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  • Mag Lev Pulse Motor & Stator Generator Idea

    Hello everyone. I want to run an idea past some of the more technically proficient members on here, and I hope to get some good feedback from you all. This is an open source project, so all instruction, feedback, helpful hints, and constructive criticism are all appreciated.

    I'm here because I'm an inventor at heart. I'd probably make a good industrial designer, since I have lots of ideas, but no real technical skill to fill in the gaps. I've never had any formal training of any kind, but I love to come up with new ways of making things work.

    After many hours spent on youtube, looking at wind turbines, and trying to figure out how to make my own, I stumbled across the OU community, magnetic motors, and then the mag lev pulse generator designed by skycollection. I'm sure that some of you already know who he is or what he has done. If not, I suggest you check it out.

    After seeing his design in action, I thought to myself: "what would happen if you took the same basic design, extended the shaft, and packed on a bunch of rotors to spin past another bunch of stators, secured to something outside the shaft (to reduce weight)?"

    In theory, if you could get enough torque from a pulse motor like skycollection's design, you could put one at each end of a longer shaft, add in more mag lev supports to handle the weight, stack rotors in the middle, and produce a butt-load of extra energy.
    You could potentially use several pickup coils, or a couple of the stators, to power the rodin starship coils, removing the need for an outside power source, while the rest of them went to charging a battery bank.

    At least that's the theory. It doesn't seem too implausible to me, especially after seeing skycollection's new dual core compressed starship coils with the ferrite core, which he claims has incredible torque on a 6 magnet rotor.

    If I'm way off base with this one, let me know. As I said, I've never tried this before, and everything I know about electronics, and OU generators, I've learned through blogs and youtube.

    Thanks,

    TinMan
    Last edited by TinMan2012; 03-16-2012, 04:21 PM.

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    Reference Material

    This is a crude mock up of how I envisioned the basics of the device, which I whipped up on paint to illustrate my idea.

    According to the measurements given in skycollection's video ( MAGNETIC LEVITATION BASE - YouTube ) The device has an output capable of powering a 12v led lamp with a single coil, as well as running a small motor with the dual coils on the back side.
    It looks like he's running his rodin coil with a 12v DC power source, run through a timer, operated with a hall effect sensor to produce the pulse. You can see a better representation of the effect in general here: MAG LEV STARSHIP MOTOR & HALL EFFECT SYSTEM - YouTube

    Considering the power output of the coils, by adding more, even with converting the AC to DC, adding six coils around the main rotor should produce enough DC current to power the coil without a battery source. Right? Tah-dah! Self-powered pusle generator!

    This one is of his recent test of a "compressed starship coil" that I mentioned earlier, moving a rotor at high speed (and supposedly with high torque). DC STARSHIP COIL TEST - YouTube


    Quite simply, my idea takes the basic principles of his designs and shoves some rotor plates and three phase stator assemblies on the ends. Skycollection hasn't added anything that gives a measurement of the N of force his design can produce though, so I dont know how much torque it can achieve, or how much weight the shaft could actually turn, but he seems to get consistent readings above 14k rpm.

    Hopefully this will help some people understand what I'm talking about better, and get some replies coming in. This is an open source project, so feel free to offer anything you want.

    TinMan,
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    Last edited by TinMan2012; 03-16-2012, 04:18 PM.

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    • #3
      Video explanation of propulsion system

      Here is the link to a video showing the simple circuit configuration, coil, and the rotor running, as skycollection does it.

      STARSHIP TIP107 (PROPULSION SYSTEM) - YouTube

      Anybody know how to draw a diagram for the circuit, based on what they see there?

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      • #4
        Getting started with reclaimed parts!

        So today I found three old microwaves that had been trashed. Even though their microwave emitters had already been removed (i guess there's some sort of law about throwing them out) I still got quite a bit of good stuff from them.

        I got a bunch of copper coils, a couple of bulbs, some circuit boards with all sorts of capacitors, resistors, transistors and diodes, and even one with a couple of 555 timers, a couple mosfets, and a few hall sensors on it.

        I also ripped apart an old 3/4 horsepower garbage disposal from the sink and got the stator winding out of it.

        At this point I'm only a few magnets and a battery away from having all the materials that I need to build my first prototype of this mav-lev pulse generator, and I've only had to spend just under 15 bucks for some neodymium magnets I got at a crafts store a few months back and a cheap soldering gun for around 8 bucks.

        I'm probably going to start simple with just the rotor, a rodin starship coil, and a circuit, to see if I can get it running. After I figure out how to get the pulse and the timing right, I'll add in the pickup coils and try to get it to power itself without the battery.

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        • #5
          Good luck tinman i hope you succeed in this experiment. yeah skycollection is a very talented person hopefully he will give us overunity shortly with his latest experiment. ron

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          • #6
            I like the idea too, perhaps more so because of skycollections incredibly clean builds. Also, how something like that idea of yours would look, powering away

            In your second diagram, are you going for a Faraday's Paradox/NMachine type of generator ? That would be quite the project and of high interest.

            Must mention the pick up coils in the top diagram. One thing i've noticed, from my own builds, is that levitated rotors can have a heck of a bounce at certain frequencies, if anything ferrous is in the magnetic field. I haven't the experience or indeed the finesse yet to make rock solid rotors, but am wondering about stability.
            Unloaded, without any ferrous object near the rotor, no troubles. Place a coil nearby or even sometimes just on the table and at a certain RPM the rotor can fly right off.
            At low speeds, oscillations from the core material of your coils may build to throw the rotor, or, at a point further along there may be a slight wobble that manifests as a destructive snap point, throwing the rotor away. Just a heads up really from what i've seen.
            Others will know more, i'd just say to go the heavy rotor route. It'll spin and balance just the same, but your magnets would need to be bigger of course. Can't get much bigger than microwave magnets lol, I realise that, especially if they sat on the rotor !

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            • #7
              Thanks for the feedback, Slider.

              I think that the reason for the ferrous core that skycollection uses is to increase the weight/stability of the rotor while it is in use. I plan to use the same type of heavy shaft for mine. The magnets I'm going to be using are going to have to be ceramic bar magnets, due to initial cost. After I get a working proof of concept going, I'll upgrade to neodymium bars.

              I didn't actually take any magnets from the microwaves, but I did get a lot of usable wire. I got at least 200 feet of heavier wire from the single phase stator winding inside the disposal that I took apart, as well as some 30 guage or smaller from coils I found being used for the fans inside the microwaves. Those should work pretty well for my pickup coils.

              As for bouncing, I dont think that is a problem once you get the timing down. If the coil produced a pulse while the opposing magnet was in a vertical position, it might be an issue, but I intend to pulse my coil just after the opposing magnet has passed the verticle plane, and is on it's way back up again.
              This should produce a stable force, providing smooth rotation from a point that is past 195 degrees during the rotation.

              What I really need now is a printable diagram for winding the rodin starship coil, and to figure out how to put together the circuit for the driver and collection coils. I know what parts to use, but not how to wire everything together in a physical sense. I cant even understand wiring diagrams. lol
              Right now I'm like a kid trying to learn how to play guitar by watching someone else, and who cant read the sheet music.

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              • #8
                If its of any help, google starship coil, there are a couple of vids showing the "making of"
                Also I saw in YT avideo of a very stable magnetic bearing system, which I draw and attach here
                May be in further developements it may be useful.
                good luck
                cheers
                Alvaro
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                • #9
                  That looks like a much more stable setting for the rotor's shaft, but I dont know how it would work with the Neodymium magnets. I think it would be difficult to get them mounted. If they weren't Nd, I think it would be hard to get the weight support with the ceramics.

                  As for the coil design, I actually succeeded with building my first one today! I used some of the reclaimed wire from a disposal and made a 12 pointed rodin starship with 11 windings (I wanted 17, but I only had enough wire for 11). I tried it with a 9V battery that had been in a smoke detector for a couple years, and I still got a pair of flat, round Nd magnets to spin on a string with it. lol

                  I used a template I found online. I just looked it up on google's image search. I think there's a good one on YT from hho4volts too.

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