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  • DESOLDERING. Vapourizing lead? Learn from my mistake.

    Hello fellow experimentalists. As many of us are aware, here on the energeticforum.com, many of the experiments and lab procedures we experience come with an inherent level of risk. Abating that risk should always be first and foremost on our minds. This is a story about a day when my ignorance got the better of me.

    I recently was very careless with my own health and wanted to explain a bit about what it was that I did that was the cause of some pretty serious health concerns. As embarrassing as it is to share, I feel it more important to state the conditions that i created for myself here for others to read, that I might help prevent the same situation from occurring for others. Before i go too far in elaborating, I do wish to point out that at I am currently feeling just fine and no longer exhibit any serious maladies related to my poor procedures. However, there are some minor residual side affects present. Part of this discussion is to perhaps detail some preventative measures and treatments of heavy elements that might find their way into your bloodstream when soldering and desoldering.

    During regular use of a soldering/desoldering device and typical soft solder, we generally turn the medium into a liquid state at temperatures of 90 to 450 °C (190 to 840 °F). At this temperature it is my understanding that we may vaporize certain flux related element contained therein but we are not causing any lead that might be contained to reach a vaporized state. Lead vaporizes at 1750°C (3180°F). This is the pivotal issue that i overlooked.

    As many of us are often in search of that one passive component, or transformer, toroid, or what have you. If your like me, I often find what i'm looking for buried under huge layers of solder on some discarded component board salvaged from an electronics dump. I do like to try and be thrifty and recycle as much as possible. It has been my experience that even at 90watts some of these solder boards do not want to let loose of their encased treasures very easily. Where i've made my most grievous mistake is in using a pure hydrogen torch to desolder, having ran out of portable propane that i can carry outside. Well, there are 2 mistakes here that i recently made. The first mistake, i am hypothesizing, was the use of a hydrogen torch. Hydrogen is a very reactive gas as it is #1 on table of elements. It is hard to say how it was reacting with elemental medium contained within the solder of the board i was removing components from. Because it is so reactive, I believe that it is capable of producing elevated levels of temperature during its combustive reaction with those elements. It may be that these elevated temperatures were a contributing factor in causing the possible lead contained in the solder of aforementioned board to vaporize. However, it is possible that even a propane torch would be capable of reaching these temperatures (1750°C (3180°F))?. My second and most prominent error was the fact that because my hydrogen torch is not portable, i simply opened a window and proceeded to desolder with it indoors. BIG MISTAKE!

    I continued to spend the entire day in my lab monitoring a duration experiment and inhaled the contaminated environment for most of the day. it was around 7pm that i began to feel an irritation in my lungs which developed into a distinct heaviness over another hour or two. Feeling tired (and a little discouraged with my experimental results :P) I decided to lay down and have a nap. I woke up 2 hours later with a plugged sinus and lungs that felt like they were full of water. Choking and coughing, I blew my nose and to my alarm i saw BLOOD! Furthermore i was spitting up what also appeared to be blood from within my lungs. I nearly immediately realized what I'd done to myself and began to flush my entire house with fresh air with all the windows and doors wide open.

    Typically, i believe that the recommended procedure would be to consult a physician at this point. I have my own personal reasons for not having done so. However i did take time off from work and closely monitored my situation from home. What followed was several more days of progressively smaller quantities of blood in my sinus, however a very severe infection did set in very quickly and I was choking nightly on a copious amounts of yellow infectious mucus. I took very serious care to not ingest any of it and to spit it out into a container. The sheer volume of it all was surprising if not alarming.

    In treating the situation I took the personal choice of not taking antibiotics. This might not be what is recommended, but for me it is a choice that i prefer to take as i have post nasal drip and am accustomed to sinus infection. My preferred method of treatment is to boil up some water and mix with saline salt and snort as deeply as possible once it has cooled to a tolerable temperature. The first few time this treatment hurts like wild fire in your nostrils, but quickly subsides. The infection was immediately reduced after doing so. I would repeat twice daily for the next few days. As well extra regular visits to the shower for periods of deep inhalation of moist water vapor provided additional relief. At night i would run a humidifier as well and this, i found to help. For the chest infection, i believe much of that i was seeing was caused by nasal drip into the lungs, however most definitely not all of it. The sheer heaviness and quantities of infection i was seeing were not typical of infection exclusively in the sinus. I went to the store and purchased a large bunch of garlic as well as garlic dilled pickles. I would cook with garlic in everything, in particular a spaghetti sauce with a large variety of vegetables. I don't eat much meat so my sauce was strictly vegetarian. I was able to take some time off during this period so i was not overly concerned with dealing with the public during this heavy ingestion of garlic. Thankfully. In a period of less than one week from the initial point of contamination, I am happy to report that I had dealt with the infection entirely.

    I know that my treatment methods are not typical, and i'm not necessarily recommending them for anyone else. I'm only reporting on what my experience was here. For some my treatment of the situation might be applicable. Take it or leave it.

    With regard to detoxification of these heavy elements, well. I can only hope that I haven't done myself any real permanent damage. At the time i had already been taking a pill form of kelp for iodine as well as clorella. It is my understanding that by having a thyroid which is supplemented with iodine, you can avoid having certain elements contained within your blood stream from having as severe of an impact on your metabolism. clorella is also recommended in aiding the expulsion of heavy element from your blood stream. I do also juice on a daily basis and supplement nutritionally with about $50 per/month of vitamins and minerals. I hope that these measures did provide me with the means to prevent additional illness. In researching on the subject i did find these additional recommendations for detoxification. I realize some of this might be more appropriate on the health sub category. But the soldering issue is definitely one for this renewable energy thread.

    Any way thank you for listening to my story. Please realize, I'm not proud of the situation i caused. Now that it has happened, i have learned my lesson. I only hope that it is not wisdom acquired to late to be useful in my case. I don't believe so.

    * Milk Thistle is also known as silymarin. It helps your liver detoxify and in the process, eliminate heavy metals. Milk thistle also protects the membranes of red blood cells.

    * Chlorella is a mild chelator. Chlorella has a 3-layered cell wall that contains cellulose microfibrils, which aids in heavy metal detox. Green algae contains cholorella. You can obtain this all important nutrient in the form of a drink from juice bars or simply make one yourself.

    * Methionine is a natural occurring chelating agent that supplies sulfur in the body. It helps in heavy metal detox by increasing the production cysteine and lecithin for the liver and for good kidney health.

    * N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) increases cysteine and glutathaione production. It is also a source for sulfur. Fresh garlic is a common source of NAC. If you find it hard to eat garlic because of the pungent smell, there are also garlic supplements that you can buy.

    *Mega H increases the conductivity of the water in your body and lowers the surface tension of cell fluids. These functions help in the easy removal of toxins from your body.

    * Vitamin B6 is advised if you have undergone dental procedures or has dental fillings. It prevents the contamination of heavy metals in the body.

    * Magnesium is important for the proper functioning of your immune system and body enzymes. Great sources of magnesium are found in pumpkin, Brazil nuts, spinach and in fish like halibut.

    * Cilantro is helpful in removing heavy metals, including mercury, from your body. Cilantro aids in restoring the normal functions of body cells. You can easily sprinkle cilantro in your salads and soups.

    If any of you have additional information to share on this topic please be free to chime in.

    Once again, i know what i did was foolish. So i hope to not hear a lot of criticism.

    L&L
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  • #2
    Great tale of caution!

    If you have sinus issues, I would suggest the use of a neti pot, instead of snorting saline solution. Same thing, however one is a daily yogic practice which cleanses, and the other is a bit more brutal. They both have the same effectiveness in removing mucus, however the later method causes increased inflammatory reaction, which is detrimental to what you are trying to do!

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    • #3
      Also useful is to have a portable ultrasonic nebulizer they have become pretty cheap lately (26$ on ebay). This will allow you to get any sort of health substance directly into your lungs more easily. In your case you might also take a look at colloidal silver for your lung infection. And from here on I would suggest you OD on the heavy metals chelating agents you posted. And perhaps you should look into some sort of test or blood analysis that measures the heavy metal content in your body so you have a reference point for a later test after the therapy.
      Last edited by broli; 03-17-2012, 08:09 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Armagdn03 View Post
        Great tale of caution!

        If you have sinus issues, I would suggest the use of a neti pot, instead of snorting saline solution. Same thing, however one is a daily yogic practice which cleanses, and the other is a bit more brutal. They both have the same effectiveness in removing mucus, however the later method causes increased inflammatory reaction, which is detrimental to what you are trying to do!
        I will do. Thanks Armagdn03.
        I found this additional information on the use of Neti Pot solutions used for nasal irrigation
        <quote from wikipedia>
        While nasal irrigation can be carried out using ordinary tap water, this is NOT safe (See Warning) and additionally can be uncomfortable because it irritates the mucous membranes. Therefore an isotonic or hypertonic salt water solution is normally used, i.e. water with enough salt to match the tonicity of the body cells and blood. For the same reason, lukewarm water is preferred over cold water, which in addition to irritating nasal membranes can also exaggerate the gag reflex during irrigation. Use of distilled, sterile or previously boiled and cooled water over ordinary tap water is advised. Tap water safe for drinking is not necessarily safe for nasal irrigation due to risk of rare but fatal brain infection. A small amount of baking soda is sometimes employed as a buffering agent to adjust the pH of the irrigating solution to that of the body.

        Many pharmacies stock pre-manufactured sachets of pharmaceutical grade salt and baking soda designed to be used with the volume of water their corresponding device uses. Sometimes manufactured solutions such as a lactated Ringer's solution is used.

        Optional additives include xylitol which is claimed to draw water into the sinus regions and helps displace bacteria.[33] Xylitol is commonly used to prevent acute otitis media in Europe and dental caries in the United States,[34] but research into xylitol use in the sinus cavities is lacking. Another nasal irrigation additive is aloe extract, which helps to prevent nasal dryness.[citation needed] Sodium citrate and citric acid help not only to balance the pH, also helps to improve the sense of smell.[citation needed] As noted above, in December 2011, the Louisiana state health department reported 2 deaths from Naegleria fowleri in which the use of contaminated tap water for nasal irrigation was strongly implicated.
        <end wikipedia quote>

        Originally posted by broli View Post
        Also useful is to have a portable ultrasonic nebulizer they have become pretty cheap lately (26$ on ebay). This will allow you to get any sort of health substance directly into your lungs more easily. In your case you might also take a look at colloidal silver for your lung infection. And from here on I would suggest you OD on the heavy metals chelating agents you posted. And perhaps you should look into some sort of test or blood analysis that measures the heavy metal content in your body so you have a reference point for a later test after the therapy.
        Interesting. Had not even heard of a ultrasonic nebulizer. Thanks for that suggestion broli. I've been wanting to make my own colloidal silver for some time now and I'm going to get moving on that project now. Another product that i meant to mention that i'm currently taking for cleansing, is called UMAC-Core Marine phytoplankton (chlorella, spirulina,blue-green,red) contains several different species. I agree that my job is just beginning with regard to treating the toxicity i've allowed into my body.

        Thank you both for your input. I appreciate it very much.
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        • #5
          Good info on the lead! I dont do a lot of desoldering like this but it gave me a simple idea. A small shop vac with water in it as well as the filters. Make a portable hood and adapt the vac hose to the top of it. You could adapt a small fan or computer fans inside the hood to help matters.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Iotayodi View Post
            Good info on the lead! I dont do a lot of desoldering like this but it gave me a simple idea. A small shop vac with water in it as well as the filters. Make a portable hood and adapt the vac hose to the top of it. You could adapt a small fan or computer fans inside the hood to help matters.
            Yes Iotayodi. Being that i live in Manitoba, Canada, it is not always feasible for me to work outside as our winters are pretty long and cold typically. I have been thinking of an uptake exhaust system with flexible duct that i can literally take right over to my soldering station while i'm working.

            At this time i've suspended working on soldering and tabbing my triple bus barred 6"x6" solar cells as they require 18" of solder tabbing on the front to attach the tabs and and additional 18" of solder on the back to link them together! 36" per cell and just under 100 of them to do. I'm encapsulating them into a 4'x8' sheet of poly carbonate that i've mounted into a custom built frame, so i am forced to solder over the glass. A flexible duct would allow me to have it positioned anywhere around the workspace of the solar panel. I don't want to do any more work on this until either i have warm enough weather to do outside or the exhaust system set up in my lab. Other issue is the sylgard 184 product that i'm using to encapsulate the cell is very strong smelling (like fibreglass epox and resin) and will have a full 4'x8' of exposure to air as it cures over 8+ hours. Won't want to do that in the house either. Very concerned over inhalants now. :P

            On another note. While thinking on the subject during the writing of this post i decided i was hungry for some good garlic spaghetti sauce again. I made one with lots of vegetable and onions and of course, lots of garlic. Funny thing did occur and I found myself feeling lethargic and kinda listless afterward. Typically i'm used to feeling kinda hot and sweaty after ingesting lots of garlic. This time i gave up working in the lab for the sake of lack of concentration. I passed out very early and woke up feeling like i was almost dealing with a malady of some sort. So i started doing research on the effect of Garlic. :P

            Ok i'm starting to sound like a paranoid freak here but i found that there are some sites on the web that are promoting the idea that Garlic can pose a sort of neuro-toxic threat to our brains. While operating as a natural antibacterial and antibiotic it can also pose some other not so beneficial effects. I just wanted to mention this here since i went so far out of my way to promote the use of garlic for my sinus and lung infection. I don't want to give the impression that i would dose with it regularly with out the need to do so. So hard to know what to believe. I found this link, but like any subject on the interwebs, there are positions on both sides of the fence to consider. So don't just take my word on the issue. My instincts are telling me there could be some truth to the matter though.

            http://www.relfe.com/health_benefits_of_garlic.html
            Last edited by thedude; 03-17-2012, 07:34 PM.
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            • #7
              Thanks for posting your experience, it is an important warning for every one playing with hho torchs (including me).
              And for your health condition I would suggest you to try MMS, it will kill any infection really very fast and it is a good chealator that will help you to remove the lead and any other heavy metals in short/medium time.
              Thanks again dude.

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              • #8
                Linesman Pliers

                @The dude

                Wow, that is a real bummer but thanks for sharing. I too lived in Manitoba, just moved back to BC two years ago. Are you in the peg? I was.


                I learned a trick from a fellow experimenter. In a lot of cases, components are found on a board, and around the needed components is usually.. a whole lot of nothing. (That we needed)

                Rather than desoldering, typically, I now often take a very heavy duty pair of linesmen pliers or big heavy metal sheers and cut the area right out of the board surround the component I want. then I place "the chunk" in a vice with it being at a high point.

                It does a few things; first off desoldering is often tough due to heat dissipating everywhere and not being hot enough where you want it. Secondly, again, heat, get the heat flowing up to the component and not to surrounding areas.

                Then I usually use my large gun, 250 watts and a pump or soldering braid.

                Seems to work better.
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                • #9
                  Soldering

                  Wish you fast recovery Dude and thanks for sharing your experience.
                  Yogis have many techniques for cleansing as another guy said here. One of them power of the mind. Just be aware of your pain in your body. By awareness only mind heals the body.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by charly2 View Post
                    Thanks for posting your experience, it is an important warning for every one playing with hho torchs (including me).
                    And for your health condition I would suggest you to try MMS, it will kill any infection really very fast and it is a good chealator that will help you to remove the lead and any other heavy metals in short/medium time.
                    Thanks again dude.
                    Hi charly2. Thanks for your suggestion. I am very open minded to new products. I have to admit that i had no real prior knowledge of MMS
                    (Miracle Mineral Solution). I did some research. There are a few sites supporting its benefits.

                    However, one of the first sites to come up when i searched "Health MMS" on google was a due to being comprised of 28% sodium chlorate solution.

                    The Canadian government is siting direct health hazard in relation to the consumption of MMS and have requested that MMSsupplier.com remove all of their products from the Canadian market.

                    Now, I'm not one for just hopping on the "mainstream" band wagon. But do you, or anyone, have any counter points to site against these allegations?
                    Last edited by thedude; 03-19-2012, 07:08 PM.
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                    • #11
                      for got the link

                      Here is the link to that advisory on MMS


                      @ Kcarring. I'm not in Winnipeg now, but have lived there in the past. I'm out in the bushes just outside Brandon now. Have spent about 4 years on Vancouver Island during my wild and crazy days as a youth. I do miss the west coast for it beauty and ocean.

                      Ya i've clipped a lot of boards away in the way you mentioned. It is the right way to go. I've buggered a transformer when i wasn't careful with that method, but that was just me being careless and not going slowly and carefully enough. Your words are wisdom. Used to keep copper braid around as well. Need to order up some more with my next passive components shopping list.

                      @ Guruji. You know it! By far our most valuable healing tool is that of our own mind. I believe that our ability to influence healing through meditation is beyond remarkable. I'll let you in on the truth of my hot showers that i mentioned previously to help hydrate my sinus and lungs. The entire time that i am dowsing my head in a constant stream, i am thanking the water for its healing powers and expressing my love for its healing nature. While standing there I meditate for a period and visualize the water moving through my body and penetrating, revitalizing and empowering my cells. Might sound a little bit "out there", so to speak. But for me it works. I do bounce back very quickly. I agree with your appreciation for the minds ability to generate and healing state of being.

                      @ charly2. I hope you don't find my speculation on MMS too disagreeable. I very much value your opinion on the matter and i do not have any personal experience with this product. Thanks for your kind concern for my story as well.
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                      • #12
                        @dude - another Canadian- Maritimer here. Yes - I have managed the same thing years ago, stripping PC broads of useful parts. I was lucky to be outside, but the poison still gets in the system.

                        Fresh air and good water help, and spring - We just had 18C here yesterday.

                        C458

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                        • #13
                          @ thedude, yea I had read about how bad could be to take mms, the FDA banned it too. I had to read the Jim Humble's books to understand and get the confidence before dinking it.
                          I've drinking it once a week for almost 2 years up today, my general health is better than before. I know 9 people drinking it.
                          But almos everythig in this world in excess can be considered as poison. So if you drink more than your body can handle you are going to have a bad experience like nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea. This will hapen if is taken without the basic knowledge and and drinkin without control, yes, in that way it can be considered as dangerous.
                          The idea is not to get sick with it, it is very powerfull, so following the protocols you will avoid all bad experiences.
                          It is very good killing bacteria and fungus, but not so good with viruses.
                          Btw, it smell horrible, and can be unpleasant for most people.

                          Hope this helps

                          Charly2.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wizofid View Post
                            @dude - another Canadian- Maritimer here. Yes - I have managed the same thing years ago, stripping PC broads of useful parts. I was lucky to be outside, but the poison still gets in the system.

                            Fresh air and good water help, and spring - We just had 18C here yesterday.

                            C458
                            Heya Wiz! Really need to get out to the the East at some point soon. Heard its beautiful. Ya its no fun getting choked off by that crap. Going to avoid for certain in the future.

                            Found this little image about hunting in Canada. :P


                            Stay safe EH!


                            Originally posted by charly2 View Post
                            @ thedude, yea I had read about how bad could be to take mms, the FDA banned it too. I had to read the Jim Humble's books to understand and get the confidence before dinking it.
                            I've drinking it once a week for almost 2 years up today, my general health is better than before. I know 9 people drinking it.
                            But almos everythig in this world in excess can be considered as poison. So if you drink more than your body can handle you are going to have a bad experience like nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea. This will hapen if is taken without the basic knowledge and and drinkin without control, yes, in that way it can be considered as dangerous.
                            The idea is not to get sick with it, it is very powerfull, so following the protocols you will avoid all bad experiences.
                            It is very good killing bacteria and fungus, but not so good with viruses.
                            Btw, it smell horrible, and can be unpleasant for most people.

                            Hope this helps

                            Charly2.
                            Thanks Charly for the clarification. Your right. All things must be dealt with in moderation. Even garlic. :P Whew!

                            I appreciate your perspective on this and I am not deterred from considering MMS. I've learned to be skeptical of what is broadly pronounced by government or other regulatory agencies (FDA) by default. Too many hands shaking behind windowless walls IMO. What is considered "Quackery" by many physicians and professionals in the medical society at large can often lead to general misconceptions in public opinion. Products that serve real medical function, but are not regulatory by official agencies, like black salve or Asea, are very often lacquered with a inappropriate layer of risk. Heck, if i stayed home and drank nothing but orange juice every day for a few weeks, i'd become sick as hell too. :P

                            Thanks for your response.
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                            • #15
                              Hi Dude,
                              Garlic is also a chelator, so win-win with that one, I think.
                              Regarding the colloidal silver, I have a cs maker, but will only use the cs as a disinfectant. With due respect to others and their choices, I personally am dead against taking any colloidal metal. If someone insists, I would say at least no larger particles than ionic size (e.g., ionic silver). I think you'll find people dead against cs online for what appear to me to be solid reasons - good to do some research. Some claim that once in, it never gets out. Maybe it works for some; I just prefer to go a more natural route.

                              By way of sharing, my wife and I sent in hair samples to Analytic Research Labs in the US for mineral/heavy metal analysis. They send back a detailed report and recommended supplements based on your profile. I've been taking the supplements 3 months. Did the chlorella, cilantro, garlic and a few other things (juicing) a few years. Thought I was metal-free, but am I'm finding that the body hangs onto the heavy metals until it has ready access to the minerals that should've been there in the first place, then it dumps 'em. First month, I was pretty tired, dumping heavy metals and toxins; could taste metals in my mouth, especially coming out of the teeth (molars). Also frees up fluoride in bones. Anyway, if you're looking for something more, thought I'd share. Here's their website:
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