Jes Ascanius Radiant collector

[Guruji]

Your schematis is wrong, the ground is connected thry D2, and all power coming from the aerial will go to the ground.
wait a min.
All here are using, a germanium diodes, and 1N type
1N34A............................
GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS

Peak Inv. Voltage(PIV): 60 Volts
Max. Average Rectified Current: 50mA @ 25 deg C
Junction Temperature (TJ): 100 deg C Max.
FWD Voltage Drop(VF): 1.0V @ 5.0 mA
Reverse Current: IR 15uA @ VR 10 volts
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1N4148
IF 200ma
Vr 100v.
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And all here are using a PLATE.......WHY.
If you want a sucess "YOU NEED a WIRE"..........
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How is done..
First you need a metal plate well worked on drebong machine.
Or just use an old speaker, and remove magnet, juse just metal coil, Larger is better. Now wound a 2mm wire, to fill the all metal coil to the top, 200-500 turns, depends on coil.
Second build a pcb with elements like in picture.
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Important: Do not use a 1N34 germanium or 1N4148 diodes, coz there are a low power diodes, you can not expect good result whit them.
Use Fast or Super fast diodes with more power.
Example: BYV29SI-D 500V7.4A<50ns, or
SF3006PT SuperFastDiode400V30A 35nsTO247AD,
or BYV32 2xSI-D 200V20A/230Ap25n, use only 2 of them(2 diodes in one case).
NOW you can expect an good result with voltage and amperage without droping.
Experiment with turns, more turns of the coil=more voltage, more thick wire=more amperage
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And final when you assemble all, you do not need to climb the coil higher of the ground.
Best regards from Macedonia..

Thanks Tesla ReGen for sharing. I did not understand when you said use two diodes in one case. To which two diodes you're refering?
Do you mean the other two normal one's like 1n64?
You're using only one module?
Thanks

[Captain_Kirk]

Second build a pcb with elements like in picture.
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Best regards from Macedonia..

Okay, but what do you mean by writing C1,C2 10-50mf? Is it nanofarad?
And C3,C4 1000-3300mf? Again nanofarad or even microfarad? And what Voltage should the Capacitors have?

Is it really 2mm diameter wire or 2mm˛ ? 2mm diameter is rather thick, 100-500 turns with it would be a really fat coil. I don't anderstand how exactly the coil should be wound, can you attach a photo of the coil please? Maybe with a coin 1€ in the photo to see the scale.

A bit more details please would be nice.

Thank you.

[Farmhand]

Hi Guy's, I thought i would make a few points that I think I've picked up from
my experiments in this area.

1. A better ground is more effective.

2. The aerial plate needs to be insulated from what it is mounted to, but I'm
not sure if it should be totally electrically insulated from the air.

3. The capacitor in my opinion used should be a high quality but fairly high
voltage because as Tesla states the charged particles are charged to a high
potential.

4. I don't think the plate should have any sharp points or edges, hence the
polishing.

5. If the elevated plate is shaped so that lightning is less likely to strike it I
think it could help as in a Tesla Lightning Protector (anti lightning device), lightning protection is still needed.

Patent US1266175 - NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

6. To discharge the capacitor into the load is not so easy, the current is so
low triggering an SCR is not so easy, but it does work, using a neon or a zener
and triac or SCR.

7. The problem I see is that the ground has an AC component to it because of
the 50 Hz grid power so without a FWBR the cap is driven negative by the
ground I think. With a bigger higher plate the ground AC would not be such an
issue. But with low potentials, the ground AC can negate the plate input
because the ground AC can be in the 100's of mV range.

Basically for these thing to work well they would need to be very carefully
constructed with very low loss parts and while taking into account the
activity in the ground. The cap needs to be exposed to DC only,
the ground AC applied should be less potential than the resultant DC supplied
to the cap over the same time period. The ground is not a steady DC potential.

Applying 100 mW DC to a cap that is exposed to 200 mW PP AC will have little
effect the AC will discharge the capacitor.

Hanging the plate from non conductive support wire's will insulate the plate
from it's mounting pole apparatus ect. as well as isolate it from the ground
except for through the capacitor.

Cheers

P.S. The quicker the capacitor is charged and discharged the less losses
involved in the triggering of the switch in my opinion so smaller capacitor that
charges quicker is better.

..

[artoj]

Quad Radiation Converter

Hi All, I have added a new blog entry that would interest those on this forum thread. Regards Arto

Quad Radiation Converter | Artojh&#039;s Renderings

[askin2003]

from the forum

Askin English please
Thanks

FOR A LONG TIME I READ YOUR MESSAGES TO EACH OTHER AND NOW I WANT TO ASK:
to create this scheme should:
1 sheet of aluminum 50 * 60 cm
2 wire моножильный cross-section of not less than 4мм2
3 2 capacitor 220nF 275V AC
4 2 100nF capacitor 50V AC
5 germanium diodes or Schottky
6 ground
7 Copper pipe
UNDER Such conditions have 20-28V output
All right?

[Guruji]

FOR A LONG TIME I READ YOUR MESSAGES TO EACH OTHER AND NOW I WANT TO ASK:
to create this scheme should:
1 sheet of aluminum 50 * 60 cm
2 wire моножильный cross-section of not less than 4мм2
3 2 capacitor 220nF 275V AC
4 2 100nF capacitor 50V AC
5 germanium diodes or Schottky
6 ground
7 Copper pipe
UNDER Such conditions have 20-28V output
All right?

Ok thanks for the info. I'm still trying to fill a cap but with this setup maybe as Farmhand was saying that caps should be rated very high

[Tesla ReGen]

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[Tesla ReGen]

Објаснение

mikro farads 10-50Mf bipolar kondensator, 1000-3000Mf Mikrofarads. The coil is a antenna like colector of energy, One end of the coil is between two condensators bipolar 10-50MikroFarads, and the other end is between other two condensators 1000-3000 mikroFarads. The COIL is COLEKTOR ANTENNA.

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...FA5635463-.jpg
Use ferrite coil D 100mm
More wire is BETTER colector, and must be a ferrite core, for more signal strenght, or just use a toroidal transformer core.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...roid_coil2.jpg
And use an ultrafast diodes, for fast voltage recovery

[Guruji]

mikro farads 10-50Mf bipolar kondensator, 1000-3000Mf Mikrofarads. The coil is a antenna like colector of energy, One end of the coil is between two condensators bipolar 10-50MikroFarads, and the other end is between other two condensators 1000-3000 mikroFarads. The COIL is COLEKTOR ANTENNA.

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...FA5635463-.jpg
Use ferrite coil D 100mm
More wire is BETTER colector, and must be a ferrite core, for more signal strenght, or just use a toroidal transformer core.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...roid_coil2.jpg
And use an ultrafast diodes, for fast voltage recovery

Hi Tesla Regen you did the Jescanius circuit with that toroid as antenna?
How much voltage you're getting on the caps?
Thanks

[Tesla ReGen]

100v and 3 amp=300w,continuous power and also the output condensators must be higher than 100v. Use 1000Mf, you do not need to store energy. They are only for oscilating the ferrite core. And use superfast diodes. DO NOT USE 1N Germanium< 5ma low power.And also pay attention for the circuir drawings, it's little diffrent. I also forget to mention, to GROUND the ferrite core together with - .

[Guruji]

100v and 3 amp=300w,continuous power and also the output condensators must be higher than 100v. Use 1000Mf, you do not need to store energy. They are only for oscilating the ferrite core. And use superfast diodes. DO NOT USE 1N Germanium< 5ma low power.And also pay attention for the circuir drawings, it's little diffrent. I also forget to mention, to GROUND the ferrite core together with - .

That Tesla circuit is different. Are you using the Jes modules were M are in Tesla circuit?
Thanks

[Wistiti]

Wire wound...

Hi Tesla Regen!
Did you try to wound your ferrite bi-filar style? If so, does it improuve the energy harvesting?
Thank you for sharing!

[David H.]

need printed circuit board

Hey Guys and Jess. Does any one have any idea on where to buy the printed circuit board used by Dragan Kljajic in building his aerial energy device. I have looked everywhere I know how to and nothing. I bought the free arial energy generator plans but they just copied the plans from Jess's plans and have no clue where to buy either. At least they can't tell me. Bummer. I always wondered if the Tesla flat ciol would generate a more powerful system and can see some of you agree. That idea of making the diodes faster and more powerful seems like an even better addition. Now if someone can put the appropriate sustem of parts together so as not to fry the system and share that info would be just great. Also If you added a Tesla ciol in the mix, would that creat an even greater energy output? I would like to build the 50 unit board to check this all out but can't find the board so, if any of you have knowledge of this board please let me know. Thanks. David H.

[David H.]

Jes; I am trying to build the Dragan Kljajic circuit board with the 50 modules on circuit board but, I am having difficulty in finding the printed circuit board he used. Do you have any idea of where to buy the circuit board? Thank You David H.

[thx1138]

Insulation = Dielectric

Hi Guy's, I thought i would make a few points that I think I've picked up from my experiments in this area.

1. A better ground is more effective.
Yes. And insulating the wire from the ground plate from the surrounding soil will also help. The whole idea is to collect charge in the plate and the insulation on the connecting wire keeps the charge from equalizing with other charges in the soil.

2. The aerial plate needs to be insulated from what it is mounted to, but I'm
not sure if it should be totally electrically insulated from the air.
Yes, it should be insulated from the air. Replace the word "insulation" in Tesla's patent with "dielectric" and think of the role of a dielectric in a capacitor. The charge from the ground connection attracks opposite charges to the side of the dielectric contacting the elevated plate. The reason for the polishing is to get as good a contact as possible between the elevated plate and the dielectric. The dielectric also prevents the captured charges from neutralizing with the opposite charges in the air. The better the dielectric properties of the insulation, the better the results.

3. The capacitor in my opinion used should be a high quality but fairly high
voltage because as Tesla states the charged particles are charged to a high
potential.

4. I don't think the plate should have any sharp points or edges, hence the
polishing.
As mentioned above the purpose of the polishing is get good contact between the dielectric and the elevated plate. Totally enclosing the elevated plate in dielectric should prevent it from forming any ionization that would attrack lightning.

5. If the elevated plate is shaped so that lightning is less likely to strike it I
think it could help as in a Tesla Lightning Protector (anti lightning device), lightning protection is still needed.

Patent US1266175 - NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

I'm pretty sure Tesla's lightning protection device is to drain ions from the air to ground thus preventing the streamers forming in the first place. The Radiant energy patent is for collecting energy from charged particles that impinge on the elevated plate. Two different things. That's why the elevated radiant energy collector is insulated with a dielectric and the lightning protection device is not.

6. To discharge the capacitor into the load is not so easy, the current is so
low triggering an SCR is not so easy, but it does work, using a neon or a zener and triac or SCR.
That's the reason for the Germanium diodes in the Ascanius circuit. Look at the on/off profile of a Germanium diode. The Ascanius circuit is basically a voltage quadrupler with an AC input and a DC output that must have an AC input to work. Connecting a DC battery to the inputs of the circuit will produce no output. The charged particles impinging on the elevated plate are not constant. Dr Moray described it as waves surging in the ocean.

7. The problem I see is that the ground has an AC component to it because of the 50 Hz grid power so without a FWBR the cap is driven negative by the
ground I think. With a bigger higher plate the ground AC would not be such an issue. But with low potentials, the ground AC can negate the plate input
because the ground AC can be in the 100's of mV range.
As mentioned above, the AC component is a requirement of the circuit. It is not something to be negated.

Basically for these thing to work well they would need to be very carefully
constructed with very low loss parts and while taking into account the
activity in the ground. The cap needs to be exposed to DC only,
the ground AC applied should be less potential than the resultant DC supplied
to the cap over the same time period. The ground is not a steady DC potential.

Applying 100 mW DC to a cap that is exposed to 200 mW PP AC will have little effect the AC will discharge the capacitor.

Hanging the plate from non conductive support wire's will insulate the plate
from it's mounting pole apparatus ect. as well as isolate it from the ground
except for through the capacitor.

Cheers

P.S. The quicker the capacitor is charged and discharged the less losses
involved in the triggering of the switch in my opinion so smaller capacitor that
charges quicker is better.

..

See my comments above in bold. I had the same thoughts as your P.S. but haven't really gone into that. I do remember Dr. Tesla speaking about the relative rates of charging and discharging but he was speaking about high voltage, high frequency disruptive discharges at the time and I'm not sure that it was related to the radiant energy patent. It was in "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena" delivered before The National Electric Light Association in St. Louis in March, 1893

I did have an interesting observation recently. It was night time and I was taking a reading from the circuit. There was a weather front coming through but it hadn't got to me yet and there wasn't any rain at my location. There was a horizontal bolt of lightning that appeared to be between high clouds and the light from the bolt lit the elevated plate. When that happened my voltage reading immediately quadrupled and then slowly went back down. I didn't realise what I was seeing at the time so I didn't count the seconds until the thunder but I think it was 15 to 20 miles away because it seemed like quite some time until the thunder arrived. Doing a little research I found that lightning does emit Xrays and gamma rays which would be charged particles impinging on the plate.

BTW my elevated plate is fully encased in 3/16" high density polystyrene (not foam), all wires (#4 AWG solid copper) are insulated with heat shrink tubing, and the joints coated with a spray-on insulation to prevent leakage from the bare metal to the air. Likewise I sprayed the assembled circuit with laquer to coat all the connections between components. Right now I am using ground rods so I don't have a buried plate and insulated wire from the plate to the circuit. I did, however, use the spray-on coating on the above ground connections and that gave me a very minor improvement.

I am only 150 feet above sea level so I'm not getting very good results because the cosmic rays are giving up a lot of their energy before they get to me. I would sure like to hear the elevations people are working at when they give their readings.

Thinking about charged particles led me to thinking about radioactive materials. Keep in mind that Dr. Tesla thought that if radioactive materials could somehow be shielded from the cosmic rays they would cease to be radio active. I put together a file about this but it is too large to uplaod here so I uploaded it to a free file sharing site: