

Turion:

You said "You've just hit the nail on the head as far as what the problem is. I brought this to the forum to get a bunch of people involved in figuring out a solution and to work together toward a common goal. Instead, what we have is three or four people spending a lot of money and time building and then the rest sitting back and handing out theory while they try to get others to do the work for them. So why should those of us who are doing the work share where we are with anyone?"

Virtually every principle known to man has an accompanying proof of concept that clearly demonstrates the validity of that principle. If something is true, there must be a way to clearly demonstrate it. I'm afraid that this group has put far too much time, energy, and money into this project to seriously seek proof of concept when there is a chance that the entire premise of 3BGS may not hold up to the concept of more energy available then is initially put into the system. I realize that at this point the system is not a "turn-key" application that can be switched on at will. This does not mean however, that a convincing proof of concept cannot be constructed. It just makes it more difficult and requires persistent and repeated effort. Putting that much effort into something that could possibly "pull the rug out" goes against human nature. That's why the proof of concept should occur as early as possible in the project. It has been said of 3BGS in the past (paraphrasing) "We do not need proof of concept - we already know it works". I maintain that you owe it to yourselves to pursue a solid proof of concept, no matter what the outcome. If it cannot be proven, then you will see one thing after another that will go wrong in the attempt. At some point, one would have to admit that there is no additional energy to be had. On the other hand, if the proof can be obtained, they you will have more people willing to help and spend time and money to refine the process. You would not be doing this for me, but for yourselves. You would either stop wasting your time or get the help you need to be a success. There is third possibility in that you enjoy the pursuit, and don't care if it never ends. There's nothing wrong with that! You're not hurting anyone and it IS a fascinating way to spend your time (and money).

Best of luck - I'm not holding my breath on this one

By the way - I make my living making sure that very large software systems do what they are supposed to on data that is accurate. In other words, a paid skeptic.

[Matthew Jones]

Turion:

Best of luck - I'm not holding my breath on this one

By the way - I make my living making sure that very large software systems do what they are supposed to on data that is accurate. In other words, a paid skeptic.

Well that's to be expected...The skeptic comes in when things are slow and spews BS about how we have to prove this.
DUH... Many people have already proven it. On a small scale anyway.

Did you prove it?? Or are you one of those not willing to follow the instructions or not use the correct material so it didn't work for you???

No worries though I understand what your trying to say. Its not that you want to make all the hard work look bad or anything.....Its not that all the people who have seen work are liars or anything.....

Your trying to bolster yourself into a higher authoritarian position because in reality you were to lazy to even try. So instead of posting results you post you arrogance.

Its lucky we have already anticipated this behavior, because your type is a dime a dozen around here, and we are working hard on a KIT, for people who are unskilled such as yourself, That will work right out of the box. Not for profit, just proof.

So then if you actually know anything you'll be able to measure and see results. Oh that is if your not to busy or you can actually afford it, with that wonderful job of yours.

Matt

[Turion]

Skeptic,
I agree that the we probably haven't demonstrated to the satisfaction of folks like yourself that there is anything to this. And I STILL need to do that. Just so many things going on in my life at this point in time that I haven't gotten around to the mundane task of proving that this is viable.

There are reasonsI haven't felt the need to justify myself or this work, and one day soon those will become apparent. I will still try to get around to running the tests for you, but let's just say we've already convinced the people who matter the most, and things are happening behind the scenes. I tried to share this for the benefit of everyone, and it has taken some interesting turns. I have been told that the chief design engineer of a major company wants to meet with me this coming week about some of the stuff one of his employees has seen in my basement, so things are moving forward.

My own son, who is an engineer, and who is COO of one company and CEO of his own company has spent many hours of his time working with me on this and he has seen what happens with this setup. So running tests for someone else who could run their OWN tests really isn't my highest priority and I'm afraid it will always get pushed to the back burner. Especially now that I have some folks involved who WILL be running exactly those kinds of tests in a research laboratory environments rather than in my basement. I will share when that happens.

Dave

[liber63]

I think that is good news Dave, with the company people! Even more experiments! You must be the supervisor though, right?

To skeptic and not only
A bit over two months I am testing the 3BGS, oh well, 5BGS now, and works like a charm.
I bought 2 brushed motors 200 watt, and have done many runs.
My motors are used ones and batteries small 7 AH. I always lose a bit, like 0,2 or 0,4 volts but I have runs over 1 hour and a half for the 2 motors with loads, sometimes heavy ones. Sometimes i light few bulbs as well at the same time.
Even without following the exact instructions, like a coil or ground, or bigger batteries or bigger motors, the setup works!
The only problem is, am getting literaly exhuasted by trying to balance all the time, like every half a minute or so and that's the reason I cannot have bigger runs.
Dave, how to make it more automatic or at least find a more steady way for balancing? I believe it could be done electronically but I have no idea how.

I also put the transducers in the freezer for few days. When after I tried them, the system worked like rock steady! The voltage didn't move at all!! I kept the batteries with ice covered during the time of the test. Has anybody tried that yet? The second time I tried that, didn't work as exactly as the first time.

Panos

[Turion]

liber63,
I've never tried freezing the batteries! LOL That's a new one. Matt has had a LOT of success with all good batteries and some simple electronic switching, so putting some stuff together for folks may be in the works soon. Our goal has never ben to make money off this from selling "kits" as others have done, but with some simple electronics you can get some steady results, and that's what it's all about. When everyone can see that, so there is NO QUESTION this is for real, we will be where we want to be.

I can tell you that with larger batteries it is easier to keep the setup stable. I can get mine (5BGS) to run for 30-45 minutes without having to adjust loads at all, and it is only when you are out of balance that you are going to use that .2 or .4 volts on your primaries. As Luther and I have discussed many, MANY times. The bigger you make this thing the more stable it becomes. The bigger the motors and the batteries, the bigger the loads. And the bigger the loads, the longer you can get it to stay perfectly balanced. The buffer battery is the key, and those who know how to write code and use instruments can put together a system that will increase loads or decrease loads based on what is going on with the buffer battery while running a steady load on the motor, such as a generator.

Dave

[liber63]

He, he. Now you got me laughing too at my ideas! I was thinking milion of things.
That's just one I could try!
30 to 45 minutes without adjusting the load, is like heaven for me! You live already in paradise man! You just don't know it! Or maybe you do!
I will have to buy these bigger bats and big motors asap. That's a real revelation for me. 45 minutes!!!
Will be in touch!

Panos

[Turion]

liber63,
Before you spend the money on that, wait to see what Matt shares. I know he has a stable setup that is NOT running down the primaries using only good batteries and some switching. The primaries don't increase in charge, but you get the motor to run loads for free, and that isn't anything to sneeze at.

[gnino]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rO968rWQU8I
Hi folks Watch this video i think could be a solid state version
Of the 3 battery system, he's using Only 2 battery but the principle is the same.
P.s. Matt your benitez system on what patent is based?
Ciao Luca!!!!

[bbem]

@gnino,
What a coincident, I was just running the same circuit (on the left of the video).
It was shown here:
Joule thief - RE-EMF Charger - by Rene - YouTube
And discussed here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...f-charger.html

When you listen carefully to the video you posted, it seems like the dogs in the neighborhood are in state of OU because of the joule thief

Bert

[Skeptic]

Response

Well that's to be expected...The skeptic comes in when things are slow and spews BS about how we have to prove this.
DUH... Many people have already proven it. On a small scale anyway.

Did you prove it?? Or are you one of those not willing to follow the instructions or not use the correct material so it didn't work for you???

No worries though I understand what your trying to say. Its not that you want to make all the hard work look bad or anything.....Its not that all the people who have seen work are liars or anything.....

Your trying to bolster yourself into a higher authoritarian position because in reality you were to lazy to even try. So instead of posting results you post you arrogance.

Its lucky we have already anticipated this behavior, because your type is a dime a dozen around here, and we are working hard on a KIT, for people who are unskilled such as yourself, That will work right out of the box. Not for profit, just proof.

So then if you actually know anything you'll be able to measure and see results. Oh that is if your not to busy or you can actually afford it, with that wonderful job of yours.

Matt

Matt:

Attacking me is just a way to change the subject and I will not respond in kind. It doesn't change the fact that there is no clear proof of concept for 3BGS. If it's real, there must be a way to clearly show it. It is a time proven concept to wait for a clear proof of concept before jumping in with time, effort, and money. It seems rather unfair to call anyone lazy for not getting involved when there is no clear proof of concept. The whole point of the proof of concept is to get seriously minded and qualified talent to get involved. Want more people involved? Produce a clear proof of concept. This is how it's been done for hundreds of years. Why? Because it works. In this case, if successful, it would turn the scientific world on it's ear I would like to see that since I really want you guys to succeed.

I'll even give a relatively inexpensive example of a clear proof of concept. To be fair, the person who knows the most about running the 3BGS should be the one to do the test.

Hook up a water pump and accurate flow meter to all the batteries before running the 3BGS and record how much water is pumped from a small tank (and recycled back into the same tank). Then recharge the batteries and run 3BGS to a point that you believe there is more energy available and run the same test again. If significantly more water is pumped, then you have your proof along with many more people willing to invest time and money in the project, if not, then you do not have any additional energy. This test only measures work actually done regardless of motor speed (within limits). It would be hard to ignore 100 gallons pumped before and 150 after in repeated tests.

It doesn't matter what anyone believes will happen. Results speak for themselves. Look, every new invention has started out with people like yourselves seeing something that has promise. This needs to be converted into something that anyone can clearly see. That's why a proof of concept is so valuable - it simplifies the concept to the point that it doesn't require one to get involved before seeing that there is something there to be investigated. This causes huge interest and attracts talented people to help ensure the success of the invention. Do not underestimate what you had to learn before seeing results. A proof of concept lets anyone see results quickly without going through your learning curve.

This type of discovery with a successful proof of concept would no doubt attract more people then you would believe. Why? Because it would appear to violate the known laws of physics or at the very least demands a new law or principal be discovered.

Such a challenge could not be ignored by the scientific community as it would be of Nobel prize caliber.

Good Luck

[Skeptic]

Turion,

As always, thank you for your direct and factual reply. You make some good points but I still hope to convince you of the value of proof of concept. What do you think of the test I suggested in my reply to Matt? If it works, the same motor/pump might be used as the load for the 3BGS in order to account for that work done as well! This would be a valid way of accounting for the additional work done by 3BGS while it's running. If everyone could use the same exact test with the same equipment, one might find some modifications or tweaks in 3BGS that increase efficiency since everyone testing seems to have modified it in some way. So in addition to being a proof of concept, it could also serve as a universal "yardstick" comparing apples to apples across all developers of 3BGS.

Thanks!

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

I agree with Skeptic. We need some proof, videos and numbers to validate the claim. What's wrong to be a little skeptic anyway? So much complicated bull**** in this world full of corruption. Too much scamers and yeah, I don't want to be the fish head one more time. Soon this thread will go dead for good if no simple OU tests aren't done properly. We are trusting you and will be patient but please consider to do some. Many Many peoples don't even understand the working principle but are very influent peoples (power involved to bring this technology up and have money to do so). I've always built things with DETAILED plans. I'm a good teacher too but I need to have the truth on hand first hand. Good day to you all.
Jean