3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

Hope will remain

Bromikey,
Sorry to hear about your Dad. It's part of our lives unfortunately.

Things have been very slow indeed here on this forum. Especially this thread.

Turion. Hope you feel better soon. Old age and ugliness have slowed me down to nothing some days. Spend more time at the VA Clinic than in my shop it seems.

But in the face of it all I still have hope and believe. The design of this world is to beat down and even kill those who oppose the destroyers of this wonderful home. We can die as humans, but the dreams we live and want can't be killed.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Back to normal

Happy Mother's day to All the moms out there.

Been down two days with stomach virus. Really felt crappy. Literally.

Back now and after Mom's Day festivities will try to get down to the shop. The bad thing about stopping for a day or two during a build is disruption of the thoughts you had in place. I don't like to start and stop projects. Too hard to get back that same train of thought again.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Back to FE adventure

Back home again after sickness and VA appointments.

Rain is pouring on this dried up country side here in S. Carolina with hot coffee mixed in cacao,cinnamon and feeling good.

Wanting to get to more work on the 3BGS today as time and life allows. Thanks to members on other threads that post and keep me moving off this couch.

Will connect the second coil today or open up the gap between the coils and rotor. Maybe do both. The second coil has 18 strands instead of the standard 12 that I'll be using on all 10 coils for the generator.

Well time to warm the coffee and sit on front porch with my wife to watch and enjoy life as it rains,
wantomake

[Turion]

Data

How many watts (volts x amps) is it costing you to run your motor?
How many watts are you getting out of a SINGLE coil?

I can’t show you how to get where you want to go without knowing where you are.

I believe you said 12 volts at 10-12 amps is the cost of running the motor.

[wantomake]

Asap

How many watts (volts x amps) is it costing you to run your motor?
How many watts are you getting out of a SINGLE coil?

I can’t show you how to get where you want to go without knowing where you are.

I believe you said 12 volts at 10-12 amps is the cost of running the motor.

As soon as I can get into the shop I'll get that data. At wife's work right now.

wantomake

[Turion]

Generator

I don’t want to confuse folks about what is going on here. The “pot of gold” at the end of the rainbow is understanding the 3 Battery System and LEARNING to use that system to drive your pulse motor for free. PERIOD

If you use the right kind and size of batteries, the right pulse motor and a $3.00 boost module you can make that happen IF you ROTATE your batteries. That’s it. That’s all there is. That’s the whole secret. All the work done by that motor is FREE. Before you do ANYTHING ELSE, learn to do that.


THEN, once the motor is working for free, it is time to look at how to USE that motor most efficiently. A delayed lenz generator is an AWESOME way to efficiently use that motor. Some folks here, in fact the ONLY people who are really posting here, are doing that. Running a water pump to pump water to people who have NO WAY to power a water pump is ALSO a great way to use that motor. You don’t have to generate power to benefit from this system. You DO have to understand it and you have to LIVE outside the box, not just go there once in a while.

The thing is, just knowing how to build a lenz delayed coil is NOT going to get you a generator that puts out much. You might get one or two coils on your generator and put out a couple hundred volts at around 3 amps total. If you get MORE than that, you have information not many people have.

There ARE ways to get more, but although some of it has been talked about here NONE of it has been shown. Why not? Some of it is patentable. We already gave away the pot of gold. If that isn’t enough, too bad. When we’re rich and famous we’ll come back and share more with the three or four people who are actually here building and testing.

[wantomake]

Refinance woes

Been working on getting our home refinanced. Appraiser visit. 25 or more forms to send to the bank. Too much done in one day.

Tomorrow will bring normal things like working in the shop on the project. Normal yes to me it is.

Got much time and work to make up. As I've said life and such slows the build so much.

wantomake

[Turion]

The 6/5 combo will reduce cogging. Get your motor up to speed before introducing coils to the rotor. That will reduce amp draw. Then speed up under load reduces MORE amp draw. Lots of ways to make it better.

[i_ron]

When we’re rich and famous we’ll come back and share more with the three or four people who are actually here building and testing.

Count me in then David.

Here is a pic of my Matt's PDF four battery T switch. In an attempt tp get the lower batteries to charge I have added an Alum 2 volt cell in series with the two upper batteries. Didn't work but here you see it charging and running a 20 watt load

Ron

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[Turion]

Questions

Wantomake,
Did you end up going with a design that will have 12 coils or one that will only have 10?

If you only have 10 coils, my next question is, are the magnets on your rotor arranged N/S, and if so, could they be changed to all N on one side of the rotor?

I know that is MORE work. LOL. So just asking.

[wantomake]

Some answers

Wantomake,
Did you end up going with a design that will have 12 coils or one that will only have 10?

If you only have 10 coils, my next question is, are the magnets on your rotor arranged N/S, and if so, could they be changed to all N on one side of the rotor?

I know that is MORE work. LOL. So just asking.

Dave,
10 coils with 6 magnet positions. They are N/S and can be changed to all N on one side. Why? Yes it will be more work.

Yesterday finally got a full day in the shop. I increased the gap to 3/8" on both sides of the rotor. No more scrubbing against the sides that hold the coils. Still cogging of course but did compromise the amount of output voltage.

Still pulls 10+- amps at full speed. Only got 0.5 amps with a car tail light bulb across the fwbr . The AC coming off the coil was 130 volts +-. (If indeed I measured correctly). Lol.

The 3BGS is not connected to this system. The Matt modified prime mover is powered off solar bank straight 13+- volts. One of the boosters on the 3BGS had a baking party and therefore can't use the 3BGS to test with. Replacement Booster is in the mail.

Why the idea to go all north on the rotor? I put my fingers and the 2" magnets in danger doing so. But mine is only a testing setup at this stage.

So hit me with it Dave. But first it's (say it with me everyone) time to nuke the coffee!!!
wantomake

[axxelxavier]

Greetings,
I am using for my setup 4 x 7 Amp new AGM batt, converted to Alum, a dc-dc converter and a REMF charger (for the fourth battery). The result are so far promising, but I have to run more charging cycles, to settle the alum batteries. I managed to charge 3-rd batt to 13,3 volt (alum), and 4-th batt to 12,8 volt, batt 1 voltage is 11,87, and batt 2 is 11,4 volt. The Bonus was a free light - 2 watt LED, running from REMF coil (ferrite stick all lenght wounded with 0,2 mm wire, with the LED on top ).
I am planning to discharge alum batts to 10 volts limit - so what do you think, is this limit ok, or I should keep discharging only to 11 volt?
On the other hand, I am planning to get a little bigger batteries, as my budget aloud, but the question is: should I get 3 normal car batteries (60-70 Ah) and then convert them to alum, or, option 2, stay with deep cycle 35 AH?
Option 1 - 70 AH
Option 2 - 35 AH
Please use google translate, those pages are in romanian.
Edit: HERE is translation of option 1
and HERE is translation of option 2
Unfortunately, this is what I can choose, right now, so I have to choose something...
One last question: what about THIS inverter?
Best regards,
Teodor

[Matthew Jones]

Alum is junk to start out with and How do you take an AGM battery and convert it to alum. There is no fluid in an AGM battery, it basically moisture between 2 lead plates trapped in a sponge.
Your still running regular lead acid, if your telling the truth.

[axxelxavier]

Actually, I think the batteries are right now a kind of hibrid. I made them with HOT saturated pottasium alum, and the alum solution I think penetrated almost all the sponges from the plates of the batts. They loose 1 volt, but are stronger with each charging cycle, and are VERY stable in 11 volt area.
I tested batteries BEFORE converting to alum, and never have so much power. Actually, I was not able before, to charge batt 3 to almost full capacity. I tried to convert to alum also flooded lead acid batteries, but the result was not very good... I will post later some pictures of my setup, after I get home from work.
Anyway, the question still remain: what is best, bigger capacity flooded acid car battery (70 Ah), or smaller capacity deep cycle (35Ah)?
Best regards,
Teodor

[axxelxavier]

Here is my setup, after a short test with my new 300 watt inverter (0,2 Amp standby current, 9,5 volt shutdown limit, 90% eficiency), I decided to continue with my previous setup - REMF charger in 4 batteries configurations.
Also, I ordered the 40 Ah deep cycle batts, I have chosen quality, not quantity. We will see if I my decision was right or wrong.
I will post the results of my tests, if anyone interested.
Best regards,
Teodor.