3 Battery Generating System

[Turion]

I mentioned a couple posts ago about the series of videos I did when the system was working one time, but I forgot to post the link here. There are like 9 or 10 videos, and I did them for a couple friends of mine that have been working on the 3BGS for a few years right along with me, so they aren't really meant for the public. They were not intended to PROVE anything to anybody because the people who they were made for already BELIEVE, since they have seen similar results on their OWN bench. They were just to document what I had going on. But I thought they might be of some interest to folks here. The one thing I constantly hear is that the voltage readings I am getting are just a "fluff" charge on my batteries, and not real. But when you have (as I have) run loads that exceed the rated amp hour capacity of your batteries by 9 or 10 times, you really don't CARE if it is a "fluff" charge reading or not. As long as you are getting 10 times as much as you should out of the battery, who CARES what the meter says. And since I have been doing this for over 8 years now, I have a fairly GOOD idea of how long a particular battery will run a stock Razor Scooter motor and a load before that battery is "empty". Anyway, here is the first of the videos, which will get you to my YouTube channel and you can find the other eight or nine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlHYBtbQ2m0

battman, thanks for posting here. It is people like you who will keep this thread alive until SOMEONE figures this thing out. The one important thing this has reinforced for me is that if you want to find a battery that will work for you in the third position, you need to find a battery that will take a charge, but NOT HOLD IT. If you look at my VERY FIRST post you will see that in my description of the bad battery I used on my VERY FIRST setup I stated that it would take a charge, but not hold it. I didn't realize how important that was at the time, and it was YEARS before I came to understand that it is CRITICAL to seeing the kind of results I want you to see that you have a battery like that in the 3rd position. Without it, you will NOT get the kind of results that are possible. In fact, I am going back right now to edit that first post to make that abundantly clear to everyone!

[shylo]

charging

Well today I was running the 3bgs , I had 2 dead batteries paralleled so I could have more capacity.
I ran the grounds which are all tied together, through some ground rods.
My dead batteries were at 4.4vdc, my primaries were at 26vdc.
After 2 hours of run time my primaries are at 26.3vdc , my dead bats are at 12.6vdc.
I was running Matts new motor between the positives of the primaries and the positive of the dead batteries.
I ran this before but I didn't use ground rods, and the primaries lost.
This weekend should prove interesting.
artv

[Turion]

When I lived in San Jose and worked on the 3BGS in my basement, I would attach the ground to the copper water pipe and get extended run times, but I never got an increase in the primaries. Thanks for posting that though. Maybe you have a better ground than I had. Ossie Callanan has said we need a bunch of dead batteries for HIS free energy device and others are working on extracting energy from the ground. Maybe you have found the simple answer. You said "through some ground rods" How many ground rods, what distance apart, what size, what length, what configuration?

Dave

[shylo]

Hi Dave , I just had 2 pieces of 1/2in copper pipe, I lined them up with magnetic north (I've heard to do that figured it can't hurt). I spaced them ~6ft apart ,the north pipe is ~3ft deep and the south is~2ft deep.
When I first hooked it up as usual the primaries were dropping and the dead batts climbing no motor action, The primaries went down to 22.4 the dead up to 12.01 ,motor started ran for ~2 hours started getting dark so I shut down for the night.
I just checked this morning primaries 25.7, dead 12.16 will be doing tests this weekend.
Btw I connected the north rod to the ground of the primaries and the south to the dead batts. I know that sounds like a short but will test without the rods connected.
artv

[Turion]

shylo,
I did a setup last night with two dead batteries in parallel and a single ground rod of copper coated steel ( A standard electrical grounding rod) pounded in two feet deep and connected to the negatives of the two dead batteries in parallel and by extension the negative of one of the two primaries that had it's negative connected to the negative of the dead batteries. I did not connect to the negative of the other primary, and I did not use two grounding rods, because I hadn't seen your post yet, so didn't know your configuration. I ran it from 8:45 until 3:30 in the morning, pulling about .4 amps according to my meter. ( stock motor, unloaded.)

Bad batt 1 4.76 after almost 7 hour run 12.26
Bad batt 2 .64 after almost 7 hour run 11.78

Primary 1 12.66 after almost 7 hour run 12.36
Primary 2 12.53 after almost 7 hour run 12.19

After two hour rest, primaries were still not back up to what they had been at the beginning. They are on the charger now. I will put in a second grounding rod and try again once they have been charged back up. Just to be clear, BOTH of your primaries had negative connected to the north rod and Both of your dead batteries had negative connected to the south rod. Correct?

According to your data, your primaries started at a combined 26 volts
Climbed to 26.3 after a two hour run
Were at 25.6 this morning after resting all night.

I know from experience that you will get one reading on the primaries when they are "running" a different reading when they are "off" and a third reading if you disconnect everything and read each primary separately. If we are to compare data accurately, we need to establish a constant for the way we take readings. I believe the best way is to disconnect the batteries so that they are standing alone and read them that way. (And individually rather than in series, because it also gives us information on which primary drops the most in voltage or GAINS the most in voltage.) From now on, that is the way they will be when I take my readings. This means no readings will be shared that were taken while the thing is running. Those readings are for my information only. Hope that works for you. It is a bit of a pain in the butt, but I want to make sure data is consistent and not open to any misinterpretation. A few tenths of a volt here or there is the difference between a circuit that works and one that doesn't.

Dave

[shylo]

Hi Dave, I had the ground rods connected with only the one ground of the primaries and both grounds of the dead ones. The ground of the primaries at 24 volt connection, I did later try at the 12 volt connection.
Anyway the next day I drained the now charged dead batts , repeated the exact same set-up ,the dead batts charged up faster but the primaries didn't drop as far but didn't climb like the night before.
Could it be in the first run the dead batts had sat for over 6 months?
Also Friday night when I first connected and ran it was raining, Sat it was sunny and hot.
Well back to the drawing board currently running a motor off the dead batts which is turning a gen but when I connect the gen back into the dead batts things get real hot real fast.
Tried to hook the gen directly to Matts motor but I can't get them lined up too much vibration.
Lots of ideas yet.
artv

[Turion]

3BGS plus a boost...

I had a thought a while back about the fact that the motor seems to increase the voltage coming from the two batteries in series before it gets to the 3rd battery, which is part of what allows the 3rd battery to charge. With that in mind, I asked Matt if there wasn't a way we could boost the voltage coming out of the motor to REALLY charge battery 3, and he came up with a circuit which I have been playing around with for a while now. I get different results depending on the "Boost Module" I am using and the voltage that hits battery 3. I have two batteries in parallel as my 3rd battery and two primaries in series. The goal for me has been to
1. Run a motor
2. Turn a generator
3. Use generated voltage to power a small load
4. Keep the primaries from discharging too far down
5. Charge the secondary (parallel) batteries quickly

I did a number of runs prior to my trip to Arizona, and now that I am back, I intend to do many, many more. What I am seeing is that I can get increases in my charge batteries that are far greater than the losses in my primary batteries while still running a motor as generator and powering a small load.

The simple boost module I am using is here: 150W DC DC Boost Converter 10 32V to 12 35V 6A Step Up Voltage Charger Power | eBay

A video of the setup I am running is here:
Boost Circuit - YouTube

My latest test results for a 30 minute run are as follows.

The two primary batteries in series:
Battery One start voltage 12.59 end 12.56 (after two hour rest)
Battery Two start voltage 12.54 end 12.50 (after two hour rest)

The two batteries in parallel
Battery Three start voltage 12.39 end 12.57 (after two hour rest)
Battery Four start voltage 12.48 end 12.58 (after two hour rest)

The idea would be to then flip the two batteries in series with the two batteries in parallel and continue to use the motor to run a generator powering a load.

I will also post this info on the Basic Free Energy Device thread, as using the 3BGS type setup is critical, I believe, to building a Basic Free Energy Device.

I should mention that I also have been trying a boost module with a higher voltage output, and have had different test results depending on the output voltage of the boost module. Some MORE successful than the results I posted here, which did show a drop in the primaries But hey, results are results. We learn from our successes AND from our failures.

[shylo]

Hi Dave ,I just ordered a couple of those boost converters.
Was that meter reading what was going into your bulb?
Also you have one motor driving the other as a gen right? Not to be picky but they sounded kinda ruff not lined up so good or is it something else?
I'll be trying my new wind this weekend with the 3BGS, I posted about it in Carrolls' thread.
artv

[Turion]

Yeah, one of the motors is REAL rough...as in burnt up. I smoked it trying to turn my big generator with it, plus there were definitely some alignment problems also. And at this point I don't remember if it is the drive motor or the generator motor that has issues, so I will have to pull it apart to see. Yes, the meter was reading what was going straight out of the motor into the bulb without a full wave bridge or anything in between.

I'm going to put together a motor setup of a couple good motors here in a few days, and I bought a bunch of 400 amp hour 6 volt deep cycle batteries, so I can do some serious testing of the potential of this setup. I've has some test runs where the primaries did not drop at all....or only like .01 during a 30 minute run. I don't mind if they drop SOME, as long as the gains to the two batteries in parallel are higher than the losses of the two batteries in series. I bought a battery analyzer to measure capacitance, to make sure that when I get readings, they reflect what is really going on with the batteries and not fluff charges.

Dave

[shylo]

Hi Dave been testing , and trying many configurations, The 3BGS definitely gives longer runs.
I tried putting the output from the collector brushes into,.. 1st the back primary,then the front primary, and last the charge battery.
By putting the collectors into the back primary, I get gain across the board.
The other two scienarios showed loss.
I then added a flywheel to the motor and the gains were the same.
This was just a motor running, I will add a generator in place of the flywheel.
The motor basically runs on nothing, I did a whole day of runs , add up the voltages of the 3 batteries , I'm seeing a gain, and that's after an 1 hour rest.
artv

[Turion]

shylo,
We need to be using three sets of batteries. A set of two primaries in series, a set of two charging batteries in parallel, and a third set of batteries that have been charged up and are resting before being moved into the primary position So six batteries in all.

I am seeing little or no loss with the boost circuit. Starting some seriously long testing runs in the next couple days. Expecting two new razor scooter motors in the mail tomorrow.

Dave

[Turion]

Long term runs, minor losses to primaries, higher gains to charge batteries. Switching positions of batteries between each of several LONG runs shows net gains on ALL batteries. Basically the motor runs the generator "for free" . Period.

It boils down to what is the best generator to attach to the motor. Matt has things in the works, and there is the Mr. Angus Wangus videos to consider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsy2TvOIjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7_O5D4Eww

The only concern now is whether this circuit causes long term harm to the batteries...shortens their usable life span. Only time will tell.

[Turion]

The End

Rick Frederick just released this amazing information for all the world to see....how to run motors without having to pay to do it.

https://youtu.be/SE-AiC9yiFc

If you have ever built the 3BGS or any of the other circuits we have shown on this thread for the last four or five years, you will see that there may be some....similarities. Possibly. Maybe. I think I first posted about running motors this way about 8 years ago.

Now since then a lot has changed. We understand how to take the power that is produced and use it many ways before you dump it into a storage device so it can run external loads. Rick says you can use it two or three times. I have to agree. The boost circuit lets us run motors on higher voltage at low amps, and produce even HIGHER voltage with the coil collapse. The trick is knowing what to do with all that high voltage to turn it into usable energy and to run loads or generate power. I haven't seen Rick's stuff firsthand, but I do know people who have his motor and it is not a self runner, so I'm not quite sure what he has. I do know what the POTENTIAL is.

I wanted to post this here as kind of a parting tribute to the 3BGS, because the exploration of that particular basic circuit has probably outlived it's usefulness. What we have learned will be taken to our work on the "Basic Free Energy Device" thread, and we will leave this one to gather dust. Adios folks. It's been fun, but unless I accidentally replicate my original discovery and somehow figure out how to maintain that "bad battery" as a negative resistor, I doubt I will ever post on this particular thread again.

Dave

[DavidE]

Turion/David

One thing that I have always admired about you - is your ability to separate alternative energy ideas from personalities or controversy. I mention this because what you have posted here is a very mixed message series of shares.

Much of the alternative energy content that was shared in the YouTube you noted, was discovered and shared by many AE notables prior to this. So this specific effort should be observed just as a drumbeat reminder as to fundamentals that show AE promise. We should be very careful in assigning more credit to it then that.

These are what I do believe to be AE stepping stones. But each of us still need to help write the final chapter to practical devices, while never forgetting the work and the inventors that have gone before us. That is the spirit, that will likely advance us all.

[THEminoly]

While watching that vid, I immediately thought of JB then you and came here to see what's what...
Cheers
Patrick

Rick Frederick just released this amazing information for all the world to see....how to run motors without having to pay to do it.

https://youtu.be/SE-AiC9yiFc

If you have ever built the 3BGS or any of the other circuits we have shown on this thread for the last four or five years, you will see that there may be some....similarities. Possibly. Maybe. I think I first posted about running motors this way about 8 years ago.

Now since then a lot has changed. We understand how to take the power that is produced and use it many ways before you dump it into a storage device so it can run external loads. Rick says you can use it two or three times. I have to agree. The boost circuit lets us run motors on higher voltage at low amps, and produce even HIGHER voltage with the coil collapse. The trick is knowing what to do with all that high voltage to turn it into usable energy and to run loads or generate power. I haven't seen Rick's stuff firsthand, but I do know people who have his motor and it is not a self runner, so I'm not quite sure what he has. I do know what the POTENTIAL is.

I wanted to post this here as kind of a parting tribute to the 3BGS, because the exploration of that particular basic circuit has probably outlived it's usefulness. What we have learned will be taken to our work on the "Basic Free Energy Device" thread, and we will leave this one to gather dust. Adios folks. It's been fun, but unless I accidentally replicate my original discovery and somehow figure out how to maintain that "bad battery" as a negative resistor, I doubt I will ever post on this particular thread again.

Dave