Peg Motor

[Raui]

Why is it that most of the most beautiful concepts/designs I see on the internet some from you sir? I could never work out why more people weren't interested in this concept when you first started talking about it.

I love how you're incorporating Russell and Alchemanual too. I think you're understanding of it is better than mine and it is great to see someone applying it. Like yourself, I'm not much of a motor builder but to me all your theory is quite sound.

John,
I cannot wait to see what you have to contribute to this concept. I also think Radus was onto something by switching that magnetic flux. A while ago I thought of incorporating the Radus effect into a magnetic amplifier, I believe if designed properly this would be overunity.

Raui

[John_Bedini]

Peg Motor

Raui,
I will do my best to prove the point that this can be done.
John B

[Armagdn03]

@ Raui

Thanks for the compliment! I think most skim by my concepts because they believe they are hearsay, or just an idea im kicking around. Most of the time, I have done many proof of concept experiments, toyed with many aspects of the idea, and done my due diligence. When I share it is usually a decently well developed concept. I just do not show all my work to how I got to that point. To me it is better to place the idea before people in its simplest embodiment, so that it can be grasped through good explanation, and imagination.

@John

I look forward to seeing what you have in mind. Below I attached a simple rendering of the concept, which could be greatly simplified so that a home shop could build. (the concept I show here has a one piece core which surrounds the pegs, this would be difficult to make)

I will personal message you also.

[broli]

Design wise very similar to something I have been working on. But concept wise it's the complete opposite. That is to say that if you replaced those rotor rods with magnets you will generate electricity in the stator coils without any back torque. But the air gap plays a huge role here, the smaller it is the better.

Lafonte based torqueless generator.
Lafonte based generator.

[Armagdn03]

Very interesting Broli, I see you are building this, I would love to see how it comes together.

[erfinder]

Very interesting Broli, I see you are building this, I would love to see how it comes together.

Whats up man? Been too long...have to catch up with you again...I miss our exchanges...

The motor aspect is solid, how would "you" go about converting this into a generator.

Regards

[broli]

I froze the project. Discovered many issues with my build mainly material choice. If I was going to build a second one based on what I've learned I would use as much off the shelf parts as possible. For the next build I will probably opt for the pankcake design as you see above for it's exponentially simpler to control the air gap that way. And this time I would use a proper magnetic material like silicon steel or ferrite. Here are the last pictures I have taken of it:

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I call all these devices and their derivatives lafonte based ideas. I have a playlist here which you can see of a few similar concepts:
lafonte - YouTube

To this day what baffles me the most is how little attention these concepts have gotten in the FE community. So I really hope you'll get to build yours.

[Armagdn03]

Whats up man? Been too long...have to catch up with you again...I miss our exchanges...

The motor aspect is solid, how would "you" go about converting this into a generator.

Regards

Hello! It has been a while. We will have to talk here. If I were to make a generator based on similar line of reasoning, I would create a geometry which could change a parameter (inductance) but had NO possibility of a power stroke, meaning, that it has no "motor function", only changes parameters. This brings to mind, Chris Carson and the rotary electrostatic converter, Jim Murrray - alternator having improved efficiency etc.

One has to manage their actions and reactions. If they occupy the same spacial and time frame, they often "fight" each other. It does not have to be this way, its just how we tend to currently do things.

[dragon]

Interesting design Armegdn03... just an observation that would make manufacturing a little easier.... if you made the top and bottom plates in a triangular form which would house the coils. This would elevate the large cores on top and bottom. The triangular form was simply an example based on your drawing, it could actually be made to house as many coils as needed. I do have a CNC plasma cutter...

[Armagdn03]

I froze the project. Discovered many issues with my build mainly material choice. If I was going to build a second one based on what I've learned I would use as much off the shelf parts as possible. For the next build I will probably opt for the pankcake design as you see above for it's exponentially simpler to control the air gap that way. And this time I would use a proper magnetic material like silicon steel or ferrite. Here are the last pictures I have taken of it:

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I call all these devices and their derivatives lafonte based ideas. I have a playlist here which you can see of a few similar concepts:
lafonte - YouTube

To this day what baffles me the most is how little attention these concepts have gotten in the FE community. So I really hope you'll get to build yours.

Yes I have seen the LaFonte group do some interesting things along these lines. However I also think that this points to a basic understanding of the kinetic aspect of mind (magnetism, spherical system, female aspect). It shows that flux within space, expands to fill the limits. This is the expansive force of magnetism, which is often used only in a "contractive" way. For example, molecules within a magnetic structure may pull north to south, but the extended lines (of flux) parallel to one another always push apart from one another, perpendicular to the pole direction. This is a basic mechanism present in natural systems, and so should be looked at carefully.

[Armagdn03]

Interesting design Armegdn03... just an observation that would make manufacturing a little easier.... if you made the top and bottom plates in a triangular form which would house the coils. This would elevate the large cores on top and bottom. The triangular form was simply an example based on your drawing, it could actually be made to house as many coils as needed. I do have a CNC plasma cutter...

Good I Idea, I think I see what you are saying. A CNC plasma cutter? ohhhh now there is a fun toy. Let me mull this over a little bit here, and maybe we can come up with a simple model to start with.

[Allcanadian]

@Armagdn03
I like it

It looks like a solid design however we know mother nature usually has a way of foiling our best laid plans. When I built a similar design the first problem I encountered was that a magnetized iron core is for all intensive purposes a magnet in itself. As such when the moving core moves it induces a current (Eddy Currents) in nearby materials not unlike a Faraday disk. In your design this may be overcome by using laminate low reluctance materials such as silicon steel oriented radially around the point of rotation.

I don't like to use the terms Flux, lines of Flux nor lines of force but prefer a gradient of force or field gradient relating solely to field density. Which raises certain questions in regards to geometry, for instance I had built a similar design using an external moving magnet as a field source and the force on this magnet changed in relation to the motion of the cores as the field density in that space had changed and this change reflected back to the source -- stupid gradients, lol. One option may be to locate your magnetic source at the center of rotation which represents a position of least change then size the cores so that the field density remains equal. That is the core closest to the source is smaller than the core farthest from the source, different volume same field density. This relates to an obscure phenomena whereby parallel fields may represent a force acting outwards however the difference in field density between them acts inward, equal yet opposite.

In any case I like your design as well as the premise behind it and hopefully with a little tweaking everything will work as planned.

Regards
AC

[Peter Lindemann]

The Nature of Magnetic Repulsion

Yes I have seen the LaFonte group do some interesting things along these lines. However I also think that this points to a basic understanding of the kinetic aspect of mind (magnetism, spherical system, female aspect). It shows that flux within space, expands to fill the limits. This is the expansive force of magnetism, which is often used only in a "contractive" way. For example, molecules within a magnetic structure may pull north to south, but the extended lines (of flux) parallel to one another always push apart from one another, perpendicular to the pole direction. This is a basic mechanism present in natural systems, and so should be looked at carefully.

Armagdn03,

Congratulations! Your statement above, which I have highlighted in red, reveals the true nature of magnetic repulsion. This fundamental character of repulsion has not been appreciated by most researchers in this field. It is, however, why your Peg Motor WILL WORK, if the field strength that can be impressed into your rotor and stator rods is of sufficient strength.

The working principle is correct, even if the performance of your currently proposed design (and materials selection) turns out to be disappointing. I encourage you to continue your work along this path of discovery.

Again, excellent work!

Peter

[John_Bedini]

motor working with two magnetic loops shorted

Allcanadian,
I have never had the opportunity to talk to you about anything, but I have read some of your post on other groups, I must say what a fight. From some of the simple experiments I have done with some motors of this type I can see one thing. If you would use two coils instead of one with these pegs the outcome might be a little better. The geometry would be changed a little but the field strength would be much more. I do not like the term flux either as it may never work right out of the box. I would like to show everybody a Radus motor working with two magnetic loops here, but I'm not going to waste my time if no one is interested in how this operates, with shorted loops. Your right, gradients in magnetic force with resistance by the length of the loops. I have never showed this before.
John B

[blackchisel97]

Allcanadian,
I have never had the opportunity to talk to you about anything, but I have read some of your post on other groups, I must say what a fight. From some of the simple experiments I have done with some motors of this type I can see one thing. If you would use two coils instead of one with these pegs the outcome might be a little better. The geometry would be changed a little but the field strength would be much more. I do not like the term flux either as it may never work right out of the box. I would like to show everybody a Radus motor working with two magnetic loops here, but I'm not going to waste my time if no one is interested in how this operates, with shorted loops. Your right, gradients in magnetic force with resistance by the length of the loops. I have never showed this before.
John B

By all means, please elaborate a bit more when you have a chance.

Thank you
Vtech