3 Battery Generating System

[Doogy2Shoes]

bi,


But then I made the decision to release all of this on the forum? Why? For two reasons.

Two, would YOU feel bad selling someone a flintlock pistol as the "latest technology" when you had a 9mm Glock in your trunk? I would.

What do you mean?

[Turion]

Outdated tech

The generator is outdated tech, which is why spending time on it just to PROVE stuff to people drives me nuts, although I DO still want to build one final version just to incorporate everything I have learned.

[BroMikey]

What do you mean?

Saying one is locked and loaded MEANS he is always ready, I always
say I was born ready goodie2shoes.

Turion

It was hot today. Staying cool inside gets me drilling holes on a project.
The index is 130+ Oh and I really look foreword to this year as my
machine will be up and running.

[Turion]

About charging the battery with pulses...... theres is a pulsing frequency where the impedance of the battery goes to a minimum and THAT is the frequency where the most charge is accepted. When the charge is NOT accepted, the charging pulse is WASTED. When a couple volts or an amp are the difference between success and failure, those things make a difference. (For Lithium ion cells this ACCEPTABLE charging frequency is in the tens of kilohertz range) That is one of the reasons the Matt motor is REQUIRED in the circuits we have shown. Run on the correct voltage it pulses at the frequency we want. I keep saying this is not rocket science, but you DO have to pull your head out and listen to what we say once in a while.

By the way,doesanyone KNOW what that correct frequency is for Lead Acid batteries? Or have you all just been bobbing around in the dark taking your best shot at having anything that works. Research. It is amazing what researchers USED to know that we have all forgotten.

[liber63]

Hi Dave!
You are so right about the right frequency. As far as I remember the right frequency for lead acid bats would be around 100 hertzs. But it's a long time since I 've read that. I may be wrong. So at 2600 rpm/60, x 2 pulses per revolution, with Matt' s motor = around 100. Am I right?

[NROC]

Battery Impedance

Dave has made a really important point about battery impedance here.

If any of you actually want to understand why pulse charging batteries is so useful look up something called Randles model of batteries. The point is that you have 3 to 4 components that the model uses to describe a battery.

Two resistors and a capacitor

Just watch this 4 minute video of it being explained as its easier to understand than reading it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy1xhi4KDrM

Some versions of the model include an inductor as well. In electrical engineering this set of components looks a bit like a filter and if you sweep the frequency response of it you will find that the impedance of this set of components changes depending on the frequency.

There are 3 important parts for us with impedance spectra - the part where the capacitance dominates, the part where the inductance dominates and the part where the impedance goes to minimum (not zero) just the lowest possible value it can have. Sometimes this minimum impedance can net you an extra 10 maybe even 20% better charge acceptance than you would get by just using straight DC. For lithium ion batts straight dc charging and pulsed charging have roughly the same efficiency of around 85% charge efficiency. For lead acid batteries it can be quite alot better than straight dc charging. (Dont ever use HV pulses on a lithium ion battery as you will destroy it, make sure you use high current pulses at around 14.4V.)

The thing with short transient voltage impulses is that they are made up of a large amount of different frequencies that can go through a system, and they can do all sorts of interesting stuff for lead acid batteries. In engineering we would call this shock excitation of a lead acid battery, it doesn't just ring a single frequency in the battery it rings all of them coupled with how many times you pulse it. If you have a little time between impulses it gives time for the charges to be dispersed back into the electrolyte.

Understanding batteries should be really important to anyone who is actually serious about getting these types of systems to work

3bgs with Matts Motor and Daves gen, Tesla switch, Basic free energy device, Benitez, SG and others

Since improving the charging efficiency of a lead acid battery is useful to be able to get extended run times you should really know about it and use it all the time.

[Turion]

If any of you actually want to understand why pulse charging batteries is so useful look up something called Randles model of batteries. The point is that you have 3 to 4 components that the model uses to describe a battery.

the impedance of this set of components changes depending on the frequency.

IMPEDANCE: The difference between success and failure with the 3 Battery system. FREQUENCY: How fast the motor needs to turn to give the battery the correct pulse. If you add the boost module so the pulses hitting the charge battery are 14.5 volts, it allows you to run the modified Matt motor and recover better than 80% of the energy you used by charging battery 3. If you turn a lenz free, magnetic drag free generator, and make up for your losses, the rest is yours to do with as you will. A three coil generator will MORE than prove the point. You don't have to replicate my big machine. Bob French and I are working on a little prototype that he will show you when it is done. I am still working on getting my bigger machine put back together between remodeling projects. Probably another week before that happens.

[Pot head]

I have been purposely silent waiting.
I am gathering the parts for my rebuild.
It will be documented here but I wish to print a book so it will be time consuming.
I share credits on ideas I use from members in the proposed book.
If it’s used I write something like,”bistander suggested using a left handed stem bolt wrench”.
Excellent work Dave Turion and anyone else in on the build.

[Turion]

Rotor Tour

https://youtu.be/VTPZ4qGDP5A

This should give you some info on rotors. Hope it helps. .

[Turion]

Thermodynamics

Please realize that I understand a battery is "DEAD" at around 12.2 volts. Some of what follows is to simplify the explanation.

Some folks would have you believe that when you hook up an electric motor to a battery, the energy stored in the battery goes into the motor and is converted to mechanical energy and some heat, and the motor will run until the battery is “discharged.” By discharged, they mean empty of energy, because the electrical energy has ALL been converted to mechanical. According to modern theory it MUST all be converted to mechanical energy right? Because there is very little or NO energy left in the battery according to the meter, and since it can’t be “created or destroyed” it MUST have been converted to mechanical energy. The voltage or energy in the battery goes down as it is used up, until there is so little left that it is not enough to get the motor to run. Some motors might shut off when nine volts are left in the battery. Some motors might shut off when three volts are left in the battery. What is left will depend on the motor. Result? Empty battery. At least according to current electrical theory.

But what if they are incorrect? What if electricity acts more like water? What if the energy in the battery is all on (for example) the positive plates? There would be a difference in potential between the plates with ALL the energy, and those with none. This is a difference your meter would measure as over “12 volts.” Now if you let the battery set long enough, it will run down. Did you ever wonder WHY? Did the energy “escape” from the battery when it ran down? Was it all converted to heat? Did the energy elves sneak in at night and syphon it all out of the battery? Or is it still there. If energy cannot be destroyed according to the “Laws” of Thermodynamics, what happened to it? What did it get “converted” to. The electrolyte in the battery is the WORST conductor of electricity that anyone could come up with that would STILL CONDUCT well enough to create a circuit. It establishes a weak pathway for the electricity that has been FORCED onto the plates on one side of the battery to make its way to the other empty set of plates in the battery, equalizing between the two. And now your meter registers “0” because there is no difference between the two sets of plates until you “charge” up the battery and force the energy all back to one side. When we connect the motor across the charged battery, that SAME energy simply runs THROUGH the motor and out the other side to the negative plates until BOTH sides of the battery are equal because you have provided it with a PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE in the copper wire of the motor, as compared to the weak electrolyte. Once the two sides have equalized, there is NO current flow, even through almost ALL of the energy is still there. It has just been EQUALLY distributed between the two sets of plates inside the battery. This theory would explain why the reading on the meter goes down just as well as CURRENT theory does.

If the battery is empty, and not capable of running a motor, what happens when I connect the negative of the "dead" 12 volt battery and the negative of a small 1.5 volt battery (that I have run down) and then put my motor between the positives of the two batteries? It won't run directly off the dead 1.5 volt battery. It won't run off the dead 12 volt battery. But it WILL run between the positives of the two batteries, because the energy in the large battery that was 12 volts on one side is now six volts on EACH side in the big battery, and the difference between this six volts and the dead 1.5 volt battery is a big enough potential difference for current to run FROM ONE BATTERY TO THE OTHER, and THATS ALL IT TAKES to run the motor. It doesn't "USE UP" electricity, it runs because of the movement of current. Wanta rethink how electricity REALLY works? You SHOULD.

Let the whining begin.

[BroMikey]

https://youtu.be/VTPZ4qGDP5A

This should give you some info on rotors. Hope it helps. .

Pretty cool rotors.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, hi turion, wow, great information, thanks for sharing as always.
peace love light

[Turion]

Explanations

In my last few posts I just gave the the explanation for WHY the Matt motor is so critical to making the 3 battery system work. I explained WHY it is SO important to pulse a battery at the correct frequency. And NO COMMENTS from any of the “experts” who have “debunked” the 3 battery system by doing replications that did NOT include the Matt motor (and therefore did NOT work). You are all so willing to build it incorrectly and then give your “expert” assessment of how it can’t possibly do what I say it does. And I told you WHY it wouldn’t work (no Matt motor) but you disregarded my explanation. I hope the information on battery impedance opened some eyes.

And now I have given a theory for HOW electricity works and WHY the 3 battery system works that flies in the face of known electrical theory, and still no comments????? What’s wrong guys? Cat got your tongue? Don’t want to tell me how little I know and how WRONG I am? I’d love to hear it, because I happen to know a few folks who probably have MORE credentials than anybody here who have bothered to actually TEST this stuff instead of relying on their “expert opinion” who just might have something to say on these topics.

I would bet you a whole lot of money that they will support my position that batteries must be pulse charged at the CORRECT frequency to get the maximum CORRECT charging effect, and without it you WON’T get the extended run times we have talked about.

I bet they will also support my position that the load (motor in the 3 battery system) does NOT “consume” the energy or convert all the electricity running into it to mechanical energy. That is a FALSE assumption of modern electrical theory. The motor operates because of movement of current. That’s IT. And there ARE losses in that process because of resistance, etc, but NOWHERE NEAR what we have been taught. It’s time to wake up. What we gave you with the three battery system puts you on the road to free energy. It’s a hard, rocky road filled with potholes, but boy is it worth it.

And when you can run a Lenz delayed no magnetic drag generator on a system that gives you BACK almost ALL of the energy you put into it, how can you NIT gave a system that is COP>1

[bistander]

Comments

Please realize that I understand a battery is "DEAD" at around 12.2 volts. ...

Hi Turion,

For starters, your understanding of "DEAD" is wrong. When the OC voltage at rest measures 12.2V, the SoC is about 40%.



From: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/...tate_of_charge

As for the rest of your theories, it is the same old misunderstanding you've been preaching without proof. I don't particularly want to argue. Been there done that. I was hoping I could quietly watch while you interacted with dragon and finally demonstrated your machine with proper instruments.

Regards,

bi

[Turion]

Here we go again

bi,
You nit pick what you KNOW you can discredit, and ignore everything else that makes you look like a fool. Yes, I know a battery is not completely DEAD at 12.2, buy YOU know you should not discharge a battery below 12.2 because it is harmful to the battery. You always want to argue the little details so you can make yourself look like the expert. But it is the concept where you fall on your face.