Peg Motor

[Armagdn03]

@blackchisel97

Yes that would work also.

@JohnB

I would be very interested also to see what you are describing! It is very interesting to hear the history behind many ideas and concepts. I went a bit different route than most in this field, and Ignored most of the "stories" and fancy, and went straight for my own observation. Consequently, I know very little about what has been done in the past, but tend to stumble on many of the same concepts, one might say....inevitable conclusions. Thanks for sharing, interesting lesson!

@pault

Very good explanation, I like the story!

@erfinder

I see you have mentioned this several times now, let me check it out, Im sure its well worth the time!

[Armagdn03]

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik

I have been looking for these online to no avail.....anybody else have any luck? Post links?

[Turion]

Better get them quick!

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
Barnes and Noble\
BARNES & NOBLE | Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena for Electronic Engineers by Harry E. Burke, Wiley, John & Sons, Incorporated | Hardcover

The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik
Amazon.com: Nature of Magnetism: Moisei I Kaganov: Books

[blackchisel97]

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik

I have been looking for these online to no avail.....anybody else have any luck? Post links?

I was looking as well, that's what I found so far -
Amazon.ca: Used and New: Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena for Electronic Engineers

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena for Electronic Engineers: Harry E. Burke: Books | chapters.indigo.ca

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-lis...condition=used

9780442211844 - Handbook Of Magnetic Phenomena For Electronic Engineers By Harry E. Burke - Used book

Vtech

[Armagdn03]

Yea I saw them for purchase, thought maybe there was a free lunch out there somewhere, ha ha ha.

[blackchisel97]

Yea I saw them for purchase, thought maybe there was a free lunch out there somewhere, ha ha ha.

No luck so far.

[Aaron]

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena & Nature of Magnetism

You can get copies of Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena as low as $36 + shipping USD here - Amazon.com: Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena for Electronic Engineers (9780442211844): Harry E. Burke: Books

Nature of Magnetism is harder but I saw a very good condition copy for $20 + shipping at Abe - but it is hard to find other low cost copies. The Amazon one is almost $100
Amazon.com: Nature of Magnetism: Moisei I Kaganov: Books

Spanish version of Nature of Magnetism for $57 at Abe.
La Naturaleza Del Magnetismo by Kaganov: BOOK, - Nomade Store (America)

[Armagdn03]

Thanks Aaron, definitely worthwhile.

[Armagdn03]

Another very effective way to run such a device is with a flux path switching device like the "Radus" boots as was already mentioned. A person would need to have an alternate path with a little less reluctance than the path through the motor. When an energized coil increases this paths reluctance, the motor is switched into repulsion mode, as the flux re-routs itself through the path of least resistance (the motor).

This is the design I will probably build when I get the chance. It combines two very interesting concepts in one powerful demonstration.

[Armagdn03]

@John Bedini

I would like to show everybody a Radus motor working with two magnetic loops here, but I'm not going to waste my time if no one is interested in how this operates, with shorted loops.

You mentioned a Double flux path Radus design. I took the liberty of creating this when I had a moment at work today on the rendering program.

I did not make it 100% perfect, just enough to convey the idea (I only had a half hour or so). The pegs should be staggered so the upper and lower disks are out of phase with each other 180 degrees so that when the flux path changes due to the control coils (yellow) the new flux path will also be a firing point to cause rotation. Each time the flux path is changed, the pegs fire apart either on the top or bottom.

Was this along the lines of what you were thinking?

[Les_K]

Erfinder,
The Dan Quale Lenzless generator was done years ago by Ron Cole all posted on the net in the Yahoo groups files. As for My patent it is much more then the patent states. It did use Irons slugs in one of the machines as a matter of fact 8 to be exact. Sorry you toasted transistors as the switching for that is not easy to do. When I get back to work I will post one of the machines, but first the Radus Motor. So far nobody has discovered what it really is, but I did say in passing one time what it was and what could be done with it.

The geometry of the machine is important. I have worked out a design for the Peg Motor but I'm going to show it to Peter L first about how it could work at very high speed. I would suggest you read between the lines on that patent and see if you can tell me what it is and how it does not need any input energy to run. That is why it is so important to view the Radus work.

The Kromray is also a motor and that was built By Ron Cole with Iron bars, which has been in the groups for a long time. I think everybody forgets when the internet first got going where most of these motors came from and how they got changed around. Peter and I have built motors the internet has never seen. Then Peter has built machines before that nobody has ever seen. Back to work on the Peg motor.

I'm going to list two books here for you and all.

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik

The Westinghouse Documents I can not post unless I scan them in PDF.

IDEAS AND MOTORS
John B

I have this running right now with some differences. But I can say I don't know what is going on with this device. I hooked it to my pulser/comparator circuit to charge a second battery. I am using the Walmart tractor batteries one on the front and one on the back.
the results of the last few days are a puzzle.

-------------Batt B(input) Batt A(under charge)
2:55 pm 12.49 12.63
4:23 pm 12.45 12.59
5:40 pm 12.46 12.63
7:45 pm 12.47 12.67
8:45 pm 12.47 12.68
10:56 pm 12.46 12.68
Turned off for the night
9:40 am 12.62 resting 12.50
9:41 am 12.51 running 12.55
11:50 am 12.41 12.71
4:15 pm 12.43 12.88
3:05pm 12.43 12.89

Although this is a short test for what I have been doing it does show a repeating pattern. this is only pulling 130ma. But I have run this for some time now and it is always the same the input battery will rise and fall sometimes significantly. If I were to guess it is as if it is picking up energy from the surrounding environment and sending it to the input somehow roughly two hour cycles. It still drains the battery over time but it does take a long time. Longer than 130ma draw on an 230cca or about 11ah battery.

John, please explain more if you can.
Thanks
Les

[Armagdn03]

About the Radus double flux path design:

There must be a way to mechanically switch the conduction path of the magnet from upper to lower rotor. This would be very interesting as it would take very little if ANY input energy. Any thoughts on mechanical switching for this device to eliminate coils?

This already has great concepts involved in its design. It doubles the pulse rate, as each cycle of the radus style path is used, plus the expansive aspect of magnetism. I have never seen a device like this, I really like the possibilities here.

This has a pretty good chance of working well, in my opinion, what do people think about making a cumulative build on this guy? You there Dragon? lol, I know you are a machining god.

[Les_K]

Armagdn03,

I may be off here but wouldn't we be looking at something like John w. Ecklin?
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin7.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg


Les

[dragon]

About the Radus double flux path design:

There must be a way to mechanically switch the conduction path of the magnet from upper to lower rotor. This would be very interesting as it would take very little if ANY input energy. Any thoughts on mechanical switching for this device to eliminate coils?

This already has great concepts involved in its design. It doubles the pulse rate, as each cycle of the radus style path is used, plus the expansive aspect of magnetism. I have never seen a device like this, I really like the possibilities here.

This has a pretty good chance of working well, in my opinion, what do people think about making a cumulative build on this guy? You there Dragon? lol, I know you are a machining god.

Thanks for the praise Armagdn03 but your putting me much higher on the pedestal than is deserved. If you have some drawings of what you would like I'll be happy to look them over and let you know what I'm capable of accomplishing.

[Armagdn03]

Armagdn03,

I may be off here but wouldn't we be looking at something like John w. Ecklin?
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin7.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg


Les

Yes!!! Very much along the same lines as I was thinking. Here is another GREAT concept for similar result

Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor

Vibrate a ferromagnetic material ACROSS the bloch wall to change flux path for minimal motive input.

To understand the operation of the Gary Magnetic Motor, it is necessary first to comprehend thoroughly the principle underlying it --- the existence of the neutral line and the change in polarity,

By pressing the finger on the lever at D the iron is raised above the neutral line. Now let the nail be applied to the end of the induced magnet at E; it clings to it, and the point is turned inward toward the pole of the magnet directly below it, thus indicating that the induced magnet is of opposite polarity from the permanent one. Now let the iron be gradually lowered toward the magnet; the nail drops off at the neutral line, and now its point is turned outward, or away from the magnetic pole below. In this way Mr. Gary proves that the polarity of an induced magnet is changed by passing over the neutral line without coming into contact.