3 Battery Generating System

[Sawt2]

Dave
That is very interesting!!
I will have to try that.
Sawt2

Just a little setup here for the video I am going to link to. This is just the basic 3BGS setup which uses 3 batteries (Batteries one and two are good and battery 3 is bad) and a DC motor. This time I used three DC motors.

Negative of battery 1 connected to Positive of battery 2
Negative of battery 2 connected to Negative of battery 3.
Positive of battery 3 connected to one side of brushed DC motor
The other side of the motor goes back to the Positive of battery 1.

Connect it up and measure the RPM of the motor. Connect a volt meter to the negative of battery 3 and then touch the positive lead to each side of the motor. You will notice that the voltage is different from one side of the motor to the other. For quite a while it has been our OPINION that the setup allows the GENERATED voltage from the motor to come out the wires because the motor is attached between two positives.


Run the same setup with the three motors wired in series. The free wire on the last motor is connected back to the Positive of battery one.

In the video, notice the RPM of the second motor is higher than the first and the RPM of the 3rd is higher than the second. You can't measure amp draw with a motor running between positives, so what I did was charge my batteries, then run with a single motor until I ran my batteries down and then recharged them and ran with 3 motors. I got a longer run time with three motors.

I would invite some of you to try this. My intention is to continue to add motors, attaching a generator shaft to the last motor to see if I can get enough output to do something interesting with. My questions are these: How many motors can we run in series here without additional draw down on the primaries? How much will the RPMs of the motors increase as we add motors? What will be the voltage output from the final motor back into the batteries? Can this system eventually be looped, or could a generator attached to the last motor provide the power to run the whole thing?

3 3BGS - YouTube

Let the games begin.


Dave

[liber63]

Affirmative

Hi Dave!
With only the 3 batteries seems to last a lot longer if we use many motors in series.
In my setup i used a string for a load on the third (last) motor that connects to the negative of bad battery.
Did you try it with a load on 'bad' battery Dave?
I think I saw in your video that all motors were going counterclockwise. Is that right? Does it make any difference?
MAH07621 - YouTube
Panos
ps: In the video I made a mistake. I am actually splitting the positives. 3rd motor(with the load) goes to positive of bad battery.

[Matthew Jones]

Maybe you should try to connect the last motor to the first motor and see if you can't get a run away type effect. Use the gain on the last motor to overdrive the first motor which in turn adds power to the last motor, ect, ect...

I would measure the current between each battery with a clamp and see if it goes up or down. Higher voltages will increase the speed if they come at no cost to current than you have a documented gain.

Matt

[Turion]

liber63
I was running a small auto tail light as a load across battery 3. It ALSO appeared to me that I got longer run times off my primaries the more motors I put in series, so I am glad you are seeing the same thing. Now if a bunch more folks will jump in here and see if they get the same results we might be on to something.

Matt,
I thought about shaft connecting last motor physically to first motor, or putting a chin drive around all three motors so last motor also assists second motor, and I will give that a try. I wanted to get some more motors into the lineup first, but maybe that would be a good next step. I posted because I wanted to see if anyone else could repeat this with the same results. I hate when I try something and I am the only one who sees a difference. It makes me nuts.

I remember reading in the original post where I saw this circuit being used with a light and the statement was made that electricity went through the light from the two batteries to the discharged battery and none of it was "consumed" by the light, which is why I wanted to try the motor instead of the light. Now I'm wondering how MANY motors you can run in series without affecting the output from the primaries.
Dave

[liber63]

Hi!
I did put all my 4 motors in series. First 2 200watt and the last 2motors 350w. Same as previous but now 4 motors, and the 1st connected with 4th (pulley driven-mechanically), as you suggested Matt. (well, I am not very sure if that was your suggestion, you might very well meant electrically, but anyway)
I would say overall had excellent performance. I cannot say better than previous but very good.
Primaries were at 13,12volt before start. After start dropped to 12,64 and slowly were climbing for the next 15 minutes to 12,69. Then stabilized for another fifteen minutes and then dropped 1st primary0,01volt and 2nd prim 0,03v for then next 15 minutes. Totally 45 minutes with insignificant loss. Amazing!
Before this setup I run another one with 3 motors independently. I noticed 2 things: First thing was that voltages of the motors were not steady but moved between a range. First motor moved between a range of voltage, say of 0,25 volts. The second motor between a range of voltage of 0,13 volts and the third motor around a range of 0,07 volts. Like every new motor the range was halfed! (Last one appeared more stable of all)
The second thing was that when 1st motor's voltage was going up, the 2 others' were going down and vise versa.
Panos

[Turion]

Pulsed Motors

liber63,
Thanks for posting your results. I am seeing basically the same thing you are.

Matt,
I wish I had three or four of your rewound pulse motors to try this with!!
Dave

[Matthew Jones]

You know how to make them LOL

Matt

[Turion]

Unfortunately, I do, so I have no excuse! LOL. I ordered four from E-Bay last night along with a shunt wound DC motor to use as a drive motor for the generator.

Dave

[Turion]

Today I tried the same thing with 8 Motors 9-18 volt that you get at Radio Shack. I had to go to three different Radio Shacks to get that many motors, and one of them did NOT work, so I was only able to hook seven in series. They are all running now. I do NOT see the increase in RPM's from #1 to #7, and nothing exciting appears to be happening as far as primaries maintaining voltage. Maybe these are just not good enough quality motors.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

The current may be limited to much.

Matt

[Turion]

Replicate!

I've tried it with three and four razor scooter motors and am getting GREAT results. Need some folks to try it with big or bigger motors. I have three more motors on order, but won't be here for a few days.

Dave

[Bob Smith]

I've tried it with three and four razor scooter motors and am getting GREAT results. Need some folks to try it with big or bigger motors. I have three more motors on order, but won't be here for a few days.

Dave

Can't help but wonder if you're creating multiple points of entry for radiant energy with the combined on-off switching of each motor, and perhaps even heterodyning frequencies, creating new points of RE entry. That is, exciting the electrostatic environment at multiple frequencies to allow RE to enter the system.

[Matthew Jones]

Can't help but wonder if you're creating multiple points of entry for radiant energy with the combined on-off switching of each motor, and perhaps even heterodyning frequencies, creating new points of RE entry. That is, exciting the electrostatic environment at multiple frequencies to allow RE to enter the system.

I do not know if it has as much to do with entry points as it does stepping up the voltage. With the 3 motors the current drops slightly between each motor but the voltage goes up. So at some point the voltage is high enough when hits the dead battery on the positive plates it induces the opposite charge on the negative plates and charges the primaries on the ground side.

I think 3 boost oscillators might do the same thing, maybe just one with a big enough coil.

Matt

[Turion]

I have a three motor setup that has been running for five hours now and is still going strong. The interesting part is that the light attached to battery 3 WILL NOT LIGHT UP. It barely lit up when first connected, and when I connected a 25 watt bulb along with it, neither light would come on, and yet the motors are running STRONG.

3Motor 3BGS - YouTube

I took this video an hour ago and the motors are STILL running.

UPDATE: At 11:00 PM all three motors are still running full speed. That's over 10 hours now. The voltage on battery 1 has dropped to FIVE volts. If this run replicates my LAST run, the voltage on battery one will drop to ZERO, the polarity will flip. and the voltage will begin to climb in the negative.

UPDATE: It is now 6:30 AM and the three motors have been running for about 17 1/2 hours on two 17 amp hour batteries that weren't even fully charged. Make your own assessment of how important this is. I will continue to update. Maybe someone will take enough interest to replicate. Vlotage on battery one has stabilized at between five and six volts. Battery two is between 11 and 12 volts, and the motors haven't slowed down at all. So if the batteries are this dead, where is the power coming from to run these motors continuously?

I should mention that I began this current run with FOUR motors, but the fourth motor just wouldn't turn. Not enough volts or amps or whatever. I tried two different motors. So I reduced down to three motors, which seems to be the most I can run. I haven't tried adding a fifth motor, so maybe there is something about having an odd number that will make it work with five. I will try that next….if this run ever ends.

Dave

[Turion]

Editing my previous post is a pain and takes too long, so I am not going to edit anymore…just add a new post.

Almost noon and motors are still going strong. That's 22 1/2 hours of running three motors on two partially charged 18 amp hour batteries. I will continue to post every four or five hours until it quits running. Somebody let me now when they think it has exceeded why two batteries should be able to put out.

One primary is reading just over 4 volts now and the other at 11.2. Battery three has never gone above a volt.

Dave